Netflix Turns Focus Back to Disc

[slick1ru2]

The writing is on the wall. NetFlix wants out of the disc rental business. They just didn't wait long enough to cut them out. Sure 800,000 sounds like a lot. But not so much when they have 23 million that stayed.

You seem confused. All I have did was clarified that you don't get what NetFlix wants to be. They don't want to be a disc rental company. They want to be an alternative to cable TV and satellite, a replacement, that is available on over 100 devices. When they no longer are renting discs, what will you do? I expect that to happen in the next 5 years.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

The writing is on the wall. NetFlix wants out of the disc rental business. They just didn't wait long enough to cut them out. Sure 800,000 sounds like a lot. But not so much when they have 23 million that stayed.

You seem confused. All I have did was clarified that you don't get what NetFlix wants to be. They don't want to be a disc rental company. They want to be an alternative to cable TV and satellite, a replacement, that is available on over 100 devices. When they no longer are renting discs, what will you do? I expect that to happen in the next 5 years.

I understand, fully, what Netflix is. You have not provided, me, any new information.
For now they fulfill all my rental needs. If they closed their doors tomorrow, I'll pursure other avenues, obviously. Just like if my favorite bookstore went out of business(no pun intended towards a recent closing), I will seek another avenue for my book interests. Ditto for a movie theatre, a department store, etc etc. This isn't really rocket science here.
Again, what point are you trying to convey? That Netflix may get out of the disc rental business? Wow, that's earth shattering news. I'll cross that bridge when/if I come to it.
Until then all this talk is pure speculation. What is fact, is the discs that keep showing up in my mailbox....and that can not be disputed.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I understand, fully, what Netflix is. You have not provided, me, any new information.
For now they fulfill all my rental needs. If they closed their doors tomorrow, I'll pursure other avenues, obviously. Just like if my favorite bookstore went out of business(no pun intended towards a recent closing), I will seek another avenue for my book interests. Ditto for a movie theatre, a department store, etc etc. This isn't really rocket science here.
Again, what point are you trying to convey? That Netflix may get out of the disc rental business? Wow, that's earth shattering news. I'll cross that bridge when/if I come to it.
Until then all this talk is pure speculation. What is fact, is the discs that keep showing up in my mailbox....and that can not be disputed.

What point are you trying to convey? That NetFlix may get out of the disc rental business yet is turning its focus to discs? Wow, that's contradictory.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

What point are you trying to convey? That NetFlix may get out of the disc rental business yet is turning its focus to discs? Wow, that's contradictory.

I'm not trying to convey any point, short of Netflix disc rental meets all my movie rental needs 100%.
Of course they may get out of the business. I would only be contradictining myself if I said: Netflix would never (and/or) definitely get out of the disc rental business.
Again, what is you want me to say? "Yes I totally embrace streaming as the wave of the future"?
Sorry, not anytime soon. Even if my hand is forced(and I don't think that will happen anytime soon) I've got numerous options.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

NetFlix didn't turn its focus back to disc at all. The title is completely wrong and misleading. If they did that, they would have boosted the amount of titles they offer in Blu-ray and add more copies of popular moves. They have done neither. All they did was didn't split it off into a separate company. But they did keep the two separate when it comes to services, so eventually it will be easier when they drop discs or sell it off.

And don't flatter yourself. I don't feel the need to sell you anything.

You should check the link in the first post of this thread.

"Netflix chief content officer Ted Sarandos — who credits disc for helping Netflix make its foray into streaming — says the subscription rental service plans to turn its focus back to physical distribution"

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

You should check the link in the first post of this thread.

"Netflix chief content officer Ted Sarandos — who credits disc for helping Netflix make its foray into streaming — says the subscription rental service plans to turn its focus back to physical distribution"

Sure he did. To keep subscribers. So what?

Here is what the CEO Reed Hastings just said,

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...top-rival.html

Half of home-video viewing will come through the Internet as soon as 2016, aided by expanding fiber-optic networks that can carry the data and more Web-enabled TVs, Hastings said.

“The industry is very motivated around this concept of smart TVs,” Hastings said.

Smart TVs don't have Blu-ray players. They have wi-fi so they can connect to NetFlix's streaming app.

“We’re not putting a lot of time and energy” into the declining DVD business, Hastings said.

To keep users and restart growth, Netflix is adding to its streaming library.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Sure he did. To keep subscribers. So what?

Here is what the CEO Reed Hastings just said,

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...top-rival.html




Smart TVs don't have Blu-ray players. They have wi-fi so they can connect to NetFlix's streaming app.

Ok, so now you're speculating on what Reed Hastings is speculating on what might happen by 2016.
I could just as easily post all the "blu-ray is expanding" "3D is taking off" media posts, but again what's the point? As of right now it's all speculation!
Streaming guy will like his streaming, disc guy will like his discs.
Everything else is just pure speculation. Unless, of course, you're able to predict the future!
If so, please be sure to PM me a list of all NFL/NHL/MLB/BCS championship winners so I can place my bets now!

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Ok, so now you're speculating on what Reed Hastings is speculating on what might happen by 2016.
I could just as easily post all the "blu-ray is expanding" "3D is taking off" media posts, but again what's the point? As of right now it's all speculation!
Streaming guy will like his streaming, disc guy will like his discs.
Everything else is just pure speculation. Unless, of course, you're able to predict the future!
If so, please be sure to PM me a list of all NFL/NHL/MLB/BCS championship winners so I can place my bets now!

Lets go back to the name of the thread. Clearly, the CEO said NetFlix is "not putting a lot of time and energy” into the declining DVD business". Anyone who gets they are turning their focus to discs out of that is deluded.


And how many posts do you have to reiterate the same thing? Do you have to have the last word or something? Shouldn't you be watching a blu-ray? Did your disc not arrive in the mail today?

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Lets go back to the name of the thread. Clearly, the CEO said NetFlix is "not putting a lot of time and energy” into the declining DVD business". Anyone who gets they are turning their focus to discs out of that is deluded.


And how many posts do you have to reiterate the same thing? Do you have to have the last word or something? Shouldn't you be watching a blu-ray? Did your disc not arrive in the mail today?

I could, easily, say the same thing!
Furthermore as an avid streamer(as you appear to be), why would you care 1 iota about what happens to Netflix and their physical media?
I've already stated my position as a pro-physical media guy, that's why I'm subscribed to this thread. I can't fathom why you'd want to spend time here?
Who says I'm not watching a great Netflix delivered blu-ray as I type? I can multi-task. You seem to be backpeddling now...your posts, at this point, can only delvove to the point of comparing Netlfix to Hitler & the Nazi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Sure he did. To keep subscribers. So what?

Here is what the CEO Reed Hastings just said,

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-1...top-rival.html




Smart TVs don't have Blu-ray players. They have wi-fi so they can connect to NetFlix's streaming app.

Blu-ray players connected to the Smart tvs have wi-fi and both of my players have a netflix app. I ignore it. More and more people are ignoring it every day. I have 15 redboxes within 3 miles. As soon as a blu-ray is released, I can rent it. I just finished watching Friends with Benefits for 32 cents. Free movie rental. Vudu has better quality audio and video than Netflix. There is a 99 cent movie daily, and 3D. I don't need Netflix.

Subscribers are leaving (that includes me) and investors have dumped the stock based on Hastings recent moves. http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/NFLX:US/chart

Streaming will not replace physical media in the foreseeable future. The content owners and ISP cappers will see to that. Verizon and Redbox may have a deal soon. Netflix has nothing but more and more competition to look forward to and a continuation of the shrinking revenues they have been experiencing lately. When the dust settles, all they will have left to offer will be ancient and obscure content that they can acquire cheaply. You are welcome to it. I have moved on.

[slick1ru2]

First off. Again. Per the CEO. NetFlix is concentrating on STREAMING, not the declining disc market. This thread title has it backwards. Why do you think there is a drastic increase in smart TVs with streaming apps? Money NetFlix puts out to buy physical discs could be used to pay for streaming rights, no brainer. I see a movie streamed that I like enough, I buy the Blu-ray. Or more often, I sign up for notification of release since the title I watched in HD on NetFlix isn't even available on Blu-ray.

All the alternatives mentioned to NetFlix cost much, much more and have fewer titles. The per movie model dates back to VHS. They also suffer from the same pricing backlashes. Redbox had a 20 cent price increase in October for DVDs and there was uproar over that. NetFlix has rights to stream over 50,000 titles. The only close competitor, that many titles for that low a price, is Amazon Prime. They only have about 10,000 titles in their library. If I watched Redbox or Vudu or any other service as much as we do NetFlix, it wouldn't cost $8 a month, it would be hundreds of dollars a month. As for NetFlix subs, they are expected to start rising again over the next year, especially as they move into the UK. Go to facebook. 200,000 users a month of the app there alone. This isn't the first time they lost subs and recovered then too.

http://money.msn.com/saving-money-ti...4c448&ucsort=1

As for caps, not all ISPs have them and when they start to interfere with commerce, like they did in Canada, I expect the government to step in. In Canada, the regulatory agency told the backbones they needed to base price on bandwidth, not caps. This was after their government told the agency to do something about caps, or they would. The expense in networks isn't the amount of data sent, its the size of the pipeline needed for the speed they support. They were talking half the price I pay for twice the speed going by that criteria.

[slick1ru2]

First off. Again. Per the CEO. NetFlix is concentrating on STREAMING, not the declining disc market. This thread title has it backwards. Why do you think there is a drastic increase in smart TVs with streaming apps? Money NetFlix puts out to buy physical discs could be used to pay for streaming rights, no brainer. I see a movie streamed that I like enough, I buy the Blu-ray. Or more often, I sign up for notification of release since the title I watched in HD on NetFlix isn't even available on Blu-ray.

All the alternatives mentioned to NetFlix cost much, much more and have fewer titles. The per movie model dates back to VHS. They also suffer from the same pricing backlashes. Redbox had a 20 cent price increase in October for DVDs and there was uproar over that. NetFlix has rights to stream over 50,000 titles. The only close competitor, that many titles for that low a price, is Amazon Prime. They only have about 10,000 titles in their library. If I watched Redbox or Vudu or any other service as much as we do NetFlix, it wouldn't cost $8 a month, it would be hundreds of dollars a month. As for NetFlix subs, they are expected to start rising again over the next year, especially as they move into the UK. Go to facebook. 200,000 users a month of the app there alone. This isn't the first time they lost subs and recovered then too.

http://money.msn.com/saving-money-ti...4c448&ucsort=1

As for caps, not all ISPs have them and when they start to interfere with commerce, like they did in Canada, I expect the government to step in. In Canada, the regulatory agency told the backbones they needed to base price on bandwidth, not caps. This was after their government told the agency to do something about caps, or they would. The expense in networks isn't the amount of data sent, its the size of the pipeline needed for the speed they support. They were talking half the price I pay for twice the speed going by that criteria.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

First off. Again. Per the CEO. NetFlix is concentrating on STREAMING, not the declining disc market. This thread title has it backwards. Why do you think there is a drastic increase in smart TVs with streaming apps? Money NetFlix puts out to buy physical discs could be used to pay for streaming rights, no brainer. I see a movie streamed that I like enough, I buy the Blu-ray. Or more often, I sign up for notification of release since the title I watched in HD on NetFlix isn't even available on Blu-ray.

All the alternatives mentioned to NetFlix cost much, much more and have fewer titles. The per movie model dates back to VHS. They also suffer from the same pricing backlashes. Redbox had a 20 cent price increase in October for DVDs and there was uproar over that. NetFlix has rights to stream over 50,000 titles. The only close competitor, that many titles for that low a price, is Amazon Prime. They only have about 10,000 titles in their library. If I watched Redbox or Vudu or any other service as much as we do NetFlix, it wouldn't cost $8 a month, it would be hundreds of dollars a month. As for NetFlix subs, they are expected to start rising again over the next year, especially as they move into the UK. Go to facebook. 200,000 users a month of the app there alone. This isn't the first time they lost subs and recovered then too.

http://money.msn.com/saving-money-ti...4c448&ucsort=1

As for caps, not all ISPs have them and when they start to interfere with commerce, like they did in Canada, I expect the government to step in. In Canada, the regulatory agency told the backbones they needed to base price on bandwidth, not caps. This was after their government told the agency to do something about caps, or they would. The expense in networks isn't the amount of data sent, its the size of the pipeline needed for the speed they support. They were talking half the price I pay for twice the speed going by that criteria.

Speculation.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

First off. Again. Per the CEO. NetFlix is concentrating on STREAMING, not the declining disc market. This thread title has it backwards. Why do you think there is a drastic increase in smart TVs with streaming apps? Money NetFlix puts out to buy physical discs could be used to pay for streaming rights, no brainer. I see a movie streamed that I like enough, I buy the Blu-ray. Or more often, I sign up for notification of release since the title I watched in HD on NetFlix isn't even available on Blu-ray.

All the alternatives mentioned to NetFlix cost much, much more and have fewer titles. The per movie model dates back to VHS. They also suffer from the same pricing backlashes. Redbox had a 20 cent price increase in October for DVDs and there was uproar over that. NetFlix has rights to stream over 50,000 titles. The only close competitor, that many titles for that low a price, is Amazon Prime. They only have about 10,000 titles in their library. If I watched Redbox or Vudu or any other service as much as we do NetFlix, it wouldn't cost $8 a month, it would be hundreds of dollars a month. As for NetFlix subs, they are expected to start rising again over the next year, especially as they move into the UK. Go to facebook. 200,000 users a month of the app there alone. This isn't the first time they lost subs and recovered then too.

http://money.msn.com/saving-money-ti...4c448&ucsort=1

As for caps, not all ISPs have them and when they start to interfere with commerce, like they did in Canada, I expect the government to step in. In Canada, the regulatory agency told the backbones they needed to base price on bandwidth, not caps. This was after their government told the agency to do something about caps, or they would. The expense in networks isn't the amount of data sent, its the size of the pipeline needed for the speed they support. They were talking half the price I pay for twice the speed going by that criteria.

And also speculation. Talk about wanting to have the last word....gheesh!

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

First off. Again. Per the CEO. NetFlix is concentrating on STREAMING, not the declining disc market. This thread title has it backwards. Why do you think there is a drastic increase in smart TVs with streaming apps? Money NetFlix puts out to buy physical discs could be used to pay for streaming rights, no brainer. I see a movie streamed that I like enough, I buy the Blu-ray. Or more often, I sign up for notification of release since the title I watched in HD on NetFlix isn't even available on Blu-ray.

All the alternatives mentioned to NetFlix cost much, much more and have fewer titles. The per movie model dates back to VHS. They also suffer from the same pricing backlashes. Redbox had a 20 cent price increase in October for DVDs and there was uproar over that. NetFlix has rights to stream over 50,000 titles. The only close competitor, that many titles for that low a price, is Amazon Prime. They only have about 10,000 titles in their library. If I watched Redbox or Vudu or any other service as much as we do NetFlix, it wouldn't cost $8 a month, it would be hundreds of dollars a month. As for NetFlix subs, they are expected to start rising again over the next year, especially as they move into the UK. Go to facebook. 200,000 users a month of the app there alone. This isn't the first time they lost subs and recovered then too.

http://money.msn.com/saving-money-ti...4c448&ucsort=1

As for caps, not all ISPs have them and when they start to interfere with commerce, like they did in Canada, I expect the government to step in. In Canada, the regulatory agency told the backbones they needed to base price on bandwidth, not caps. This was after their government told the agency to do something about caps, or they would. The expense in networks isn't the amount of data sent, its the size of the pipeline needed for the speed they support. They were talking half the price I pay for twice the speed going by that criteria.

The thread title is the title of the article in Home Media Magazine i.e. the link in the first post.

The 20 cent increase in the DVD rental cost at Redbox is of no consequence to me. I don't purchase or rent DVDs from Redbox or anyone else. I rent blu-rays. There has been no increase in the rental cost of blu-rays at Redbox.

What will or will not happen to ISP caps in the future is speculation. I have ATT Uverse 24 Mbps. I have a cap. That is reality.

I am so happy to be rid of the frustration of endless queue delays, mail delays, lost and damaged disks and the 28 day wait for a selection to show up for rental.

The next time I get a "please come back" email from Netflix, they are getting the spam filter. Any company that loses $12 Billion in market value in about 5 months is a loser.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

The thread title is the title of the article in Home Media Magazine i.e. the link in the first post.

The 20 cent increase in the DVD rental cost at Redbox is of no consequence to me. I don't purchase or rent DVDs from Redbox or anyone else. I rent blu-rays. There has been no increase in the rental cost of blu-rays at Redbox.

What will or will not happen to ISP caps in the future is speculation. I have ATT Uverse 24 Mbps. I have a cap. That is reality.

I am so happy to be rid of the frustration of endless queue delays, mail delays, lost and damaged disks and the 28 day wait for a selection to show up for rental.

The next time I get a "please come back" email from Netflix, they are getting the spam filter. Any company that loses $12 Billion in market value in about 5 months is a loser.

That is because, as quoted by the CEO, they aren't spending much time and effort on that part of the business. They are spending it on the part that got them more subs than Comcast. Streaming.

Market value fluxes all the time. Microsoft lost more than that and is still here. Many companies have lost in this crap economy, on the stock market. Netflix will easily get back 800k in subs, easily. You do know they are starting service in the UK next year???

[The_Donster]

Sorry Slick, but you are starting to sound as bad as SD. Only you are on the opposite side of the coin. As much as I enjoy streaming, it is just one of the mediums I use to watch movies and shows these days. But I also watch BD's through them too. Both services feel my needs, which is why I'm such a advocate of them. Not because one service is better than the other.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Sorry Slick, but you are starting to sound as bad as SD. Only you are on the opposite side of the coin. As much as I enjoy streaming, it is just one of the mediums I use to watch movies and shows these days. But I also watch BD's through them too. Both services feel my needs, which is why I'm such a advocate of them. Not because one service is better than the other.

Owning over 200 BD (and counting), 1000+ DVDs, 4.5 TB of DVR'd HD movies, HBO GO, ESPN 3, Speed2, Crackle, NetFlix, Hulu Plus, Dish Online, Amazon Prime, EpixHD on computer, XBox 360, DVR, Roku and iPhone, I'd say I don't favor one over the other. That being said, I don't need every movie on BD. When I find one I will watch more than once, want to check the extras out, I buy it. And sometimes, gasp, its on DVD, because the title isn't on BD and most likely never will.

My last purchase, this week, was a DVD. Doubt it will ever be on BD and its not streaming. So I bought it.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Owning over 200 BD (and counting), 1000+ DVDs, 4.5 TB of DVR'd HD movies, HBO GO, ESPN 3, Speed2, Crackle, NetFlix, Hulu Plus, Dish Online, Amazon Prime, EpixHD on computer, XBox 360, DVR, Roku and iPhone, I'd say I don't favor one over the other. That being said, I don't need every movie on BD. When I find one I will watch more than once, want to check the extras out, I buy it. And sometimes, gasp, its on DVD, because the title isn't on BD and most likely never will.

My last purchase, this week, was a DVD. Doubt it will ever be on BD and its not streaming. So I bought it.

And that's sound logic! I, too, think along the same lines about what goes into my purchasing of a BD vs. renting it. Bascailly I've upgraded about 90% of my dvd collection to BD, which is why I have more. But to each their own, as with so many option available it's a win/win for everyone(i think).
Earlier, you just took this stance like it was bad to rent discs as opposed to stream. If people spend thousands of dollars on the HT setup, they(for the most part) don't want to settle for dvd or streaming when the BD is available....and there's nothing really wrong with that line of thinking either.
Some people like the color blue, some people like the color red....some people like to dine out, some people like to dine in.
The current state of affairs in today's home media market does not demand that we make kneejerk decisions about our viewing preferences. That's just the way it is, and I'm great with it!

[raygendreau]

How much longer will Hastings survive at the helm?

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily...161015122.html