Netflix Turns Focus Back to Disc

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Considering how much of a control freak you appear to be it's a little surprising you can't refrain yourself from posting. Which btw fits the bill of being also a troll. And if you check I wasn't the one initially calling him a troll.

No, I haven't been a troll at all, I'm just not letting you get away with spreading blatant misinformation that you stubornly refuse to acknowledge as such.

I'm aware of the posts on the previous page. I read them long before you replied. Perhaps others habe their reasons for feeling that way about Steedeel. None the less, you calling him a troll brings new meaning to the pot calling the kettle black. You may want to go back and read the posts talking about your troll-like behavior, including your tendency to do exactly what you did today, which is misrepresent statistics to mean something other than what they are actually meant to represent when it helps your argument.

If you were more willing to admit to these errors and not just stubornly stick with them and deflect them, perhaps people wouldn't view you in this manner.

[slick1ru2]

http://www.webpronews.com/digital-en...ecline-2014-01

Anecdotally it’s clear that streaming media is the future of content consumption. Netflix was a pioneer in this sense, co-opting its own DVD-by-mail business model with a streaming service several years before the technology was perfected. Most physical copies of movies now come with digital version unlock codes.

Now hard data has emerged showing that digital entertainment sales are growing while all types of disc-based media are seeing declining sales.

The Wall Street Journal today reported on data released by Digital Entertainment Group showing that digital movie sales increased to nearly $1.2 billion during 2013 – a 47% increase from digital sales in 2012. Subscription streaming service revenue also grew over 30% to hit $3.1 billion, while video-on-demand sales increased slightly to just over $2.1 billion.

At the same time, sales of DVDs and Blu-rays are dropping quickly. DVD and Blu-ray sales slipped 8% in 2013, though the category remains large with $7.78 billion in revenue last year. Disc subscription rental revenue dropped nearly 20% last year to only $1.02 billion and store DVD/Blu-ray rental revenue dropped 14% to just $1.04 billion. Even kiosk rental sales (such as those from Redbox) are dropping, with the category down 1% to $1.92 billion in 2013.

While these sales numbers are certainly a sign of the times, the Journal also sees them as the outcome of studios and other content providers pushing digital media more aggressively. The report cites the fact that digital versions of movies are now often released weeks before disc-based versions. Studio executives cited by the journal believe much of the sales increase comes from consumers who would have rented a movie, but instead opt for an early digital purchase.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

No, I haven't been a troll at all, I'm just not letting you get away with spreading blatant misinformation that you stubornly refuse to acknowledge as such.

I'm aware of the posts on the previous page. I read them long before you replied. Perhaps others habe their reasons for feeling that way about Steedeel. None the less, you calling him a troll brings new meaning to the pot calling the kettle black. You may want to go back and read the posts talking about your troll-like behavior, including your tendency to do exactly what you did today, which is misrepresent statistics to mean something other than what they are actually meant to represent when it helps your argument.

If you were more willing to admit to these errors and not just stubornly stick with them and deflect them, perhaps people wouldn't view you in this manner.

I'm not taking credit for a poorly written article, sorry. And I quoted it in my post. The first paragraph is talking Netflix and streaming media and most would assume that is what the story is about, digital media. Even you said you had to assume what it meant. So why don't stop acting like you are obsessed? It's creepy.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1289

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I'm not taking credit for a poorly written article, sorry. And I quoted it in my post. The first paragraph is talking Netflix and streaming media and most would assume that is what the story is about, digital media. Even you said you had to assume what it meant. So why don't stop acting like you are obsessed? It's creepy.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1289

You're creepy.

The particular piece of data, while oddly placed in an article about streaming, speaks for itself. At least we can agree that it was poorly written. Still, you took it to mean that streaming... not all forms of digital distribution, but streaming specifically (it is what you stated) made up for 60% of media revenue, while the actual stat has nothing to do with streaming. Even with 'trends' being what they are, anyone with any shred of common sense should have known to question that before taking it as a hard, accurate, pro-streaming statistic.

I intend for this to be my last post regarding this particular article and piece of data, so long as no other replies in this thread give cause for me to rehash it. At least you finally addressed it to some extent without arbitrarily deflecting to something else.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

It always comes back to life the same way doesn't it Rick, with Slick wanting so hard to stick it to physical media and it's supporters, prematurely posting up articles before he has properly read them, making himself look like a fool every time due to his lack of comprehension skills. The sad thing is, his bias causes him to only focus on sections that he thinks prove him right, ignoring other important key words or points (or misinterprets the meanings of certain words altogether), but in his mind he honestly doesn't think he misread the articles he posts. There is no point in even responding to him. Anyone who is pro streaming that wants to be taken seriously in these sorts of debates, would be best to distance themselves far from Slick if they value their credibility.

Oh yes indeed! A shame a few bad apples ruin it for the rest.
So I just follow this thread to get a good laugh...because it's Laugh Out Loud funny!
Just think by this time next year, according to some, streaming will account for 150,000% of the HV market. Which reminds me of this:

60% of the time, it works every time.... - YouTube

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Oh yes indeed! A shame a few bad apples ruin it for the rest.
So I just follow this thread to get a good laugh...because it's Laugh Out Loud funny!
Just think by this time next year, according to some, streaming will account for 150,000% of the HV market. Which reminds me of this:

60% of the time, it works every time.... - YouTube

You do realize you are trolling, right?

[Tok]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

You do realize you are trolling, right?

Just curious slick, do you happen to have a player with the HD DVD logo on it?

Your posts remind me of some red-ants that drank so much of the red KoolAid FUD that when HD DVD died, they were all proclaiming BD would be dead by 2010 because streaming was the future.

The reality is disc sales are still going to make up the majority of sales for a long period of time. Did you see that Disney sold 3.2 million discs during Frozen's release week? Now that title was available early for a cloud copy wasn't it? I didn't hear any press releases proclaiming huge numbers for cloud copies. Streaming/cloud delivery while growing isn't the home run yet that some are trying to proclaim.

Again I think that streaming/cloud services are counting digital copy codes that are included with discs as a sale when redeemed.

I don't mind cloud as a secondary option, but there's no way in hell I am paying even $10 for a movie when its a cloud only copy.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Tok

Just curious slick, do you happen to have a player with the HD DVD logo on it?

Your posts remind me of some red-ants that drank so much of the red KoolAid FUD that when HD DVD died, they were all proclaiming BD would be dead by 2010 because streaming was the future.

The reality is disc sales are still going to make up the majority of sales for a long period of time. Did you see that Disney sold 3.2 million discs during Frozen's release week? Now that title was available early for a cloud copy wasn't it? I didn't hear any press releases proclaiming huge numbers for cloud copies. Streaming/cloud delivery while growing isn't the home run yet that some are trying to proclaim.

Again I think that streaming/cloud services are counting digital copy codes that are included with discs as a sale when redeemed.

I don't mind cloud as a secondary option, but there's no way in hell I am paying even $10 for a movie when its a cloud only copy.

I had a PS3 in 2007 and when I bought a laptop later that year I got a Toshiba which had an HD-DVD player. I wasn't proclaiming anything. I'm a technology early adaptor. My first HD TV was a Hitachi Ultravision 57S700 RPTV, 57" 1080i, before 1080p was available 10 years ago. That was 6 HDTVs back. I had an up conversion DVD player back when they were a couple hundred dollars and before Blu-ray or HD-DVD existed. I had Voom HD satellite AND DirecTV because Voom had the most HD, like over 20 channels, and Direct had only like 5. http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-revi...57s700-review/. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voom_HD_Networks

I own hundreds of Blu-rays, I like the format, I have 5 players (3 PS3s and two laptops). But I find myself streaming more than playing Blu-rays, often titles not even on BD.

It's pretty clear in that article that pre-release streaming sales are growing rapidly. I got an email tonight about the newest Paranormal Activity movie being available as a download two weeks before it's out on BD. I will just wait to see it on EpixHD or afterward when it's on Netflix, which is also growing in leaps and bounds.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

You do realize you are trolling, right?

That's all you ever do in this thread, so I figured why not.
Of you ~200 posts, how many actually discuss Netflix turning focus back to disc rental(oddly enough the topic of this thread)? I'll venture a guess little, to none. You only talk about streaming.
That's like going into the Criterion thread and only talking about Twilight Time releases.
That's like going into the Star Wars thread and only talking about Star Trek.


"You do realize you are trolling, right?" Priceless.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by rickah88

That's all you ever do in this thread, so I figured why not.
Of you ~200 posts, how many actually discuss Netflix turning focus back to disc rental(oddly enough the topic of this thread)? I'll venture a guess little, to none. You only talk about streaming.
That's like going into the Criterion thread and only talking about Twilight Time releases.
That's like going into the Star Wars thread and only talking about Star Trek.


"You do realize you are trolling, right?" Priceless.

The only focus Netflix has on discs is cost cutting like last year when they closed 20% of the distrubution centers. And that's because fewer and fewer people rent discs while more and more stream. Redbox and Netflix rentals and disc subs are both declining. In essence, the customer has turned it's back on disc rentals and subscriptions.

[slick1ru2]

At the end of 2011, the year this thread started, Netflix had 11.1 million disc plan subscribers. At the end of 2013, 6.9 million. That's ~2 million a year leaving.

http://files.shareholder.com/downloa...formation.xlsx

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Oh yes indeed! A shame a few bad apples ruin it for the rest.
So I just follow this thread to get a good laugh...because it's Laugh Out Loud funny!
Just think by this time next year, according to some, streaming will account for 150,000% of the HV market. Which reminds me of this:

60% of the time, it works every time.... - YouTube

The irony of this post is not lost on me.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by rickah88

That's all you ever do in this thread, so I figured why not.
Of you ~200 posts, how many actually discuss Netflix turning focus back to disc rental(oddly enough the topic of this thread)? I'll venture a guess little, to none. You only talk about streaming.
That's like going into the Criterion thread and only talking about Twilight Time releases.
That's like going into the Star Wars thread and only talking about Star Trek.


"You do realize you are trolling, right?" Priceless.

For once I agree with Slick. King of the (IMO) offensive smilies has a go at other people (well me, mostly) despite (IMO) making things far more personal than I EVER do. It's always about the tech with me nothing else.

Oh and Slick, I think we both know who the king of the trolls is and it ain't no Hobbit actor!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

No, I haven't been a troll at all, I'm just not letting you get away with spreading blatant misinformation that you stubornly refuse to acknowledge as such.

I'm aware of the posts on the previous page. I read them long before you replied. Perhaps others habe their reasons for feeling that way about Steedeel. None the less, you calling him a troll brings new meaning to the pot calling the kettle black. You may want to go back and read the posts talking about your troll-like behavior, including your tendency to do exactly what you did today, which is misrepresent statistics to mean something other than what they are actually meant to represent when it helps your argument.

If you were more willing to admit to these errors and not just stubornly stick with them and deflect them, perhaps people wouldn't view you in this manner.

In my opinion, it's just a handful of people who have a major beef with me (my opinion). Unlike them though, I won't reduce myself to calling out names as that's just the lowest of the low in my honest opinion. Yes, I am very passionate about bluray but I am no troll and I take massive offence at being referred to as one. Again, just my opinion and I could be wrong but I think there is a little baiting going on with the sole intention of getting me banned. Just my opinion but that's like playground stuff.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=12911

This wasn't what I read but you get the idea and it's on this fantastic website to boot!

That says Bluray up 10%. Your comment which I replied to specifically said 'disc sales'. You even said it in a second comment: " You do know I am talking dvd and bluray sales just to be clear?"

The numbers you use come from here:
https://technology.ihs.com/484422/uk...lised-for-2013

Spending on physical video fell 6.8% in the UK.

Bluray sales increased but growth is slowing and the increased revenue is not enough to compensate for falling DVD sales. The overall trend is that physical media is on the decline. Check the UK figures for 2012, 2011, 2010 etc. The conclusion is logical and inevitable. We are coming to the end of the physical media era.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by vargo

That says Bluray up 10%. Your comment which I replied to specifically said 'disc sales'. You even said it in a second comment: " You do know I am talking dvd and bluray sales just to be clear?"

The numbers you use come from here:
https://technology.ihs.com/484422/uk...lised-for-2013

Spending on physical video fell 6.8% in the UK.

Bluray sales increased but growth is slowing and the increased revenue is not enough to compensate for falling DVD sales. The overall trend is that physical media is on the decline. Check the UK figures for 2012, 2011, 2010 etc. The conclusion is logical and inevitable. We are coming to the end of the physical media era.

Dvd has been fine despite peaking in 2006, what makes you think bluray is ending anytime soon?

Yes for some reason I had dvd sales in my head as well. My bad, I hold my hands up to that one.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Dvd has been fine despite peaking in 2006, what makes you think bluray is ending anytime soon?

Yes for some reason I had dvd sales in my head as well. My bad, I hold my hands up to that one.

DVD is not 'fine'. You must have no business experience if you think that falling revenues year after year are just 'fine'. Nobody in Hollywood looks at the figures and goes 'oh yeah, that's fine. I didn't want those billions of $ anyway'.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

The only focus Netflix has on discs is cost cutting like last year when they closed 20% of the distrubution centers. And that's because fewer and fewer people rent discs while more and more stream. Redbox and Netflix rentals and disc subs are both declining. In essence, the customer has turned it's back on disc rentals and subscriptions.

*ahem* Frozen, physical disc sales record *ahem*
Blah blah blah...I've heard the death of physical media for a few formats now, yet there it is, chugging away. Of course streaming is growing, like any new toy people are having fun with it.
Talk to me in 20 years, and lets see what's what.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by vargo

DVD is not 'fine'. You must have no business experience if you think that falling revenues year after year are just 'fine'. Nobody in Hollywood looks at the figures and goes 'oh yeah, that's fine. I didn't want those billions of $ anyway'.

I am not talking financially. I am talking of the ability to buy a dvd. My point is, even if bluray peaks this year (or flatlines) the ability to purchase a bluray will still remain for many years.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I am not talking financially. I am talking of the ability to buy a dvd. My point is, even if bluray peaks this year (or flatlines) the ability to purchase a bluray will still remain for many years.

I don't disagree. If there is a revenue stream they will take it, however small.