Netflix Turns Focus Back to Disc

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I'm not comcerned. I just stopped paying $145/month to Dish. And do you mean studios like Sony with their FREE streaming service Crackle, or Warner Bros and their niche Instant Archive which I mentioned and was laughed at as appealing to hardly anyone? If Disney will sign with Dish, and Paramount/Lionsgate/MGM (Epix) along with Weinstein, I'm not too worried about studios starting their own services. Studios seem to be very cost conscious. I don't see too many being tolerant of the amount of losses they'd incur starting up an all encompassing library that can compete with Netflix.

You are sounding like one of the above referenced jealous HD-DVD groupies just wishing ill will on something you don't like.

I'm just talking down to your level, in that, for years, you've babbled on about disc demise, and streaming will prevail. You don't seem to accept that they can coexist...and have coexisted. Everything else you post/quote is just speculative.
If/when Netflix moves away from the disc rental business, there's a very good chance someone else will move it to take it over. Too much money not to do so....and that's where we are for the foreseeable future.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

At the current rate of decline in customers, Netflix disc subs will cease by 2017. At some point it won't be cost effective anymore.

Great come back and post in 2017, and we all can see what's what.
Until then streamie's can stream, and collectors can collect.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

By the time you adjust H.265 will be the standard and quality will be much less of a concern.

Actually H.265 will make it easier to squeeze more content into the available BW. Just because it allows for better quality doesn't mean they'll use it for that purpose. It's all about as squeezing as much into the pipe as possible. Until people realize they are being shorted on the quality end and complain we are stuck with less than the best quality. It's the same reason why the OTA channels on HD cable are lower quality than the original signal OTA channels.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by rickah88

I'm just talking down to your level, in that, for years, you've babbled on about disc demise, and streaming will prevail. You don't seem to accept that they can coexist...and have coexisted. Everything else you post/quote is just speculative.
If/when Netflix moves away from the disc rental business, there's a very good chance someone else will move it to take it over. Too much money not to do so....and that's where we are for the foreseeable future.

Are you a Blockbuster exec? You don't get it. I am talking trends. Customers enmass are making the choice, no matter what I post. What exec in their right mind would look at losing 2 million customers a year as a business opportunity?

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Are you a Blockbuster exec? You don't get it. I am talking trends. Customers enmass are making the choice, no matter what I post. What exec in their right mind would look at losing 2 million customers a year as a business opportunity?

Right, streaming is a new, shiny, toy. If you know anything about trends, you'll know that interest will peak and fall...just like anything else we purchase for pleasure.
As I said, post back here in 2017...that's your "official" death date of media rentals. We'll see how correct you are/were.

In the meanwhile everything else is just all speculation, plain & simple.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

By the time you adjust H.265 will be the standard and quality will be much less of a concern.

I hope you are right, I really do.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Are you a Blockbuster exec? You don't get it. I am talking trends. Customers enmass are making the choice, no matter what I post. What exec in their right mind would look at losing 2 million customers a year as a business opportunity?

Netflix is losing disc customers largely through their own choice. If they marketed it and supported at the level they do streaming, sub erosion would far less. Furthermore they don't get new releases right away like they used to, so that has had an effect on subs. So it's not just about consumers moving away from disc because they like streaming better, but rather also because the disc program has become crippled through their own indifference and the (window) conditions imposed by the studios.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

The decline of physical media has been fairly constant over the last 6 years or so. Well before streaming came along, and even before the Great Recession. It's been brought about by simple market saturation, as people realized that they have been overbuying and have cut back.

No, it has been brought about by the internet.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Tok

Actually H.265 will make it easier to squeeze more content into the available BW. Just because it allows for better quality doesn't mean they'll use it for that purpose. It's all about as squeezing as much into the pipe as possible. Until people realize they are being shorted on the quality end and complain we are stuck with less than the he's quality. It's the same reason why the OTA channels on HD cable are lower quality than the original signal OTA channels.

Sigh. Read the Netflix technical blogs. They are interested in the best quality they can deliver at a streaming rate most customers can connect as well as higher quality levels for those with better bandwidth. As for putting more content on a Blu-ray, so? That content can be streamed. Netflix is starting to stream disc extras. If you are talking better quality on a Blu-ray Disc you are getting into an area of diminished returns and marketing hype where the equipment in the vast majority of homes wouldn't show a PQ difference the masses would even notice. I am not saying there isn't a market, but it's not going to be anywhere near the majority that are going to be buying 4k or beyond unless they eventually come way down in price across the board and replace the existing 1080p displays like they did the first HDTVs in 1080i.

[rickah88]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Netflix is losing disc customers largely through their own choice. If they marketed it and supported at the level they do streaming, sub erosion would far less. Furthermore they don't get new releases right away like they used to, so that has had an effect on subs. So it's not just about consumers moving away from disc because they like streaming better, but rather also because the disc program has become crippled through their own indifference and the (window) conditions imposed by the studios.

Exactly! Which is why someone taking over the disc rental business, could be quite profitable, if some actually...ya know...cared about it.
Disc rental created Netflix, and over the last few years(ever since the biggest backfiring decision in the history of the planet), Netflix treats it like the proverbial red-headed stepchild. Yet it still keeps plugging away.
Now if new life/money/studio deals were injected into it...the possibilities are staggering.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Right, streaming is a new, shiny, toy. If you know anything about trends, you'll know that interest will peak and fall...just like anything else we purchase for pleasure.
As I said, post back here in 2017...that's your "official" death date of media rentals. We'll see how correct you are/were.

In the meanwhile everything else is just all speculation, plain & simple.

exactly. as we've said many times, you are going to EXPECT certain losses when something competitive enters the market. as something shiny starts a new rise it's going to cannibalize the other's "mountain"... soon enough streaming will hit it's plataue and start it's tapering down too.

plus, as has been mentioned before, DVD was on the downswing of the bell curve before streaming was even a viable concept. it's called saturation. DVD was the BIGGEST BOOM in home video history. it was an artificial peak that couldn't be sustained. it's actually VERY natural for it to fall down to more manageable levels...

I'm honestly surprised slick hasn't been mod smacked for his obvious trolling

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Netflix is losing disc customers largely through their own choice. If they marketed it and supported at the level they do streaming, sub erosion would far less. Furthermore they don't get new releases right away like they used to, so that has had an effect on subs. So it's not just about consumers moving away from disc because they like streaming better, but rather also because the disc program has become crippled through their own indifference and the (window) conditions imposed by the studios.

LOL, so what you are saying is Netflix HASN'T turned it's focus back to disc??????


Hilarious.

[vargo]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Right, streaming is a new, shiny, toy. If you know anything about trends, you'll know that interest will peak and fall...just like anything else we purchase for pleasure.
As I said, post back here in 2017...that's your "official" death date of media rentals. We'll see how correct you are/were.

In the meanwhile everything else is just all speculation, plain & simple.

Do you similarly think that electricity was a shiny new toy? That people had a bit of fun with electric lightbulbs and then got bored and everyone went back to gas lamps?

Or running water vs walking to a well with a bucket? Do you think that running water was a passing fad?

The internet is not a shiny toy or a passing fad. It is here to stay and it will grow in penetration, speed and capacity every year. Digital distribution is replacing physical media as a way of getting 1s and 0s into consumers homes. It's not a passing fad.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by wormraper

exactly. as we've said many times, you are going to EXPECT certain losses when something competitive enters the market. as something shiny starts a new rise it's going to cannibalize the other's "mountain"... soon enough streaming will hit it's plataue and start it's tapering down too.

plus, as has been mentioned before, DVD was on the downswing of the bell curve before streaming was even a viable concept. it's called saturation. DVD was the BIGGEST BOOM in home video history. it was an artificial peak that couldn't be sustained. it's actually VERY natural for it to fall down to more manageable levels...

I'm honestly surprised slick hasn't been mod smacked for his obvious trolling

The original post is a troll post because as others here have come to realize and the loss of subs bears out, NETFLIX NEVER TURNED ITS FOCUS TO DISCS. it's a total lie. All I have done for 3 years is point it out as millions of their customers have left or switched from disc to streaming.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by rickah88

Right, streaming is a new, shiny, toy. If you know anything about trends, you'll know that interest will peak and fall...just like anything else we purchase for pleasure.
As I said, post back here in 2017...that's your "official" death date of media rentals. We'll see how correct you are/were.

In the meanwhile everything else is just all speculation, plain & simple.

, this is exactly what I was getting at in my previous post. I commend you for trying mate, but I think we both know you are talking to a brick wall where Slick is concerned

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

LOL, so what you are saying is Netflix HASN'T turned it's focus back to disc??????


Hilarious.

They never have turned the focus back to disc. But I don't see what's so funny about it.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

They never have turned the focus back to disc. But I don't see what's so funny about it.

What's funny is everyone knows it yet I am being blasted for having the stones to say it. I mean yeah, it's not good for those into it but it wasn't me causing it, I was just pointing it out. For pointing out the original post is false, I am labeled a troll? For pointing it out all kind of insults hurled at me. The truth is the truth. I'll never be afraid of pointing it out.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Here is a stat for folks that don’t have Netflix streaming or Amazon Prime (I have both and Blu-ray 3 at a time by mail). Type something into Netflix search, like John Wayne or Clint Eastwood, you will get a lot of hits, the problem, VERY few will have a Blue PLAY button (meaning available for streaming) most have a Red SAVE button (meaning disc). You get similar results at Amazon except instead of SAVE its RENT or PURCHASE.

The facts is this, SVOD does not offer that many newer titles or more valuable catalog titles PERIOD

The last time I looked Netflix streaming was 80% TV/20% movies and other content. My personal Netflix streaming is more like 95% TV which is viewed on a 32" LCD. Not about to waste expensive projector lamp time on steaming.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Here is a stat for folks that don’t have Netflix streaming or Amazon Prime (I have both and Blu-ray 3 at a time by mail). Type something into Netflix search, like John Wayne or Clint Eastwood, you will get a lot of hits, the problem, VERY few will have a Blue PLAY button (meaning available for streaming) most have a Red SAVE button (meaning disc). You get similar results at Amazon except instead of SAVE its RENT or PURCHASE.

The facts is this, SVOD does not offer that many newer titles or more valuable catalog titles PERIOD

The last time I looked Netflix streaming was 80% TV/20% movies and other content. My personal Netflix streaming is more like 95% TV which is viewed on a 32" LCD. Not about to waste expensive projector lamp time on steaming.

http://instantwatcher.com/

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

They never have turned the focus back to disc.

I agree, IMO, Erik should have used something like, “Netflix Ups Attention Paid to the Disc Business”.