Netflix Turns Focus Back to Disc

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

I get 10 Clint Eastwood titles on Prime Eligible but it is the same problem, only 4 of those are Clint Eastwood movies with the 5th being a travel title.

I stand by my comment that A titles are sparse on SVOD and as long as the SVOD service is cheap then A titles will remain sparse. I believe you are about the second person that has argued otherwise.

FWIW for those with Amazon Prime, we will see a $20.00 per year increase with our anniversary date (when your sub renews).

What do you expect for $7.99 a month. Your comment totally ignored the price point and looks naive.

And Amazon Prime isn't just movies. Amazon Prime has been the same price for years and initially, before there even was streaming, was just free second day shipping on all orders. They later added streaming and then later books. And they never raised the price when they did so. Experts say that the modest price increase, less than $2/month, is not going to lead to a lot of people dropping.

You seem to be upset for the sake of being upset. NetFlix and Amazon are practically free and offer 10s of thousands of titles, including A list movies. No one in their right mind would think for the price you aren't getting your money's worth. When I was working it took about 10 minutes a month to play for my NetFlix account. And the return was enormous. Amazon Prime is 9 years old, added thousands of books and movies and NEVER had a price increase until now. You should maybe find a statement to stand by that actually has merit. How many things do you know of that are so cheap yet include so much? For the price of one Blu-ray you have unlimited access to what, 55,000 movies? In HD and some even in 3D. Including popular movies like The Avengers. And you are complaining? SMH

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Until they can eventually charge more for 4k feeds. We know it's coming.

Also, what if a single person just wants a HD feed to watch on their big tv. That tier system seems to omit that type of customer. One feed SD and one feed HD would have been better.

I don't need 4K and most won't either. So let them put that on another tier. You do get how petty you sound right? We are talking under $10, in 2014. If this was the 80s when $10 was a lot of money, people were hoping they made $10 hour, it would almost be a big deal. Today we are talking chump change. Try and tell me something that is better value in entertainment. Aren't move tickets more expensive today than a month of NetFlix? Your argument sounds like its coming from a homeless person or someone in elementary school with an allowance to whom $10 is a vast sum of money vs the amount spent on a couple designer coffees at Starbucks.

Are you poor?

[rickah88]

It's funny when a streamie feels the need to defend his position to the nth degree.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

I don't need 4K and most won't either. So let them put that on another tier. You do get how petty you sound right? We are talking under $10, in 2014. If this was the 80s when $10 was a lot of money, people were hoping they made $10 hour, it would almost be a big deal. Today we are talking chump change. Try and tell me something that is better value in entertainment. Aren't move tickets more expensive today than a month of NetFlix? Your argument sounds like its coming from a homeless person or someone in elementary school with an allowance to whom $10 is a vast sum of money vs the amount spent on a couple designer coffees at Starbucks.

Are you poor?

First of all, my point has completely gone over your head. What I am saying is why do Netflix restrict a single feed to SD when there are people out there who have no interest in mobile, tablets etc.. They maybe just want one feed to their big tv in the living room but they have no option but to opt for the double feed because that is HD and the single feed is not? It's principle nothing else.

Secondly, IMO, your reply couldn't be more ignorant if you tried. To address your question, no, I am not poor. I am fortunate enough to have paid for my own apartment complete with spacious room and a lovely view. I am a single man with some disposable income. I have no kids so I don't have that expense, it's just me. I have well over 600 blurays and most of the latest tech such as iPad mini, PS4 etc..

Finally, what would you have said if I stated I was poor. There are many poor people out there , who have a family and struggle to keep things on an even keel. Every penny is important to those people. Are they inferior in your eyes?

P.s I think a £15 bluray is far better value than Netflix but value is in the eye of the beholder. Just because you accept second best doesn't mean everyone has to.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by rickah88

It's funny when a streamie feels the need to defend his position to the nth degree.

IMO, Slick has shown he has a reading comprehension problem so it is a waste of time responding to his post.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by wormraper

lol, it gets a bit daunting at times. right now I'm using the blu-ray.com database.. I used to have movie collector but ever since they upgraded to the latest versions where you can't use IMDB or DVDempire I've stopped... I'm thinking about switching to DVD profiler though.

One feature that the newer versions of Movie Collector have that I like is the ability to put your collection on the web and on a iPad. Have not had a chance to use very much but I believe it can access IMDB.

If you switch to DVD Profiler let us know how you like it.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

One feature that the newer versions of Movie Collector have that I like is the ability to put your collection on the web and on a iPad. Have not had a chance to use very much but I believe it can access IMDB.

If you switch to DVD Profiler let us know how you like it.

I only have 600 blurays but I have never felt the need to database my movies. I just grab what I fancy and I'm good to go. I have enough faith in the reliability of bluray not to worry about back ups etc..

[Wendell R. Breland]

Even more stats:

• For UHD material there is the Sony FMP-X1. Download only for rentals and ownership. Works ONLY in the US and ONLY with certain Sony 4K models. LG, Samsung, Panasonic, etc. 4K owners need not apply.
• REDRAY and Odemax seem to be non starters.
• Can not find a single person using a Nuvola NP 1.
• Kaleidescape is the only service that claims to offer the same quality as a Blu-ray disc (including lossless audio). Purchased titles must be played on Kaleidescape hardware. No rentals.
• Blu-ray disc and Kaleidescape* is the ONLY way to get frame packed 3D (full resolution).
• NO streaming service offers lossless audio or frame packed 3D (full resolution). Most offer SbS or ToB 3D (half H or V resolution).
• Only VUDU offers titles with 7.1 audio and after 2 years only has about 15 titles with 7.1 in DD+.
• Many 2.35 movie titles on Netflix are cropped and zoomed or using a anamorphic transfer intended for a DVD. Many have 2 channel audio even tho the movie was done in 5.1 or 7.1. Amazon and VUDU has similar deficiencies to some of their titles.

Bottom line: for the best in 1080, Blu-ray disc and Kaleidescape is the only game in town. As of now Sony appears to be the only way to get UHD content and it is a very limited selection.

*Not 100% on this. Will have to ask Kaleidescape.

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Even more stats:

• For UHD material there is the Sony FMP-X1. Download only for rentals and ownership. Works ONLY in the US and ONLY with certain Sony 4K models. LG, Samsung, Panasonic, etc. 4K owners need not apply.
• REDRAY and Odemax seem to be non starters.
• Can not find a single person using a Nuvola NP 1.
• Kaleidescape is the only service that claims to offer the same quality as a Blu-ray disc (including lossless audio). Purchased titles must be played on Kaleidescape hardware. No rentals.
• Blu-ray disc and Kaleidescape* is the ONLY way to get frame packed 3D (full resolution).
• NO streaming service offers lossless audio or frame packed 3D (full resolution). Most offer SbS or ToB 3D (half H or V resolution).
• Only VUDU offers titles with 7.1 audio and after 2 years only has about 15 titles with 7.1 in DD+.
• Many 2.35 movie titles on Netflix are cropped and zoomed or using a anamorphic transfer intended for a DVD. Many have 2 channel audio even tho the movie was done in 5.1 or 7.1. Amazon and VUDU has similar deficiencies to some of their titles.

Bottom line: for the best in 1080, Blu-ray disc and Kaleidescape is the only game in town. As of now Sony appears to be the only way to get UHD content and it is a very limited selection.

*Not 100% on this. Will have to ask Kaleidescape.

These are all great points. Although I have a $7.99 Netflix account for rooms with TVs only, I go BD only in my Theater Room. I have looked into Kaleidescape, but the price point is so high, the cost/value ratio is too bad for me. When someone figures out how to rip BDs (bit for bit) to a hard drive and give it access to every device on the network, I'll get off of my rear, open the BD case and place the BD into my BD player.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I only have 600 blurays but I have never felt the need to database my movies.

Understood . For me, its that Type A that I have and can not rid myself of it . Back in the 80's I always showed up at the βeta or LaserDisc rental store with a list of desired titles. The list was printed on a 2.5 inch thermal paper printer. I remember how exciting it was to get a relatively inexpensive (<$300.00) 80 charter pin printer. Never saw another rental patron with a printed list.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Understood . For me, its that Type A that I have and can not rid myself of it . Back in the 80's I always showed up at the βeta or LaserDisc rental store with a list of desired titles. The list was printed on a 2.5 inch thermal paper printer. I remember how exciting it was to get a relatively inexpensive (<$300.00) 80 charter pin printer. Never saw another rental patron with a printed list.

Well, I get that completely! I remember myself as an excited, giddy kid going to the video store and scanning all the covers in anticipation of the Saturday night movie! Managed to bribe my sister (I was 7)into renting out Halloween and that was it! A lifelong love of film and the horror genre especially! I was a VHS guy just like I picked the right side with bluray as well. Lucky on both counts I guess!

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

First of all, my point has completely gone over your head. What I am saying is why do Netflix restrict a single feed to SD when there are people out there who have no interest in mobile, tablets etc.. They maybe just want one feed to their big tv in the living room but they have no option but to opt for the double feed because that is HD and the single feed is not? It's principle nothing else.

Secondly, IMO, your reply couldn't be more ignorant if you tried. To address your question, no, I am not poor. I am fortunate enough to have paid for my own apartment complete with spacious room and a lovely view. I am a single man with some disposable income. I have no kids so I don't have that expense, it's just me. I have well over 600 blurays and most of the latest tech such as iPad mini, PS4 etc..

Finally, what would you have said if I stated I was poor. There are many poor people out there , who have a family and struggle to keep things on an even keel. Every penny is important to those people. Are they inferior in your eyes?

P.s I think a £15 bluray is far better value than Netflix but value is in the eye of the beholder. Just because you accept second best doesn't mean everyone has to.

You're a piece of work. First off, NetFlix is £5.99 a month. Second, THEY GIVE YOU A SECOND FEED FOR FREE. In your case, I can see about the concern of being single because who could live with you? Seriously, you'd drive anyone batty. The question about you being poor is because you act like NetFlix owes you a £2.99 single HD feed. I mean, no one on the planet is complaining about getting something EXTRA included in the price but you.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

IMO, Slick has shown he has a reading comprehension problem so it is a waste of time responding to his post.

That's rich coming from you two.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

You're a piece of work. First off, NetFlix is £5.99 a month. Second, THEY GIVE YOU A SECOND FEED FOR FREE. In your case, I can see about the concern of being single because who could live with you? Seriously, you'd drive anyone batty. The question about you being poor is because you act like NetFlix owes you a £2.99 single HD feed. I mean, no one on the planet is complaining about getting something EXTRA included in the price but you.

Where did I say it wasn't £5.99 I was merely indicating that a £15 bluray is better value to me. What don't you comprehend? I don't care if netflix is 1 dollar. Do you see what I am trying to say yet? The value IS the quality for me!

Next, you talked about an extra feed. Maybe for existing customers but the new tiers indicate one SD feed at a very small decrease from the regular streaming that exists now. Let's say I decided to sign up for netflix tomorrow (or whenever the new tiers are put into place). Say, I want the cheapest option, a single feed to my big screen tv? Where is my HD option for that? I have to buy the two feeds to get HD is that correct? The price is irrelevant. It's the fact that a single feed doesn't include the HD for NEW customers

Finally, let's not get personal Slick. By all means hammer me for my quality preference but let's keep it civil.

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

One feature that the newer versions of Movie Collector have that I like is the ability to put your collection on the web and on a iPad. Have not had a chance to use very much but I believe it can access IMDB.

If you switch to DVD Profiler let us know how you like it.

I actually prefer the feel of Movie collector, it's why I've stuck with it for so long but I HATE their proprietary database. it's much nicer with dvdempire attached, but they took that away. I'm just too cheap to switch over right now lol, but I DO like having a physical, printable database that I can back up for insurance purposes

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I only have 600 blurays but I have never felt the need to database my movies. I just grab what I fancy and I'm good to go. I have enough faith in the reliability of bluray not to worry about back ups etc..

when you have over 2400 blu-rays you need a database otherwise double buying would happen often lol

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by wormraper

I actually prefer the feel of Movie collector, it's why I've stuck with it for so long but I HATE their proprietary database. it's much nicer with dvdempire attached, but they took that away. I'm just too cheap to switch over right now lol, but I DO like having a physical, printable database that I can back up for insurance purposes



when you have over 2400 blu-rays you need a database otherwise double buying would happen often lol

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Originally Posted by wormraper

when you have over 2400 blu-rays you need a database otherwise double buying would happen often lol

Tell me about it I doubled & tripled dipped without even knowing it tell much later. Luckily Amazon lets you know if you purchased it or not & when if your logged in if not I would be in more trouble.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I was a VHS guy just like I picked the right side with bluray as well.

Actually I had βeta Hi-Fi (Sony SL2710 and SL-HF900) for recordings and rentals. Acquired a VHS Hi-Fi for rentals. Still have a JVC HM–DH5U D-VHS D-Theater to play a few titles that have not made it to Blu-ray. Another very exciting era, a machine that could play movies in HD and record HD content. 40GB hard drives were in the $130 to $150 range so a $7.00 tape made archiving HD a reality.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Actually I had βeta Hi-Fi (Sony SL2710 and SL-HF900) for recordings and rentals. Acquired a VHS Hi-Fi for rentals. Still have a JVC HM–DH5U D-VHS D-Theater to play a few titles that have not made it to Blu-ray. Another very exciting era, a machine that could play movies in HD and record HD content. 40GB hard drives were in the $130 to $150 range so a $7.00 tape made archiving HD a reality.

Yes I remember the hype about those back in the day. I went the laserdisc route but abandoned it when dvd came along. Wish I had kept it for nostalgia now.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Where did I say it wasn't £5.99 I was merely indicating that a £15 bluray is better value to me. What don't you comprehend? I don't care if netflix is 1 dollar. Do you see what I am trying to say yet? The value IS the quality for me!

Next, you talked about an extra feed. Maybe for existing customers but the new tiers indicate one SD feed at a very small decrease from the regular streaming that exists now. Let's say I decided to sign up for netflix tomorrow (or whenever the new tiers are put into place). Say, I want the cheapest option, a single feed to my big screen tv? Where is my HD option for that? I have to buy the two feeds to get HD is that correct? The price is irrelevant. It's the fact that a single feed doesn't include the HD for NEW customers

Finally, let's not get personal Slick. By all means hammer me for my quality preference but let's keep it civil.

Apples and oranges.

And since you like free so much seems like Amazon may come out with a free streaming plan like Hulu or Crackle when they announce their new streaming device next month.

Your responses are so left field sometimes I am trying to figure out your demographics. Comparing the value of a streaming video service to 1 physical disc that costs 3x the price just seems to have no place in the discussion. I mean, basically you are saying there is more value in a one disc a month Netfliix plan that costs 3x the price of all you can streaming plan where you have access to tens of thousands of titles is blizzare. And no way it would survive as a business. They'd only have you for a customer.