Netflix Turns Focus Back to Disc

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Apples and oranges.

And since you like free so much seems like Amazon may come out with a free streaming plan like Hulu or Crackle when they announce their new streaming device next month.

Your responses are so left field sometimes I am trying to figure out your demographics. Comparing the value of a streaming video service to 1 physical disc that costs 3x the price just seems to have no place in the discussion. I mean, basically you are saying there is more value in a one disc a month Netfliix plan that costs 3x the price of all you can streaming plan where you have access to tens of thousands of titles is blizzare. And no way it would survive as a business. They'd only have you for a customer.

Who is this person that likes free? 60 blurays per year ain't free sunshine

The Amazon free service is a non starter IMO.

Finally you still don't get the value thing do you? I give up. Have a nice life.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Comparing the value of a streaming video service to 1 physical disc that costs 3x the price just seems to have no place in the discussion. I mean, basically you are saying there is more value in a one disc a month Netfliix plan that costs 3x the price of all you can streaming plan where you have access to tens of thousands of titles is blizzare. And no way it would survive as a business. They'd only have you for a customer.

Just about the only Blu-ray movies that cost 3x a monthly Netflix subscription are new releases, and those aren't available on the service nor probably will be for up to 2 years after it debuts on physical. I agree that Netflix is a great value but lets keep in mind that the only movies that they carry are the ones that have made that rounds on physical and have been put out to pasture.

Blu-ray is a great value as well for those who can appreciate the huge jump in quality of presentation, language/sub options, special features, and the freedom of knowing that it's yours. And of course for those new releases that costs 3x as much, well you get to watch it 2 years sooner than you can on Netflix and that's worth something to a lot of people.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Who is this person that likes free? 60 blurays per year ain't free sunshine

The Amazon free service is a non starter IMO.

Finally you still don't get the value thing do you? I give up. Have a nice life.

I am hardly the only one who thinks the value of access across virtually all online devices to thousands of first ran movies from Paramount Pictures, MGM, Lions Gate Entertainment (through an output deal with Epix), along with back-catalog films from Time Warner, Universal Pictures, Sony Pictures, Paramount Pictures, MGM, Lions Gate Entertainment, 20th Century Fox, Disney, and other distributors and back-catalog TV programs distributed by NBC Universal, 20th Century Fox, Sony Pictures, Disney-ABC Domestic Television, with select shows from Warner Bros. as well as "pay TV window" deals with Relativity Media, FilmDistrict, and Open Road Films all for 1/3 the price is greater than one Blu-ray movie. And while we are talking value. IF NetFlix charged the same amount as that one Blue-ray per month it would still not only be a better value as is, but as it would be with better content because of increased revenues to spend on streaming rights.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Just about the only Blu-ray movies that cost 3x a monthly Netflix subscription are new releases, and those aren't available on the service nor probably will be for up to 2 years after it debuts on physical. I agree that Netflix is a great value but lets keep in mind that the only movies that they carry are the ones that have made that rounds on physical and have been put out to pasture.

Blu-ray is a great value as well for those who can appreciate the huge jump in quality of presentation, language/sub options, special features, and the freedom of knowing that it's yours. And of course for those new releases that costs 3x as much, well you get to watch it 2 years sooner than you can on Netflix and that's worth something to a lot of people.

That was his figure, not mine.

And they get Epix titles pretty fast and before pay TV. That means all the Averngers movies are on NetFlix before HBO, Showtime etc.. Hardly 2 years sooner, they have 2013 and 2014 titles on Netflix now. I think some of you are just going on old perceptions that are very outdated.

Bling Ring
Spring Breakers
Only God Forgives
Black Fish
The Iceman
Jobs
The Big Wedding
Turbo
etc are on NetFlix and if you use a VPN the number of new movies is larger, like Netflix Canada has Taken 2, Mexico has The Butler, etc.. There are lots of new movies and TV shows on Netflix. They get content 45 days after its on Epix. I expect the new Thor movie for instance late Spring or early Summer.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

That was his figure, not mine.

And they get Epix titles pretty fast and before pay TV. That means all the Averngers movies are on NetFlix before HBO, Showtime etc.. Hardly 2 years sooner, they have 2013 and 2014 titles on Netflix now. I think some of you are just going on old perceptions that are very outdated.

Bling Ring
Spring Breakers
Only God Forgives
Black Fish
The Iceman
Jobs
The Big Wedding
Turbo
etc are on NetFlix and if you use a VPN the number of new movies is larger, like Netflix Canada has Taken 2, Mexico has The Butler, etc.. There are lots of new movies and TV shows on Netflix. They get content 45 days after its on Epix. I expect the new Thor movie for instance late Spring or early Summer.

Ok, let me explain, one last time to prevent other members getting dragged into this.

Bluray picture quality with superb surround sound £15 = superb value for money

Streaming picture quality (good but nowhere near bluray) plus very decent surround sound £5.99 = good value for money for people who don't care as much for quality and just want to see the movie

Myself (someone who loves quality and has a projector) struggles to tolerate artefacts especially background break up.

The value is in the eye of the beholder. Streaming quality is nowhere near bluray levels on a projector therefore where is the value for me?

Some will see value in a chromebook. Many won't and only see value in a macbook etc.. That was the point I was making.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

That was his figure, not mine.

And they get Epix titles pretty fast and before pay TV. That means all the Averngers movies are on NetFlix before HBO, Showtime etc.. Hardly 2 years sooner, they have 2013 and 2014 titles on Netflix now. I think some of you are just going on old perceptions that are very outdated.

Bling Ring
Spring Breakers
Only God Forgives
Black Fish
The Iceman
Jobs
The Big Wedding
Turbo
etc are on NetFlix and if you use a VPN the number of new movies is larger, like Netflix Canada has Taken 2, Mexico has The Butler, etc.. There are lots of new movies and TV shows on Netflix. They get content 45 days after its on Epix. I expect the new Thor movie for instance late Spring or early Summer.

Of course they're going to get crap movies that did poorly at the box office earlier. That list above contains such movies (although Blackfish is a good doc, it only did $2 million at the box office), all mediocre.

I am surprised though that they got Turbo that early. They must have paid a fortune for it. But they have been known to pay a lot for a title they can advertise to new customers so that they sign on. But anyway it's just one popular title that's been released within the last six months on home video.

Show me some popular movies (that kind that sold well on Blu-ray and did well at the box office) that were released on Blu-ray in 2013 and are available on Netflix.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ok, let me explain, one last time to prevent other members getting dragged into this.

Bluray picture quality with superb surround sound £15 = superb value for money

Streaming picture quality (good but nowhere near bluray) plus very decent surround sound £5.99 = good value for money for people who don't care as much for quality and just want to see the movie

Myself (someone who loves quality and has a projector) struggles to tolerate artefacts especially background break up.

The value is in the eye of the beholder. Streaming quality is nowhere near bluray levels on a projector therefore where is the value for me?

Some will see value in a chromebook. Many won't and only see value in a macbook etc.. That was the point I was making.

No one is saying Blu-ray picture quality isn't great. But you apparently get off looking at parts of the picture more than what's playing. And BTW, there are titles available for streaming in HD that haven't been released on Blu-ray.

Your struggles to tolerate artifacts sounds a little bit like a psychological issue. I'm not putting you down if you do, but just saying the vast majority might not agree with your opinion that perfect visual quality outweighs good visual quality, ease of access, price, and selection. And that doesn't make either wrong.

[rickah88]

[Tok]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Ok, let me explain, one last time to prevent other members getting dragged into this.



Bluray picture quality with superb surround sound £15 = superb value for money



Streaming picture quality (good but nowhere near bluray) plus very decent surround sound £5.99 = good value for money for people who don't care as much for quality and just want to see the movie



Myself (someone who loves quality and has a projector) struggles to tolerate artefacts especially background break up.



The value is in the eye of the beholder. Streaming quality is nowhere near bluray levels on a projector therefore where is the value for me?



Some will see value in a chromebook. Many won't and only see value in a macbook etc.. That was the point I was making.

Well said Steedeel!

Exactly the way I feel, Netflix may be fine on a smaller screen or a less discerning viewer but all I see is strobing on camera pans, sharpness coming and going and in general just bad quality.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Of course they're going to get crap movies that did poorly at the box office earlier. That list above contains such movies (although Blackfish is a good doc, it only did $2 million at the box office), all mediocre.

I am surprised though that they got Turbo that early. They must have paid a fortune for it. But they have been known to pay a lot for a title they can advertise to new customers so that they sign on. But anyway it's just one popular title that's been released within the last six months on home video.

Show me some popular movies (that kind that sold well on Blu-ray and did well at the box office) that were released on Blu-ray in 2013 and are available on Netflix.

Avengers, Hunger Games, Taken, Taken 2, The Butler, Jack Reacher, The Last Stand, The Expendables, The Expendables 2, Olympus Has Fallen, The Croods, etc

Lorax, Hunger Games, Avengers, etc. have been on there awhile in 2016 they have exclusive rights to Disney first releases.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Tok

Well said Steedeel!

Exactly the way I feel, Netflix may be fine on a smaller screen or a less discerning viewer but all I see is strobing on camera pans, sharpness coming and going and in general just bad quality.

They get releases from Epix 45 days after on their website so next up is the new Star Trek movie, Emperor, The Frozen Ground, and World War Z. They got Skyfall way back, Pain & Gain, Dredd, Red Dawn, Flight, Ghost Protocol, Jack Reacher, Cabin In The Woods, etc. a long time ago on NetFlix.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Avengers, Hunger Games, Taken, Taken 2, The Butler, Jack Reacher, The Last Stand, The Expendables, The Expendables 2, Olympus Has Fallen, The Croods, etc

Most of those were either released earlier than 2013 (Avengers, Hunger Games, Taken, The Expendables), are actually not available on Netflix (Taken 2), or flopped at the box office (The Last Stand). That leaves The Croods, Reacher and Olympus has Fallen.

I am surprised that they do have a few popular movies that were released on Blu-ray within the last year though. Personally I don't use Netflix myself (I'm just too picky regarding quality of content and presentation, and I'm not lacking on stuff to watch in that regard), just for the kid who likes Nick TV shows and it's great for that.

[Tok]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

Avengers, Hunger Games, Taken, Taken 2, The Butler, Jack Reacher, The Last Stand, The Expendables, The Expendables 2, Olympus Has Fallen, The Croods, etc

Lorax, Hunger Games, Avengers, etc. have been on there awhile in 2016 they have exclusive rights to Disney first releases.

They have exclusive streaming rights for Disney in 2016, not exclusive home video rights. Also I wouldn't be surprised to see a new tier where the viewer will have to pay extra to get Disney.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

Most of those were either released earlier than 2013 (Avengers, Hunger Games, Taken, The Expendables), are actually not available on Netflix (Taken 2), or flopped at the box office (The Last Stand). That leaves The Croods, Reacher and Olympus has Fallen.

I am surprised that they do have a few popular movies that were released on Blu-ray within the last year though. Personally I don't use Netflix myself (I'm just too picky regarding quality of content and presentation, and I'm not lacking on stuff to watch in that regard), just for the kid who likes Nick TV shows and it's great for that.

Taken 2 is on NetFlix Canada which can be accessed via VPN. The Butler is on NetFlix Mexico. The first two seasons of Homeland are on UK and US has the first two seasons of American Horror Story. And its obvious you don't use NetFlix.

There are 12 NYT Critic Picks on NetFlix US released in the last year and 40 Rotten Tomatoes Certified Good. http://instantwatcher.com/

A movie being good to the populous means jack to me. It has to be good to me.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Tok

Well said Steedeel!

Exactly the way I feel, Netflix may be fine on a smaller screen or a less discerning viewer but all I see is strobing on camera pans, sharpness coming and going and in general just bad quality.

True.

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by Tok

They have exclusive streaming rights for Disney in 2016, not exclusive home video rights. Also I wouldn't be surprised to see a new tier where the viewer will have to pay extra to get Disney.

Actually its exclusive TV rights. They took it away from Starz.

And no, they won't have a new tier for Disney. Jeez. They didn't for any of their other big contracts like with Paramount, Lionsgate and MGM.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec...starz-20121204

Netflix has acquired the exclusive U.S. rights to movies from Walt Disney Studios films, beginning in 2016, in a three-year deal that catapults the Internet video-on-demand service into direct competition with pay-TV giants such as HBO and Showtime.

[bruceames]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

A movie being good to the populous means jack to me. It has to be good to me.

I hope you don't mean those movies you first listed above. But if you're OK with Netflix's selection then more power to you. I couldn't watch Netflix anyway just because I'm spoiled with Blu-ray quality. Once you get used to it, there's no turning back.

Bling Ring
Spring Breakers
Only God Forgives
The Iceman
Jobs
The Big Wedding
Turbo

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by slick1ru2

No one is saying Blu-ray picture quality isn't great. But you apparently get off looking at parts of the picture more than what's playing. And BTW, there are titles available for streaming in HD that haven't been released on Blu-ray.

Your struggles to tolerate artifacts sounds a little bit like a psychological issue. I'm not putting you down if you do, but just saying the vast majority might not agree with your opinion that perfect visual quality outweighs good visual quality, ease of access, price, and selection. And that doesn't make either wrong.

Picture break up is still a huge problem with streaming tech. No one can deny that. If an option exists for superb quality (perfect doesn't exist) of course I am going to take it. Ease of access is not a problem to me. I just reach with one arm and hey presto! I have my disc at hand and ready to spin.

I repeat, the value to me IS the quality. There are too many factors to consider with streaming such as data allowance, connection etc..

I am well aware that some title are available in HD via download that are not on bluray. So what? I will probably get them at some point and watch on Apple TV, it is better than dvd quality with a good strong connection or when downloaded in 720p but it's waaaaaaaaay off bluray. It's only ever going to be a huge compromise for me. Anyway, that's it for me, I'm leaving it there.
We are never going to agree when we have complete opposite principles and desires. The only thing I do agree with you about is the possible death of optical rental within the next five years. For that to happen though, HD prices will need to come down slightly, say £2.99 per rental rather than £4.99 currently!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

I hope you don't mean those movies you first listed above. But if you're OK with Netflix's selection then more power to you. I couldn't watch Netflix anyway just because I'm spoiled with Blu-ray quality. Once you get used to it, there's no turning back.

Bling Ring
Spring Breakers
Only God Forgives
The Iceman
Jobs
The Big Wedding
Turbo

That's the way I see it. Convenience is just another word for sacrifice by my rules!

[slick1ru2]

Originally Posted by bruceames.

I hope you don't mean those movies you first listed above. But if you're OK with Netflix's selection then more power to you. I couldn't watch Netflix anyway just because I'm spoiled with Blu-ray quality. Once you get used to it, there's no turning back.

Bling Ring
Spring Breakers
Only God Forgives
The Iceman
Jobs
The Big Wedding
Turbo

I mean movies like The Iceman, Flight, Skyfall, Ghost Protocol, Cabin In The Woods, and upcoming titles on NetFlix like World War Z, The Frozen Ground Emperor, etc.. I have hundreds of Blu-rays stacked all over my house. I am not so anal that I can't stand watching streaming HD titles. My connection is good enough to stream NetFlix 3D or VUDU HDX so I have less issues than what some of you are complaining about. Seriously, some of you seriously act like you might have OCD issues. And yes, over 33 million and growing are fine with the streaming quality and selection. Off to watch Homeland.

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