Large Format/"Premium" Theaters (IMAX 15/70, Digital IMAX, XD, ETX, RPX, etc.)

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

No, this thread is about "large format" and premium theatres. Unless you are showing 70mm, you are not "large format"

This thread is not just about large screens.

I'm sorry, but I'm the OP!

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by 42041

A 70mm screen is a premium theater in my book. A large screen isn't the end-all of movie theater experiences, sorry.

You mean a 70mm screening? There is no such thing as a 70mm screen

[42041]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

You mean a 70mm screening? There is no such thing as a 70mm screen

I mean a screen that can run and does run 70mm.
A rarity these days unfortunately but you can still catch 70mm screenings in the big cities.

[strumdogg]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

I'm sorry, but I'm the OP!

LOL!

[joeydrunk]

I kept bringing up the ipad to prove my point about distance, so in that regard it absolutely has to do with the conversation. i was trying to give you an example that you could understand since you are having trouble grasping this. Of course you stop straining after a certain point, yes, but that point happens after the first couple rows in the theater, not the distance to witch you say, but again thats also why i said this is largely personal opinion- thats why i was using the ipad scenario because it has the same effect but diminished. This is why a big screen is better farther back than a smaller screen closer up even if the image is the same size in you field of view, because when your close to the screen you have to strain your eyes to focus and crank your neck. Im over it, lets just agree to disagree on the subject, its all just opinion and preference anyway, neither of us are right.

Originally Posted by 42041

sigh... I guess it's too much to hope for that people won't be hopelessly obtuse and keep bringing up ipad screens even though they have nothing to do with the conversation and I've already addressed why watching an ipad half a foot from your face is completely different than watching some 40' wide screen in a regular movie theater from the equivalent viewing distance. After a certain point (and that point is determined by the optics of your eyeball and where it stops straining to focus), it doesn't matter if you're watching a 40' wide screen from 40' away, or a 10 mile wide screen from 10 miles away, its the same bloody thing to your eyes.

[joeydrunk]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

I don't know if 48 fps will do well, but if 48 fps has the backing of Peter Jackson I hear James Cameron, then I am sure it will like to do very well.

As for Dolby Atmos, I doubt it will go very far.

You doubt atmos will go very far, where do you get that!?! If anything it would be 48fps that doesnt catch on, everyone loves great sound but not everyone will love the hfr. Theres already over 1000 theaters in the U.S. scheduled to get atmos by the end of 2013, as long as they spend the money on it theyre not going to get rid of it anytime soon.the theatres will have it, the people will love it, and the directors/sound mixers already love to make movies with it. its a whole to delivery system from start to finish thats completly adaptable to any location and speaker configuration, this is the best thing to happen to cinema sound probably ever.......yeah im sure it wont be around long.

ps....sorry OP, off topic but i had to respond

[MikeCL]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

It's not difficult to test this for yourself at home.

1) Get a cell phone that takes no more than 2 MPs pictures, and get an actual camera with 10 MPs or more.

2) Using both your cell phone and camera, take pictures of something, such as your car sitting in the garage, driveway, or parking lot.

3) Look at the pictures on your computer monitor (presumably in the 12-inch to 20-inch range).

4) Now look at the pictures on your TV (presumably larger than your computer monitor).

2 MP Cell phone = 8mm/16mm/35mm film

10 MP Camera = 70 mm film

Computer monitor = normal size theater screen

TV = IMAX

You can shoot using whatever recording medium you want, and you can exhibit on whatever size screen you want. These are two separate things.

my computer monitor is my Samsung 40" I upgraded from a 23" took a bit to adjust when editing photos.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

You doubt atmos will go very far, where do you get that!?! If anything it would be 48fps that doesnt catch on, everyone loves great sound but not everyone will love the hfr. Theres already over 1000 theaters in the U.S. scheduled to get atmos by the end of 2013, as long as they spend the money on it theyre not going to get rid of it anytime soon.the theatres will have it, the people will love it, and the directors/sound mixers already love to make movies with it. its a whole to delivery system from start to finish thats completly adaptable to any location and speaker configuration, this is the best thing to happen to cinema sound probably ever.......yeah im sure it wont be around long.

ps....sorry OP, off topic but i had to respond

Atmos at most will not go very far. Movie theatres have had discreet mutli-channel sound for a very long time, I think it was in the 40's that magnetic sound was introduced, in the 50s-60s we had 6 track magnetic sound, this sound was far superior to the digital stuff we have today. In the late 70's, 80's and early 90's movies were blown up and shown in 70mm, showing the movies in 70mm had nothing to do with the picture but had everything to do with the sound, thus a movie was released in 6-track Dolby on 70mm because showing 6 track Dolby was the only way to present discreet 6 track. Trust me, the sound was very good. The introduction of digital sound in the early 90s is why movies were no longer shown in 70mm.

In the 90's, we had 8 channel SONY sound, we had Dolby 5.1 as well as 6.1, DTS 5.1 as well as 6.1. Now we have Dolby 7.1, and now Dolby Atmos.

Still, the defacto "big show" sound that has made throughout the years has been 6 track magnetic off of a 70mm print, and Dolby 5.1 and DTS 5.1.

8-Channel SONY sound flopped and failed, some movies were mixed as 8 track and some 6 but most theatrea were not equipped for 8 track.
6.1 Dolby flopped and failed (barely EVER used)
6.1 DTS flopped and failed
7.1 Dolby has barely got off the ground.

Now, with this all said, Dolby has announced that it would cost a theatre between $25,000-$30,000 to upgrade to Dolby Atmos....so theatres will do it, but the majority will not. Sure a 1000 screen will upgrade, but there are like 50,000 screens in North America.

As for the 6 track sound, 6 track sound that originated on 70mm in the 50s and 60s is not the same 6 track presentation as 6-track 70mm of the 80s and 90s. People think that split surround sound is something we have had for less than 20 years, that is not the case, we had split surround way back in the late 70s with Superman and all throughout the 80s.

[joeydrunk]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Atmos at most will not go very far. Movie theatres have had discreet mutli-channel sound for a very long time, I think it was in the 40's that magnetic sound was introduced, in the 50s-60s we had 6 track magnetic sound, this sound was far superior to the digital stuff we have today. In the late 70's, 80's and early 90's movies were blown up and shown in 70mm, showing the movies in 70mm had nothing to do with the picture but had everything to do with the sound, thus a movie was released in 6-track Dolby on 70mm because showing 6 track Dolby was the only way to present discreet 6 track. Trust me, the sound was very good. The introduction of digital sound in the early 90s is why movies were no longer shown in 70mm.

In the 90's, we had 8 channel SONY sound, we had Dolby 5.1 as well as 6.1, DTS 5.1 as well as 6.1. Now we have Dolby 7.1, and now Dolby Atmos.

Still, the defacto "big show" sound that has made throughout the years has been 6 track magnetic off of a 70mm print, and Dolby 5.1 and DTS 5.1.

8-Channel SONY sound flopped and failed, some movies were mixed as 8 track and some 6 but most theatrea were not equipped for 8 track.
6.1 Dolby flopped and failed (barely EVER used)
6.1 DTS flopped and failed
7.1 Dolby has barely got off the ground.

Now, with this all said, Dolby has announced that it would cost a theatre between $25,000-$30,000 to upgrade to Dolby Atmos....so theatres will do it, but the majority will not. Sure a 1000 screen will upgrade, but there are like 50,000 screens in North America.

As for the 6 track sound, 6 track sound that originated on 70mm in the 50s and 60s is not the same 6 track presentation as 6-track 70mm of the 80s and 90s. People think that split surround sound is something we have had for less than 20 years, that is not the case, we had split surround way back in the late 70s with Superman and all throughout the 80s.

if this was any other new surround format i would try and dissect your post to try and prove you wrong, but i dont need to do that. im fairly certain from the way you have responded that you do not know much about atmos. first of all everything you have mentioned is thinking inside the same "box" its all channels, this is a whole new delivery system, from recording, mixing and implementing, atmos is hybrid, it is object and channel oriented. movie creators(whoever has a say where they want what sound to go where) will have endless possibilities of what they can do. If i had said auro 3d sound was the new best thing(which atmos can be delivered to auro 3d ) and you came back with exactly with what you did i might say"hmm, hes got a point there" but this is not just a speaker configuration. everything i said about atmos is a valid reason why it will thrive, not one of your points is valid in determining if atmos will fail, i could also make a list of sound formats that have succeded too. atmos is a different beast all together.

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

i could also make a list of sound formats that have succeded too.

Oh please do....I can't wait to see this.

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

if this was any other new surround format i would try and dissect your post to try and prove you wrong, but i dont need to do that. im fairly certain from the way you have responded that you do not know much about atmos. first of all everything you have mentioned is thinking inside the same "box" its all channels, this is a whole new delivery system, from recording, mixing and implementing, atmos is hybrid, it is object and channel oriented. movie creators(whoever has a say where they want what sound to go where) will have endless possibilities of what they can do. If i had said auro 3d sound was the new best thing(which atmos can be delivered to auro 3d ) and you came back with exactly with what you did i might say"hmm, hes got a point there" but this is not just a speaker configuration. everything i said about atmos is a valid reason why it will thrive, not one of your points is valid in determining if atmos will fail, i could also make a list of sound formats that have succeded too. atmos is a different beast all together.

At $25,000-$30,000 minimum to upgrade a theatre, Atmos will be an EPIC failure. Movie theatres are not going to buy more speakers, have them installed etc etc, just not going to happen.

[joeydrunk]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Oh please do....I can't wait to see this.



At $25,000-$30,000 minimum to upgrade a theatre, Atmos will be an EPIC failure. Movie theatres are not going to buy more speakers, have them installed etc etc, just not going to happen.

By the way, the sentence that you repeated in this post from the last, was the only point you had that was partially valid, Il give u that, some theaters wont want to or cant afford to, but the majority of the big 3 will, and theaters never make expensive upgrades on unproven technology do they? Also it can cost less than 10,000 or above what you have stated-its completely up to the discretion of the theater, they dont have to buy extra speakers either if they dont want to, and once they see the overwhelming positive response from the public and all movies start being made with it theyll want to do it. you really havnt made any good arguments at all.I am so positive you are wrong on this why dont you pm me and we will seioursly make a wager on this, set up some stipulations and outlines and keep in contact over the next couple years, and when i win and prove you wrong if your a man (or woman) of your word you can pay me........but spend at least 5 minutes reading about the technology before you disregard it only because youve seen so manyy others fail and are still so upset that movie sound is no longer magnetic and mad at digital, or maybe your remembering back to when movies were silent and are still upset they got any sound

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

By the way, the sentence that you repeated in this post from the last, was the only point you had that was partially valid, Il give u that, some theaters wont want to or cant afford to, but the majority of the big 3 will, and theaters never make expensive upgrades on unproven technology do they? Also it can cost less than 10,000 or above what you have stated-its completely up to the discretion of the theater, they dont have to buy extra speakers either if they dont want to, and once they see the overwhelming positive response from the public and all movies start being made with it theyll want to do it. you really havnt made any good arguments at all.I am so positive you are wrong on this why dont you pm me and we will seioursly make a wager on this, set up some stipulations and outlines and keep in contact over the next couple years, and when i win and prove you wrong if your a man (or woman) of your word you can pay me........but spend at least 5 minutes reading about the technology before you disregard it only because youve seen so manyy others fail and are still so upset that movie sound is no longer magnetic and mad at digital, or maybe your remembering back to when movies were silent and are still upset they got any sound

Where is that list of the sound formats that have succeeded?

[joeydrunk]

No wager huh? ...hahahah....i didnt think so. My point was it would be just as possible to make a list of formats that have succeeded-the lists prove nothing, therefore there is no reason-it has no bearing on your argument-you could have made a list that was 10,000 long and it would still have no bearing becuase all it takes are the ones the keep.Plus everything on your list is different from this. Since you havent made any real progresseion in your arguments in the last 3 posts except for repeating yourself I will digress for now. If you have anything else useful or intersesting to say or want to pm me about that wager let me know. Oh... i think i hear the fixodent starting to fizz in that glass next to your bed, better let you go.

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Where is that list of the sound formats that have succeeded?

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

No wager huh? ...hahahah....i didnt think so. My point was it would be just as possible to make a list of formats that have succeeded-the lists prove nothing, therefore there is no reason-it has no bearing on your argument-you could have made a list that was 10,000 long and it would still have no bearing becuase all it takes are the ones the keep.Plus everything on your list is different from this. Since you havent made any real progresseion in your arguments in the last 3 posts except for repeating yourself I will digress for now. If you have anything else useful or intersesting to say or want to pm me about that wager let me know. Oh... i think i hear the fixodent starting to fizz in that glass next to your bed, better let you go.

Where is the list?

[strumdogg]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Where is the list?

Damn, you guys are still at this?

For the love of non-denominational Gods!...Stop!

[joeydrunk]

heres a list for you- your grocery list:

1.-hearing aid
2.-depends
3.-walkiing cane
4.-hip replacement
5.-dental creme
6.-botox(in case im talking to a female)
7.- DOLBY ATMOS

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Where is the list?

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by joeydrunk

heres a list for you- your grocery list:

1.-hearing aid
2.-depends
3.-walkiing cane
4.-hip replacement
5.-dental creme
6.-botox(in case im talking to a female)
7.- DOLBY ATMOS

[AmrlKJaneway]

Open a thread called "Dolby Atmos - Succeed or Fail?" and argue there... this is the IMAX thread.

We've got a few 25m 4K screens in Brisbane, and one 70mm 25m screen that I know of. They're amazing. I don't know what sound they use, cuz the site used to say, but doesn't now. One has Dolby Ex, whatever that is.

We used to have an IMAX, back when they were known for showing documentaries pretty much exclusively. I don't think it was as popular back then and it shut down maybe twelve years ago. But I hear IMAX shares are up and I hope to see a return one day. I would love to see the IMAX scenes of certain movies in the intended aspect ratio.

Anyway, the 25m screen I go to (the 70mm one) is great, with amazing sound. I'll be heading to one of those 4k ones for Star Trek, and if this thread is still around and not just some giant argument about lists or something, I will post my opinions on the digital format on a gigantic screen!

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by AmrlKJaneway

Open a thread called "Dolby Atmos - Succeed or Fail?" and argue there... this is the IMAX thread.

We've got a few 25m 4K screens in Brisbane, and one 70mm 25m screen that I know of. They're amazing. I don't know what sound they use, cuz the site used to say, but doesn't now. One has Dolby Ex, whatever that is.

We used to have an IMAX, back when they were known for showing documentaries pretty much exclusively. I don't think it was as popular back then and it shut down maybe twelve years ago. But I hear IMAX shares are up and I hope to see a return one day. I would love to see the IMAX scenes of certain movies in the intended aspect ratio.

Anyway, the 25m screen I go to (the 70mm one) is great, with amazing sound. I'll be heading to one of those 4k ones for Star Trek, and if this thread is still around and not just some giant argument about lists or something, I will post my opinions on the digital format on a gigantic screen!

No, you're in the right place.

Seems odd that they're not using the IMAX auditorium since the movie theater itself is still open.

http://www.cineplex.com.au/sessions-SB.php

[joeydrunk]

thankyou, thankyou, im glad someone gave me some credit for that one, I'll move on with the atmos talk... apologies

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan