Large Format/"Premium" Theaters (IMAX 15/70, Digital IMAX, XD, ETX, RPX, etc.)

[antovolk]

Disney are doing 70mm IMAX prints for Rogue One. London's Science Museum has the only European print
https://twitter.com/sciencemuseum/st...86714020937728

[Geoff D]

Does it embiggen anywhere in the film or is this a straight DMR upscale?

[antovolk]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Does it embiggen anywhere in the film or is this a straight DMR upscale?

Straight DMR.

[xbs2034]

Originally Posted by antovolk

Disney are doing 70mm IMAX prints for Rogue One. London's Science Museum has the only European print
https://twitter.com/sciencemuseum/st...86714020937728

Since they say it is the only 15/70 print in Europe, I'm betting the 15/70 version will only be in those few museums sites which don't have a digital projector of any kind, just so they can play the film. Also, I think this would make it the first Hollywood film to get a 15/70 release without 15/70 footage since Desolation of Smaug.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by xbs2034

Since they say it is the only 15/70 print in Europe, I'm betting the 15/70 version will only be in those few museums sites which don't have a digital projector of any kind, just so they can play the film. Also, I think this would make it the first Hollywood film to get a 15/70 release without 15/70 footage since Desolation of Smaug.

I think you're right, it's purely for those IMAX places which don't have either digital or laser. IIRC they also got a 15/70 print of Force Awakens for the same reason, while the BFI IMAX got the 2K digital version simply because they were able to project it.

[GLaDOS]

Apparently Transformers: The Last Knight is being shot with IMAX 3D Digital Cameras (Not the ones based on the Phantom 65 Gold. It's just two Alexa IMAX cameras slapped side by side).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBWhDPw1XrY

[Poya]

Originally Posted by GLaDOS

Apparently Transformers: The Last Knight is being shot with IMAX 3D Digital Cameras (Not the ones based on the Phantom 65 Gold. It's just two Alexa IMAX cameras slapped side by side).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBWhDPw1XrY

Damn it, Bay. I want to avoid this like a leper but I am curious about how that would look. Maybe someone else will do something similar.

[ITDEFX101]

Now see this shit really confuses me. Is it really captured in IMAX but not being projected correctly in local cinemas that claim IMAX screens?
The IMAX Screen I go to that I have read to be actual IMAX is
https://airandspace.si.edu/theater-t...s-imax-theater
Everything else is D-IMAX/Lie-Max.

So far from what I have seen Nolan has done an excellent job using the IMAX cameras for scenes in TDK/TDKR and Interstellar. The detail was incredible! I saw both Interstellar and TDKR at that particular location.

The last Transformers movie was a mess to view in a Digital Imax theater. There were aspect ratio changes in scenes where the humans were talking to the autobots and so on. So Wide, FULL, Wide, FULL all in a matter of seconds. what the hell???

Now that I think about it, that escape from Jakku scene presented in full frame IMAX was kinda a waste of the camera. If you think about it, it is a very intense scene with the characters moving around from firing the guns to piloting the ship. The external scenes all CGI.... so is it worth seeing a Computer Generated scene in IMAX?

I was hoping to see the destruction of the New Republic presented in IMAX as when General Hux was giving his speech that amount detail (the troopers, Ties, other weapons) would have looked amazing in IMAX...but then again it would have been all CG.

[UFAlien]

Originally Posted by ITDEFX101

Now see this shit really confuses me. Is it really captured in IMAX but not being projected correctly in local cinemas that claim IMAX screens?
The IMAX Screen I go to that I have read to be actual IMAX is
https://airandspace.si.edu/theater-t...s-imax-theater
Everything else is D-IMAX/Lie-Max.

Is what really captured in IMAX? What are you asking about here?

[ITDEFX101]

That's what I am confused about. When I see filmed in IMAX I am thinking filmed in 15/70mm film and not a set digital resolution. In Captain America: Civil War it was stated that it had about 15-18 minutes of scenes filmed in IMAX. When I saw it at the theater I mentioned, the first 5 minutes or first part of the 3 part airport brawl switched to full frame and it was amazing. For the remainder of the brawl it was letterboxed. I was SO disappointed in this because the Giant man scene would have been amazing to see it IMAX full frame. No other scenes in the movie switched to full frame. I don't know what happened but it wasn't 15-18 mins of IMAX full frame.

[UFAlien]

Civil War's "IMAX" scenes were shot with the Arri Alexa 65, a high-end large-sensor digital cinema camera IMAX has... sort of "partnered" with to allow their name to be slapped on it with certain productions. Sully, which was advertised as "filmed almost entirely in IMAX," was also shot on the Alexa 65. Bizarrely Doctor Strange was also shot largely on the Alexa 65 and included expanded aspect ratio sequences in IMAX showings but was not advertised as "shot in IMAX."

The Alexa 65 has an open gate/"full frame" aspect ratio of 2.11:1, which is actually cropped somewhat on the sides for IMAX exhibition. If there were shots in Civil War that filled a "real" (roughly 1.44:1) IMAX screen then they were HEAVILY cropped. The 15-18 minutes are supposed to expand to fill an IMAX Digital screen with their wider ratios, not a traditional 15/70 screen.

The only upcoming film I know of that's shooting on real full-frame IMAX film is Christopher Nolan's Dunkirk. The new Transformers, the first two episodes of the Inhumans TV show, and I believe Infinity War are being "shot in IMAX," but on the Alexa 65, not on IMAX film. Because the Alexa is much cheaper and easier to use and IMAX film exhibition locations are being phased out/converted, it's likely the vast majority of future "shot in IMAX" films will use the Alexa or some other high-end digital camera.

[ITDEFX101]

WOW that was a real eye opener. So basically it's like instead of saying made with real chicken, it is most likely chicken flavored when it comes to seeing any future (mostly) movies in IMAX. I take it that any bts photos or videos where you see the actual camera being used for the shot that says IMAX is not nearly real IMAX? I saw one video where Bay was holding what appeared to be a camera labeled IMAX but it was more hand held and I was like that can't be right.

I am really shocked right now. I considered the Imax theater I mentioned earlier to be the cream of the crop showing what the director truly intended for the audience to see and it isn't.

Originally Posted by UFAlien

Civil War's "IMAX" scenes were shot with the Arri Alexa 65, a high-end large-sensor digital cinema camera IMAX has... sort of "partnered" with to allow their name to be slapped on it with certain productions. Sully, which was advertised as "filmed almost entirely in IMAX," was also shot on the Alexa 65. Bizarrely Doctor Strange was also shot largely on the Alexa 65 and included expanded aspect ratio sequences in IMAX showings but was not advertised as "shot in IMAX."

The Alexa 65 has an open gate/"full frame" aspect ratio of 2.11:1, which is actually cropped somewhat on the sides for IMAX exhibition. If there were shots in Civil War that filled a "real" (roughly 1.44:1) IMAX screen then they were HEAVILY cropped. The 15-18 minutes are supposed to expand to fill an IMAX Digital screen with their wider ratios, not a traditional 15/70 screen.

The only upcoming film I know of that's shooting on real full-frame IMAX film is Christopher Nolan's Dunkirk. The new Transformers, the first two episodes of the Inhumans TV show, and I believe Infinity War are being "shot in IMAX," but on the Alexa 65, not on IMAX film. Because the Alexa is much cheaper and easier to use and IMAX film exhibition locations are being phased out/converted, it's likely the vast majority of future "shot in IMAX" films will use the Alexa or some other high-end digital camera.

[Geoff D]

Yes, and 1.44 itself will be consigned to history going forward unless using proper 15-perf 65mm. There's the possibility of IMAX coming up with reverse anamorphic glass for the Alexa (like what they apparently use on their 1.90 4K Laser systems to create the full 1.44 height where applicable e.g. BvS) to squeeze the 1.44 into the 1.90 A65 capture. But that'd cost a heck of a lot of money and seeing as most new IMAX installs are 1.90 anyway I think that's the expanding 'IMAX ratio' that we're stuck with.

[ITDEFX101]

Although I bummed about that... I can say that the sound system in an "IMAX" theater is really powerful compared to ETX/RPX....but after reading above...I wouldn't be surprised if it was something other than IMAX.

[saprano]

Every theater is getting rid of their IMAX film projectors. Most already have. The only theater in NYC left with one (AMC lowes Lincoln square) replaced it earlier this year with digital. Made me so mad. I saw Interstellar there and it was so damn amazing. Digital has yet to match the detail and resolution of 70mm. The digital projectors replacing it can't even fill a real IMAX screen.

By the time the next Christopher Nolan film is released, there will hardly be anywhere to see it in on film.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by saprano

Every theater is getting rid of their IMAX film projectors. Most already have. The only theater in NYC left with one (AMC lowes Lincoln square) replaced it earlier this year with digital. Made me so mad. I saw Interstellar there and it was so damn amazing. Digital has yet to match the detail and resolution of 70mm. The digital projectors replacing it can't even fill a real IMAX screen.

By the time the next Christopher Nolan film is released, there will hardly be anywhere to see it in on film.

don't knock it til you see it. The new IMAX-laser system currently getting installed at Lincoln Square retains the original screen dimensions and the projector can implement the whole 4:3 image of IMAX features that are shot that way, not 1.78 that standard IMAX digital screens are set at.

Lincoln Square 13 - IMAX-laser conversion

[ITDEFX101]

So basically all Imax (film) theaters will go digital.
What about the ones on this list?
http://www.imax.com/news/imax-laser-here

I've always told myself if the screen is tall/square then it's real imax.. if it's more wide screen then it's digital imax/fake imax.

AMC/Regal is sure charging more money for their IMAX theaters when vs seeing it at a museum. I think the AMC/Regal is charging like 20 dollars vs 15.

Originally Posted by saprano

Every theater is getting rid of their IMAX film projectors. Most already have. The only theater in NYC left with one (AMC lowes Lincoln square) replaced it earlier this year with digital. Made me so mad. I saw Interstellar there and it was so damn amazing. Digital has yet to match the detail and resolution of 70mm. The digital projectors replacing it can't even fill a real IMAX screen.

By the time the next Christopher Nolan film is released, there will hardly be anywhere to see it in on film.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by ITDEFX101

So basically all Imax (film) theaters will go digital.
What about the ones on this list?
http://www.imax.com/news/imax-laser-here

I've always told myself if the screen is tall/square then it's real imax.. if it's more wide screen then it's digital imax/fake imax.

AMC/Regal is sure charging more money for their IMAX theaters when vs seeing it at a museum. I think the AMC/Regal is charging like 20 dollars vs 15.

what exactly are you asking regarding the listed theaters - those are the new 'digital' 4K laser system theaters - most of the those screens are museum/science center conversions where they retain the original boxier 4:3 screens.

[ITDEFX101]

In regards to those screens, that means when they go full frame for certain scenes, is it the correct way the director intended it to be seen?

Star Trek Beyond was projected on that screen in widescreen.

Since we are on the subject of 4k...what is the difference between their 4k vs Sony's 4k wide screen projectors?

Originally Posted by Dubstar

what exactly are you asking regarding the listed theaters - those are the new 'digital' 4K laser system theaters - most of the those screens are museum/science center conversions where they retain the original boxier 4:3 screens.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by ITDEFX101

In regards to those screens, that means when they go full frame for certain scenes, is it the correct way the director intended it to be seen?

Star Trek Beyond was projected on that screen in widescreen.

Since we are on the subject of 4k...what is the difference between their 4k vs Sony's 4k wide screen projectors?

Well for starters Sony 4K is not laser.

As to the first question it's dependent on how and what the studio gives to IMAX. "Doctor Strange" full screen scenes are 1.90 (that doesn't go full screen on a 4:3 screen); however for a movie like this year's Ghostbusters the effects that break out of the framing and the one scene that goes full screen does implement the entire 4:3 screen

Star Trek Beyond was a constant height 2.40:1 image thus on a 4:3 screen there will be black borders above and below the image. Star Trek Into Darkness did have scenes that were full screen, on a 4:3 screen there was even more vertical image than its IMAX-digital counterpart which at full screen is only 1.90 - capisce??