List of UHDs that contain HDR10+

[Aidenag]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

THAT Sony HDMI-Less Dolby Vision TV Firmware Update (& HDR10+) - YouTube

HDR10+ is a joke.

LG and Sony both have confirmed to Vincent Teoh, what another user on here pointed out that John Archer had reported at CES last week, that HDR10+ doesn't optimize end-to-end playback on all compatible panels the same way that Dolby Vision does. Instead, it relies solely on a universal algorithm. In theory, this is no different than what LG's 2017 and 2018 OLED models do, in using LG's proprietary 'Active HDR' algorithm, to simulate dynamic metadata, on static HDR10 content.

So, if you're an owner of a 2017 LG OLED model, just active your dynamic contrast settings to 'low', and voila, you now have HDR10+

What a joke.

Wow, i'd heard the rumor a few weeks ago, but to see it being confirmed by reputable sources now. That's pretty pathetic and show just how much of a con job this really is. Not open, not even really dynamic metadata, and not even free to use. So unless im missing something, all of it's supposed advantages were outright lies?

[TheSweetieMan]

Pretty much.

And since all sets/players will be using the same algorithm, for what work for one set, might not work for another.

So, it's just like the whole tone-mapping thing all over again.

There's no real benefit here. In fact, you can basically say that LG beat Samsung to the punch with this concept.

[nugget2016]

still better than static hdr10, if you dont have an LG OLED? but not by much.

[Geoff D]

Somewhere, a HeatEquation is crying.

[Vangeli]

Wait, so when I said HDR10+ was just "a free and not as good version of Dolby Vision," that was a compliment compared to the truth?

[Aidenag]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Somewhere, a HeatEquation is crying.

BURN!



it had to be done

[HumanMedia]

So its sort of like pushing for HD-DVD but a couple of years after Blu-ray is released?

[TheSweetieMan]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Somewhere, a HeatEquation is crying.

Dude deserves it.

[davcole]

While I'm sure it will look better than standard HDR 10, not shocked it has one universal algorithm!

I've felt that DV would technically be best but I'd love my set upgraded to HDR+ to be fully covered!

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[dlb99]

Since when has it been established that HDR10 is junk?

Last I checked most HDR content is HDR10. Have we been wasting our time without Dolby Vision or HDR10+ all this time?

As Steve Withers (from the UK AVForums) has stated multiple times, dynamic meta-data primarily benefits low-nit displays. The brighter and more capable your HDR set the less need there is for Dolby Vision or HDR10+. The Panasonic OLEDs without Dolby Vision are some of the best HDR displays on the planet.

Sure the DV 12-bit addition is nice; and dynamic meta-data in general is better to have (than not have). But this is cream on top, say like the difference between a 24-bit / 48khz soundtrack vs a 24-bit / 192khz soundtrack. Sure the bigger one is better but will you actually notice it?

Heck, Dolby Vision via HDMI on LG displays has the elevated blacks bug and Sony has the profiles-within-profiles issue. This is not filling me confidence that Dolby actually has its act together.

[dlb99]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

THAT Sony HDMI-Less Dolby Vision TV Firmware Update (& HDR10+) - YouTube

HDR10+ is a joke.

And Dolby Vision's profiles within profiles is not a joke?

Vincent's reaction between 2:45 - 3:00 is spot on...... FU**!!!!!

No wonder Samsung and Panasonic want nothing to do with this mess.

[TheSweetieMan]

Dolby’s already worked out a solution for the HDMI issue.

Sony has to take responsibility on their end for failing to implement Dolby Vision the way it’s intended. The idea that Dolby didn’t explain to Sony how this would all work, would be an absolute joke. Plus, from the sounds of it, Sony will also be working out this issue, resulting in DV playing back through HDMI just fine.

Again, I’m fine with waiting a few months if it means finally perfecting Dolby Vision all across the board. At least it has a proven end-to-end playback formula for literally every compatible set.

The fact that HDR10+ is entirely algorithm base, means that LG has already had this implemented in their 2017 panels.

So not only do LG owners get to experience Dolby Vision, but they’re also able to experience HDR10+, for all intents and purposes, before Samsung even rolls this out.

Also, bear in mind, I’m only posting this because one specific user thought HDR10+ was going to be some holy grail. When in fact, it’s an even bigger mess than any DV rollout. It’s a cheap imitation of what DV actually does.

[Aidenag]

dynamic meta-data primarily benefits low-nit displays. The brighter and more capable your HDR set the less need there is for Dolby Vision or HDR10+. The Panasonic OLEDs without Dolby Vision are some of the best HDR displays on the planet.

Im confused, you say meta data is mostly for lower nit displays, and that the more 'capable' displays dont need it. BUT, then proceed to say the panny oled, which is made by LG, and without dv, is one of the best tvs ever made? Does the panny logo grant the lg panel its made from super powers im not aware of?

[dlb99]

Originally Posted by Aidenag

Im confused, you say meta data is mostly for lower nit displays, and that the more 'capable' displays dont need it. BUT, then proceed to say the panny oled, which is made by LG, and without dv, is one of the best tvs ever made? Does the panny logo grant the lg panel its made from super powers im not aware of?

There is more to a TV than just a panel; you should know that. Processing, LUTs, fidelity, tone-mapping all matter.

The Dolby Vision cult is over-the-top; it's nice and it is useful, but when it's not there no one should be slitting their wrists since a TV that does HDR10 well will give you most of the benefits of HDR anyway.

Dolby Vision will be like Atmos; it will never be ubiquitous, some content and some hardware will support it, was other content/hardware won't. So I suggest getting used to it.

[TheSweetieMan]

Aaaaaaaaaand, regardless of all that, the launch of HDR10+ still turned out to be a complete joke.

That is, again, the original point.

[dlb99]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Dolby’s already worked out a solution for the HDMI issue.

So they say. How does such a bug get out in the first place? It does not fill me with confidence; rather it says to me they were in a mad rush and stuffed up. Same for the Sony debacle.

Maybe bugs such as these are why Samsung/Panasonic/Fox are not doing Dolby Vision.

My position; HDR10+ vs DV vs Technicolor is a confused mess. Everyone supports HDR10; hence get a TV that does HDR10 superbly (especially tone-mapping and histogram analysis wise) and then get on with life. The brighter and better your TV the less need there is for dynamic meta-data.

P.S. Yes, DV is better to have than not have, but it is small cream on the top, not night and day difference.

[TheSweetieMan]

How do HDMI handshake issues happen?

There's always going to be bugs and kinks to work out when it comes to new formats.

Again, I couldn't care less. Dolby will get it figured out in the end.

I'm too busy laughing at HDR10+ being one, single universal algorithm, that isn't going to yield the same consistent results all across the board, the same way Dolby Vision does for its compatible panels.

[dlb99]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

Aaaaaaaaaand, regardless of all that, the launch of HDR10+ still turned out to be a complete joke.

That is, again, the original point.

How is it a joke?

The format is literally six months old.

HDR10+ is primarily for TV in the 500nit range that don't have enough processing to do on-the-fly analysis (such as LG top-ends OLED do).

HDR10+ and Dolby Vision achieve maximum benefit for mid-range TVs.

Again, the brighter and better your HDR TV the less benefit dynamic meta-data provides; law of diminishing returns.

[dlb99]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

I'm too busy laughing at HDR10+ being one, single universal algorithm, that isn't going to yield the same consistent results all across the board, the same way Dolby Vision does for its compatible panels.

Having Dolby Vision is better sure; but it will never be ubiquitous.

So cheering for team Dolby Vision will mean disappointment when some of your favourite content will ship without it. Warners giving up on Dolby Vision seems a pretty big deal.

[TheSweetieMan]

You're not telling me anything I don't already know about dynamic metadata.

What you're failing to realize here is, Dolby uses its multiple profiles for each piece of hardware, to ensure every compatible piece of hardware it's implemented in, gets the best results of that hardware.

What HDR10+ is, a single algorithm that incorporates its version of dynamic metadata. Meaning, it may work well for two panels, but could be completely BORKED for another two.

That's why it's a joke. In the end, it's no real different from static HDR10, and having a panel like say the ZD9, where dynamic metadata isn't really needed, in terms of resolving detail.

You could have a 500-nit panel, yet still end up with terrible end-to-end playback, based on the HDR10+ algorithm not being well integrated into that panel's hardware/software.

At least with Dolby, you know you're getting the best HDR experience your panel has to offer.

EDIT: Warner didn't give up on Dolby. They're literally releasing Justice League in March, IN DOLBY VISION.