List of UHDs that contain HDR10+

[sapiendut]

Completely different thing, nothing between HDR10+ vs Sony/LG dynamic tone mapping can be considered “essentially the same”

[jibucha]

so :: 'we' completely disagree

note :: 'two different approaches' to the 'same end result'
note :: both LG & Sony agree (with me); you 'might want to check with them'

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Completely different thing, nothing between HDR10+ vs Sony/LG dynamic tone mapping can be considered “essentially the same”

[Pieter V]

New:

[Zoland2020]

No Dolby Vision for Yesterday neither uh?

[Pieter V]

Just HDR10+ only.

Originally Posted by Zoland2020

No Dolby Vision for Yesterday neither uh?

New:

[Geoff D]

It's got Dolby as well though Mike!

[gates70]

*subbed*

[tcripe]

I'm actually impressed with how the support for HDR10+ is taking off. Especially, since only two tv manufactures are supporting it currently.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by tcripe

I'm actually impressed with how the support for HDR10+ is taking off. Especially, since only two tv manufactures are supporting it currently.

Why be impressed? HDR10+ means nothing for the vast majority of HDR displays because they can hit higher than 500 peak nits.


It will almost always look the same as HDR10, the difference being there is a + in the title.

[sapiendut]

Is there still any display that can’t do 500 nits nowadays?

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Is there still any display that can’t do 500 nits nowadays?

Projectors and probably bargain basement HDR computer monitors and TV displays.


The problem being I know of no projectors with HDR10+ compatibility.

[Geoff D]

Right, they're probably lacking 10+ (aside from the main 10+ tech supporters not being renowned for their projection gear e.g. Samsung) for the same reason as why DV isn't a thing on consumer projektors: in order to map the image you need a fixed baseline of performance for the display but with PJs they're only half the solution, the screen is also a big component of how the image quality will ultimately look.

In other words: They can't legislate for the exact specs of whatever screen is being used, not with 'out of the box' settings anyway, so content-led dynamic tone mapping could end up being as rudderless as any static mapping system.

[sapiendut]

No projector is using HDR10+ and for gameing I don’t know of any game that uses HDR10+ either. Plus zero receiver passes through HDR10+.

[Kris Deering]

Receivers passing HDR10+ shouldn't be an issue. As long as it will pass DV it should be fine. The only thing a receiver has to do with any of this is just pass the signal through without altering it, otherwise the metadata is effected.

[Geoff D]

Doesn't really matter all that much anyway when any decent player will have split HDMI outputs for audio and video.

[Blu Cider]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Is there still any display that can’t do 500 nits nowadays?

Plenty. Samsungs RU series from 2019 has abysmal peak brightness. The lowend LGs and the Sony X800G are other examples.

[Geoff D]

Except LG and Sony don't do 10+, guv'nor!

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by tcripe

I'm actually impressed with how the support for HDR10+ is taking off. Especially, since only two tv manufactures are supporting it currently.

Warner's new authoring software does both DV & HDR10+ so expect both formats from now on on first run and crown-jewel catalog releases.

[Kris Deering]

I think it is disingenuous to say that HDR10+ only benefits low nit displays. Why do I keep seeing that being tossed around? Frame by frame metadata benefits any display that cannot do true nit for nit displaying of content. It allows the tone mapping to know exactly what each scene has so it doesn't waste any range like a static tone map would. It would also benefit ANY display with a dynamic contrast system (see just about any LCD display, regardless of nit value) because once again, the dynamic system would know exactly what the APL of the scene is so far less chance of ANY artifacts typically associated with dynamic contrast systems (clipping, dimming, pumping).

I haven't played around with HDR10+ personally, but I know a few things about video and tone mapping and saying this is a system that would only benefit low nit displays sounds like misrepresentation to downplay its advantages.

[BrownianMotion]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

I haven't played around with HDR10+ personally, but I know a few things about video and tone mapping and saying this is a system that would only benefit low nit displays sounds like misrepresentation to downplay its advantages.

Vincent Teoh has reviewed a couple of HDR10+ discs and came to the conclusion that the format was optimized for 500 nit or lower TVs. Even Samsung, in most of their advertising of the format, emphasized the benefits for low nit displays.