List of UHDs that contain HDR10+

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by tcripe

Aren't new Samsung TV's the only TV's that support HDR10+?

Recent Panasonic TVs support HDR10+ as far as i know.....

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

It will always be better if you care about director's intent

So Kubrick filmed 2001 with DV in mind and not hdr10+?

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Regarding the first link, Samsung literally posted a press release on their site in 2017 saying that their 2016 TVs would get HDR10+, but we now know that won't be the case. They have no problem lying on their own site.

As for the 2nd link, refer to my previous paragraph.

Also, that's not my list. That's the official HDR10+ Alliance website, and the only TVs listed on it are 2018 Samsung TVs along with certain Panasonic models. There is literally zero proof that the 2017 TVs support HDR10+.

I guess lucked out that I dont have 2016 TV.

There is literally zero proof that the 2017 TV's DO NOT support HDR10+. You can ignore HDR10+ press releases, samsung releases, samsung statements blah blah blah. I don't know why its a hard pill to swallow for you. Do you have a 2017 model?

and again.

All of Samsung’s 2017 UHD TVs, including its premium QLED TV lineup, support HDR10+. In the second half of this year, Samsung’s 2016 UHD TVs will gain HDR10+ support through a firmware update

this is a direct quote from recent press release.

[TitusTroy]

can Dolby Vision and HDR10+ co-exist or will one have to disappear?...even though everyone says it's not a format war, it sure seems like it

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

So Kubrick filmed 2001 with DV in mind and not hdr10+?

I would assume he would still rather you watch HDR that is mastered by the studio rather than one based off an algorithm.

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

The only proof that we have leans towards the lack of support, as the HDR10+ Alliance's official website only lists 2018 Samsung models. Despite your posts in this thread, even you are uncertain about whether or not your TV supports the format, as evidenced by your posts in the other thread you linked to.

Do I own a 2017 model? God no. Samsung's 2017 TVs sucked dick. Their 2018 TVs improved in some areas, but they dropped the ball by having their sets incorrectly tracking the PQ EOTF in every mode, including Movie mode. If I ever own an HDR10+ set, it will be a Panasonic OLED.



Link? That statement has already proven to be false.

I guess it sucks to suck, this TV looks amazing, but I'm sure you're the professional on 2017 models . You have zero proof that the 2017 models don't support HDR10+, bye troll.

I am certain it does, which is why I am looking for to testing its capabilities. The only thing I have questioned is if the Amazon Prime content is HDR10+

The link of that quote is in previous replies see above.

Originally Posted by avs commenter

I would assume he would still rather you watch HDR that is mastered by the studio rather than one based off an algorithm.

Well what you see at home is not what they see in studio concerning DV correct? Not exact enough to wager Director intent? Also there is no HDR10+ material to be even critical of. Tribalism woofff

[avs commenter]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

Well what you see at home is not what they see in studio concerning DV correct? Not exact enough to wager Director intent? Also there is no HDR10+ material to be even critical of. Tribalism woofff

You're not wrong. But DV will still always be closer to director intent. And the difference from HDR10+ may be minimal and good enough for most consumers.

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by avs commenter

You're not wrong. But DV will still always be closer to director intent. And the difference from HDR10+ may be minimal and good enough for most consumers.

How I thought DV is calibrated specifcally to display?

[ray0414]

We, the Marines will have Hdr10+


http://www.noreruns.net/2018/11/28/w...l-december-11/

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by ray0414

We, the Marines will have Hdr10+

Sir, yes, sir!

[Kizzo]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

HD DVD was not the better name since it was already in use for DVD players with HDMI outputs and upconverting.

I do agree. Blu-ray was definitely more of a catchier name. It was different and unique.

Not sure how HDR10+ and Dolby Vision will play out. But I'm betting on Dolby Vision due to it having a big head start and already available on the majority of 4K streaming services. DV is also appearing more frequently on 4K bluray as well.

But it's still early and anything can change

[tcripe]

Unless HDR10+ starts getting added to more TV brands other than Samsungs and Pansonics I don't see it taking over anytime soon.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

can Dolby Vision and HDR10+ co-exist or will one have to disappear?...even though everyone says it's not a format war, it sure seems like it

They are competing dynamic metadata systems. Some studios/TVs will use one, some the other. Either way every UHD disc has the base HDR 10 layer and plays on every player/TV, and that base layer should look great on a competent TV, which is why most people agree it's not a format war.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by TitusTroy

can Dolby Vision and HDR10+ co-exist or will one have to disappear?...even though everyone says it's not a format war, it sure seems like it

It's not a format war when every player can still get a base HDR signal out of either disc, and bear in mind that all but one of the major studios is grading HDR at source with Dolby Vision. We may not get the DV version on disc but make no mistake, DV is firmly entrenched at the mastering level.

At the consumer playback level it's more of a format skirmish, think of it as being analogous to Dolby and DTS audio formats. Both audio types do much the same thing but with different methodologies, that was never really referred to as a 'war' at all and both co-exist quite peacefully in latter-day tech. Give it a few years - bearing in mind we're barely three years into our unexpected HDR adventure - and I think 'universal' HDR TVs will be the norm.

[King Crimson]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

It's not a format war when every player can still get a base HDR signal out of either disc, and bear in mind that all but one of the major studios is grading HDR at source with Dolby Vision. We may not get the DV version on disc but make no mistake, DV is firmly entrenched at the mastering level.

At the consumer playback level it's more of a format skirmish, think of it as being analogous to Dolby and DTS audio formats. Both audio types do much the same thing but with different methodologies, that was never really referred to as a 'war' at all and both co-exist quite peacefully in latter-day tech. Give it a few years - bearing in mind we're barely three years into our unexpected HDR adventure - and I think 'universal' HDR TVs will be the norm.

What about the royalties in question and the need to run DV hardware in your TV? I mean I just don't see Samsung adding the hardware at least. I mean which is to say they don't want to become DV TV's they want to be Samsung TV's? I mean I would love all UHD TV's to support DV and HDR10+. I hope its not to far in the future.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by King Crimson

What about the royalties in question and the need to run DV hardware in your TV? I mean I just don't see Samsung adding the hardware at least. I mean which is to say they don't want to become DV TV's they want to be Samsung TV's? I mean I would love all UHD TV's to support DV and HDR10+. I hope its not to far in the future.

That's a fair point about having to pay the tithe to Dolby, but the same is true of all the AVRs and other kit out there that do Dolby and DTS audio. When both of those formats were competing against each other - I'm talking a good 25 years ago, back in the Laserdisc days - it was a rare piece of kit that natively handled both, but fast forward a few years into the DVD era and 'dual format' AVRs quickly became the norm rather than the exception. The manufacturers saw value in having both audio formats on there and I believe the same will happen with + and DV. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but soon enough.

(DV doesn't need to be run in hardware any more as long as you've got the processing power to handle it, and even if you don't then Dolby will come up with a new profile that pushes more of the processing back downstream to the player.)

[andreasy969]

I still don't get why HDR10+ even became a thing and why they are wasting resources on this. (and are confusing and imo even misleading consumers)

I can still remember looking into the HDR stuff first and being confused by the "dynamic HDR". As in: WTF is that supposed to be? HDR has dynamic range already, so what is "dynamic HDR" supposed to be. Either it's HDR or it's not HDR. When I then learned what the dynamic meta (!!!) data actually is, I also remember suggesting to just look at/analyse the f****** image instead, if the display cannot display the full dynamic range.

Just like this (just happened to have it handy):



I mean seriously, I'm sure applying TV's silly DNR algorithms and the likes is way more complicated/expensive then to just look for the brightest pixel of every frame and apply the tone mapping accordingly - the former should actually be a byproduct. And applying the tone mapping dynamically can't be a problem either, because, well, that's the purpose of frame-by-frame dynamic meta data in the first place.

tl/tr: I really don't get the silly dynamic meta data and why that is even still a thing. That's why I also don't consider it a format war, nor do I think that anyone should worry about dynamic meta data. It will become nothing but a relict imho. DV at least has its 12 bit (not that I prefer Dolby).

[Geoff D]

Yeah, I mean you're not the first person to have sat there and gone "why does it even need metadata" but generally TVs aren't as powerful as dedicated standalone computers or $5K image processors in analysing the image, and even though they've had algorithms for years that do indeed deal with processing the image in real time - contrast enhancers, motion interpolation etc - they don't usually work very well! And I think when HDR TVs first appeared the manufacturers decided to stick with static mapping using whatever approach (

[Show spoiler]

) rather than put a half-assed 'dynamic' solution in there based off of less than stellar processing. Either way, HDR was gonna be fubar for that first year or two.

We are finally starting to see true in-house dynamic mapping take shape, like what LG has (thanks to Technicolour) and what Sony now have on the AF9 OLED, and as with anything this will be improved over time. So yes, dynamic metadata will become less important which is another reason why the whole 'format war' thing is so overblown (IMO).

[gkolb]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

I still don't get why HDR10+ even became a thing and why they are wasting resources on this. (and are confusing and imo even misleading consumers)

HDR10+ is just Samsung being Samsung.

They don't want to pay a tithe to Dolby, whether their process is or isn't better than Dolby's.

[TheSweetieMan]

After how lazy LG has been--and that's putting it politely--with improving DV over HDMI over my 2016 panels, I couldn't care less about all these formats anymore.

I am personally satisfied with HDR10. Static metadata and all.