List of UHDs that contain HDR10+

[avs commenter]

Samsung has certainly raised the profile of HDR10+ and you have to give them credit.

However, Samsung's refusal to add DV still makes it a less appealing TV to purchase for consumers

[bradnoyes]

I was immediately a huge proponent for DV when I saw what it could do on my old 2016 OLED, and although I still notice an uptick in depth and vibrancy in DV compared to regular ol' HDR10 on my new E8, the difference is no longer as glaring. As TVs continue to improve I don't think the premium HDR formats will matter as much, and we might even get to a point where they don't matter at all on high-end TVs. I'd still like to see Dolby Vision become the more widely accepted standard for premium HDR but I'm not nearly as concerned about it as I once was.

[BrownianMotion]

Pretty soon, Samsung will be the only manufacturer that only supports a single dynamic HDR format. Yikes. Things don't look good for them, especially given the decline of their market share when it comes to TVs.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by bradnoyes

I was immediately a huge proponent for DV when I saw what it could do on my old 2016 OLED, and although I still notice an uptick in depth and vibrancy in DV compared to regular ol' HDR10 on my new E8, the difference is no longer as glaring. As TVs continue to improve I don't think the premium HDR formats will matter as much, and we might even get to a point where they don't matter at all on high-end TVs. I'd still like to see Dolby Vision become the more widely accepted standard for premium HDR but I'm not nearly as concerned about it as I once was.

Which is an excellent point. The better spec'ed that TVs get, in terms of both their internal mapping and the amount of HDR range that they can cover, then the less that dynamic metadata is even necessary.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Pretty soon, Samsung will be the only manufacturer that only supports a single dynamic HDR format. Yikes. Things don't look good for them, especially given the decline of their market share when it comes to TVs.

their decline has been a little bit exaggerated, according to an article by Cnet last month. Pay attention to the ending of the summary.

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[BrownianMotion]

That's in the US. What are their worldwide numbers like?

[Vangeli]

Wow it's disappointing people consider higher end Samsung displays over the competition, at least in the US. Worldwide they provide considerably better displays; the stuff they sell in the US is uglier and not as capable--in some cases half as bright--for the same price.

Shame shame shame. At least LG is climbing, hope that's all OLEDs.

[Noremac Mij]

Originally Posted by Vangeli

Wow it's disappointing people consider higher end Samsung displays over the competition, at least in the US. Worldwide they provide considerably better displays; the stuff they sell in the US is uglier and not as capable--in some cases half as bright--for the same price.

Shame shame shame. At least LG is climbing, hope that's all OLEDs.

Consumers are suckers. +1 for LG and OLED.

[Geoff D]

Samsung have had the TV market sewn up in the West for a good few years already.

[bradnoyes]

I know some folks who still swear by Samsung, but I used to be a Sam-boy myself so who am I to judge?

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Vangeli

Wow it's disappointing people consider higher end Samsung displays over the competition, at least in the US. Worldwide they provide considerably better displays; the stuff they sell in the US is uglier and not as capable--in some cases half as bright--for the same price.

Shame shame shame. At least LG is climbing, hope that's all OLEDs.

Samsung has a good offering of 75" and 80"+ tvs, I'm sure that helps. Oled 75" are still very expensive.

Originally Posted by Noremac Mij

Consumers are suckers. +1 for LG and OLED.

According to Vincent Teoh, Samsung DID have a QD Oled in private. He says it was VIP and media members such as himself were NOT invited.

[Agent Kay]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Samsung has a good offering of 75" and 80"+ tvs, I'm sure that helps. Oled 75" are still very expensive.



According to Vincent Teoh, Samsung DID have a QD Oled in private. He says it was VIP and media members such as himself were NOT invited.

After his last Samsung video I would not invite him either

[nick4Knight]

Okay that's fine if they had a private model displayed but save for the more disposable income enabled members of a site like this QD OLED is not financially feasible. It may as well be called MicroLED as far as common folk is concerned.

The only thing lots of people seem to comb over wrt Samsung is how impressive their colour volume specs are for 2018 QLED range, and you'd imagine that stays strong or improves in the 2019 line.

[Vangeli]

Quantum Dots are now in other high end TVs and seeing as Samsung's backlights and motion handling still pale in comparison to the competition, there's no reason to stick with Samsung when better costs less.

Even at the low end, other manufacturers offer FALD backlights and Dolby Vision support in the same price brackets if not cheaper. I really have no idea how Samsung remains the current king. Marketing, I guess. MicroLED is definitely intriguing, though!

[Noremac Mij]

MicroLED could never ever have the amazing natural colors of OLED.

[Bluyoda]

Wow! That's a mighty long list.....
In all seriousness though, I am curious how things will develop in 2019.
It's going to be interesting.

[Ruined]

Originally Posted by BrownianMotion

Pretty soon, Samsung will be the only manufacturer that only supports a single dynamic HDR format. Yikes. Things don't look good for them, especially given the decline of their market share when it comes to TVs.

IMO if their market share declines has nothing to do with HDR formats. General public just cares about "HDR", not hdr10+ or DV.

[Staying Salty]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Samsung have had the TV market sewn up in the West for a good few years already.

Originally Posted by tgm1024

Yeah, well this dates back to Q2, (can't find anything more recent that's clear) and certainly seems like a fairly unrelenting decline. With OLEDs catching up and exceeding the (monumentally pointless) LCD/QD thing.

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Seems like I have to hand it to LG on some things at least:

1.Samsung bet on curves and stayed there, LG experimented and pulled out
2.Samsung pushed active 3D, LG experimented and came out with passive 3D (a Godsend to us 3D lovers)
3.Samsung tried desperately with the single emitter OLED (S9C), LG came out with the layered sheets.
4.Samsung's premium TV slice went from 55% to 15%.
Samsung can do phones like there's no tomorrow. But for TVs, am I over simplifying by saying that this seems like a not-yet drowning man flailing around for a branch like Sharp eventually did (hokey almost-4K, uncleanable MothEye...)?

Yoda: "Not so certain, the future is"

[Geoff D]

I didn't say that they were gonna stay there forever, but they're still commanding a huge market share as they have done for a decade or more...

[Nothing371]

I've always been a fan of Samsung products. They have been making excellent consumer electronic devices like phones and tvs for two decades. But at this point in time their televisions in the west are vastly inferior. Both stand-alone, and when you take value into consideration.