Sony "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray Titles May 14 and July 16

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by marine92104

If that is true why does the review on this website give the 1st release a 4.5 in PQ & the 4k a 5.0?

Wait someone that actually compared the 2 with their own eyes gave the 4k release a better PQ & someone that hasn't seen both versions keeps regurgitating the same thing over & over again.

Foolish theory.

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=1#vergleich

Overall they are both close to identical but in that one shot the orignal release is clearly better, and since the orignal release has extra content and the MI4K version doesn't even have a PQ advantage at all, then that makes the MI4K version a complete waste of space.

[Sherlock_Jr]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Watch out we have a

Yes this is a money grab. Have they ever fixed the total recall problem? No

Why are some of these BD not working on there own players?

It's because they rushed these. Spiderman 2 has framing issues

Well, learn proper English and grammar, then the police wouldn't be out. It kind of devalues your argument when the language isn't even correct, you know? Makes you look and sound less than intelligent. Don't get butt hurt because I called you out.

And no, it's not money grab. Every title looks clearly better. And since you don't work at Sony, so you don't know any details about anything being rushed or not.

And what are you comparing SM2's framing to? The DVD? You believe that was 100% correct? If anything, DVD tech was NOT up to the standards of blu-ray, hence improper framing, massive DNR, EE, etc. Blu's most often CORRECT problems the DVDs had.

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Sherlock_Jr

Well, learn proper English and grammar, then the police wouldn't be out. It kind of devalues your argument when the language isn't even correct, you know? Makes you look and sound less than intelligent. Don't get butt hurt because I called you out.

And no, it's not money grab. Every title looks clearly better. And since you don't work at Sony, so you don't know any details about anything being rushed or not.

And what are you comparing SM2's framing to? The DVD? You believe that was 100% correct? If anything, DVD tech was NOT up to the standards of blu-ray, hence improper framing, massive DNR, EE, etc. Blu's most often CORRECT problems the DVDs had.

Every title looks better? Do you own a HDTV or is it a B/W TV?

It's different than the old BD. When did I ever bring up the DVD?

[marine92104]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...ss=1#vergleich

Overall they are both close to identical but in that one shot the orignal release is clearly better, and since the orignal release has extra content and the MI4K version doesn't even have a PQ advantage at all, then that makes the MI4K version a complete waste of space.

First of all I would never buy or not buy a movie off of screen grabs.

The only thing I can tell from that screen grab is one is darker contrast wise than the other.

I don't see less detail on the 4k than I do on the other. So where is the clearly better?

I would trust a review of the movie over a screen grab any day.

[marine92104]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Every title looks better? Do you own a HDTV or is it a B/W TV?

It's different than the old BD. When did I ever bring up the DVD?

Slightly different. Just like other releases that I've rebought.

It's not the big deal you're making it out to be.

The PQ definitely makes it a nonissue once you've seen the actual disc on your TV.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by marine92104

First of all I would never buy or not buy a movie off of screen grabs.

The only thing I can tell from that screen grab is one is darker contrast wise than the other.

I don't see less detail on the 4k than I do on the other. So where is the clearly better?

I would trust a review of the movie over a screen grab any day.

The MI4K version looks almost washed out with the increased brightness, the orignal release has deeper black levels and better resolved grain in that shot. In fact many other shots are the same with the MIN4K version not having any more detail but rather slightly higher brightness which if anything has a negative effect.

[marine92104]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

The MI4K version looks almost washed out with the increased brightness, the orignal release has deeper black levels and better resolved grain in that shot. In fact many other shots are the same with the MIN4K version not having any more detail but rather slightly higher brightness which if anything has a negative effect.

Again you're looking at a screen grab not a picture in motion.

I have bought Blu-rays off of screen grabs in the beginning & when I got the Blu-ray I liked it less than the one I already had. One I purchased specifically because the screen grab seemed better contrast & colors more vibrant.

When I received the disc I very much preferred the one I had already owned.

I will never again purchase a Blu-ray off of a screen grab.

And as far as grain resolution everyone of the 4k mastered Blu-rays that I have purchased the grain is better resolved on the 4k version. The higher bitrate makes the grain less obvious & more movie like.

Get the 2 Blu-rays & compare them side by side in motion. It would be interesting to see if comparing side by side in motion you could see one brighter than the other one.

[marine92104]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

The MI4K version looks almost washed out with the increased brightness, the orignal release has deeper black levels and better resolved grain in that shot. In fact many other shots are the same with the MIN4K version not having any more detail but rather slightly higher brightness which if anything has a negative effect.

Again you're looking at a screen grab not a picture in motion.

I have bought Blu-rays off of screen grabs in the beginning & when I got the Blu-ray liked it less than the one I already had. One I purchased specifically because the screen grab seemed better contrast & colors more vibrant.

When I received the disc I very much preferred the one I had already owned.

I will never again purchase a Blu-ray off of a screen grab.

Get the 2 Blu-rays & compare them side by side in motion. It would be interesting to see if comparing side by side in motion you could see one brighter than the other one.

As as far as grain resolution every one of the 4k mastered Blu-rays that I own the higher bitrate resolves the grain better. It is less obvious & more film like.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by marine92104

Again you're looking at a screen grab not a picture in motion.

You understand that motion pictures are comprised of individual frames, right?

[MifuneFan]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

You understand that motion pictures are comprised of individual frames, right?

what sorcery is this!

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

what sorcery is this!

Things - Zoetrope - YouTube

[MifuneFan]

I'd hoped that's what you'd post (well I was expecting a gif). I should try and make my own one day, I think it would be fun.

[marine92104]

Originally Posted by blu-ray_girl_fan

You understand that motion pictures are comprised of individual frames, right?

Of course I do.

A lot of factors go into screen grabs.

Ask a lot of the reviewers & ask their opinion on screen grabs.

First of all the Blu-ray player that is catching the screen grab. I have several different Blu-ray players & my Kuro is ISF calibrated to specs by JoeRod on AVs Forums.

Each of my Blu-ray players will display the picture slightly different than the other. One is slightly lighter, the other is slightly darker. I bought a player one time that skewed slightly towards red.

My Sony changer will give me a lighter picture than my Oppo, etc.

Also the reviewers that I follow will tell you that when you're watching a movie the naked eye will not be able to see that individual screen cell moving at normal speed.

Do an A/B of that title at normal speed & see if you can tell the difference? I think you will be hard pressed to see the difference.

When I started my collection I went off of screen grabs. Now being more experienced I go off of reviews & when possible rent the copy I didn't buy & A/B them myself.

It makes more sense to see what you see with your own eyes versus seeing a single cell that your eyes won't see at normal speed & making a judgment call.

I would trust the review on this site versus watching a certain film cell stopped not knowing the player & how it displays the picture etc. I bet if you watched it at normal speed you wouldn't be seeing washed out colors.

I don't think you will ever accept that. Sony is a bad company. They are evil. They want all of your money. Etc, etc, etc.

[TDSOTM]

I don't understand what you're trying to prove here. If one frame of a particular edition is better than one frame of another edition, then you know which one you should buy.

I'm not criticizing Sony's 4K campaign at all, but it was a cashgrab to some extent. Some 4K titles don't offer better picture (Taxi Driver, Battle LA), some of them have framing issues (SM2), and most of them don't feature any extra material.

There's exactly zero reason to buy, for example, the 4K edition of Taxi Driver, because PQ is exactly the same and the old edition is much better in the ramaining aspects, plus it's cheaper.

[double_l4488]

So what would be guesses for another set of these?

Some of those they did on superbit, hopefully. Not sure what newer, Spiderman 3, I would assume.

[Irrob]

I'm with marine on this one. I have seen them. The SM2 "framing issue" is not an issue at all. And both SM and SM2 offer better picture quality than the previous release. Those of you reviewing without the discs on hand are not in an ideal position.

[Ben_R]

Originally Posted by Sherlock_Jr

Well, learn proper English and grammar, then the police wouldn't be out. It kind of devalues your argument when the language isn't even correct, you know? Makes you look and sound less than intelligent. Don't get butt hurt because I called you out.

Corrected below for you

Originally Posted by Sherlock_Jr

If you used the correct English and grammar the grammar police wouldn't catch you out! It devalues your argument when the language used isn't correct and it makes you look and sound less than intelligent.

Don't get upset because I attempted to correct your mistakes, it is easily done. Even I failed miserably

[Geoff D]

I compared the two versions of Battle LA last night, and I prefer the Mi4K. There's only a very, very slight difference, mind you. The original BD's grain is neither here nor there; not heavy enough to be stylised, not light enough to be imperceptible, and it looks a teensy bit smeary. The Mi4K smoothes out the grain just a touch, especially in the darker areas of the picture (which you can see in the caps), and in motion it creates a greater sense of sharpness without it looking waxy or overly processed.

Is there more actual detail than the regular release? No. Would I have bought it, if I didn't get it for free with my TV? No, because unlike Spider-Man or Ghostbusters there isn't a new transfer, only a tweak of the existing 4K master.

I'll be chiming in with my thoughts on the other Mi4K freebies I've received.

[marine92104]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I compared the two versions of Battle LA last night, and I prefer the Mi4K. There's only a very, very slight difference, mind you. The original BD's grain is neither here nor there; not heavy enough to be stylised, not light enough to be imperceptible, and it looks a teensy bit smeary. The Mi4K smoothes out the grain just a touch, especially in the darker areas of the picture (which you can see in the caps), and in motion it creates a greater sense of sharpness without it looking waxy or overly processed.

Is there more actual detail than the regular release? No. Would I have bought it, if I didn't get it for free with my TV? No, because unlike Spider-Man or Ghostbusters there isn't a new transfer, only a tweak of the existing 4K master.

I'll be chiming in with my thoughts on the other Mi4K freebies I've received.

Thank Geoff.

A person that has actually seen & compared the two with their own eyes. It sounds like what you experienced goes right along with the review that was posted on this site.

Finally a voice of reason.

[marine92104]

Originally Posted by Irrob

I'm with marine on this one. I have seen them. The SM2 "framing issue" is not an issue at all. And both SM and SM2 offer better picture quality than the previous release. Those of you reviewing without the discs on hand are not in an ideal position.

Again a voice of reason.

Someone that has actually watched the disc with their own eyes & can actually say they prefer the new discs.

It's funny how the people that have actually purchased the ones with the new transfers & say the SM2 is not a big deal as far as framing goes (I agree) & that the PQ is better than the old disc.

I haven't heard anyone complaining about these other than the people don't have the discs & haven't seen them in person.

The biggest thing I like about these is the way they handle the grain with the higher bitrate. That is a huge thing to me. The grain is not obtrusive. It is more refined & the film is more film like.

The film is sharper but again not obtrusive it's just a sharper transfer & the colors are slightly more vivid.