Archived: Insiders Thread

[ckenisell]

I think the thing that disappoints me the most about this is that HD-DVD supporters have done a REALLY good job of spinning/FUDDING, but IT'S WORKING! And the Blu-Ray group seems to do nothing about it. They spread lie after lie after lie and NOBODY challenges it. It's like we just ignore them because we believe we already won. Why are there so many news reports that give HD-DVD so much credit? Is Toshiba/Microsoft paying them off? Why does HD-DVD get so much press and why does the press I read always seem to slant toward the HD-DVD side?

[phloyd]

Originally Posted by darinp2

They probably want the middle ground, where the copy protection is enough that others need them, but not too difficult for even them to break it. Maybe BD+ is making them sweat.

That middle ground is AACS. That is why they love HD DVD. It is little work for them to continue being a key purchase.

On the other hand, BD+ is something that creates (potentially) new work for every BD+ encoded title.

[Sir Terrence]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

No. Incredibles will be at least 2009 and probably 2010. Finding Nemo is the catalog title for next year, and Toy Story 1/2 are 2010

You beat me dang it

[HK-48]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

I think the thing that disappoints me the most about this is that HD-DVD supporters have done a REALLY good job of spinning/FUDDING, but IT'S WORKING! And the Blu-Ray group seems to do nothing about it. They spread lie after lie after lie and NOBODY challenges it. It's like we just ignore them because we believe we already won. Why are there so many news reports that give HD-DVD so much credit? Is Toshiba/Microsoft paying them off? Why does HD-DVD get so much press and why does the press I read always seem to slant toward the HD-DVD side?

Well microsoft and NBC and some influence of course with MSNBC, and the recent FUD about attach rates was challenged by the BDA. Although I do agree that the BDA needs to deal with all the FUD HD DVD puts out.

[sj001]

Paidgeek - I just watched the Director's Cut version of Close Encounters of the Third Kind last night. I was utterly amazed! It was like watching a movie that just came out this year! The picture and sound quality was stellar, and those scenes with the mothership gave my subwoofer more of a workout than anything I think I have ever heard. Just wanted to pass along a big thank you and congrats to you and your crew for such an excellent job!!!

[Neo65]

paid or others,

Someone commented that Harry Potter on BD is bigger (has more bytes) than the HDDVD version. There's speculation that this is either from higher bitrate encodes. There's also other speculation that it's just the PiP track.

Does anyone know what is the reason why the BD version is so much bigger?

[hoser]

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

I just watched this movie on HD-NET Movies a few nights ago.

Me too....it was awesome, to say the least.

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by Neo65

paid or others,

Someone commented that Harry Potter on BD is bigger (has more bytes) than the HDDVD version. There's speculation that this is either from higher bitrate encodes. There's also other speculation that it's just the PiP track.

Does anyone know what is the reason why the BD version is so much bigger?

It looks like it's likely the uncompressed PCM track.

[Frode]

Thanks for that scan - it has to be the video bitrate being upped then. Only the main audio track is LPCM, and with the extras being in 480i/p that means they won't take up all the extra space in question.

[blitz6speed]

Video encode is the same on both. The blu-ray has more features and extras then the HD DVD, which is why its bigger. Also, a PCM track is twice as big as a TrueHD track, so that also makes it bigger.

[Frode]

Video encode is the same on both. The blu-ray has more features and extras then the HD DVD, which is why its bigger. Also, a PCM track is twice as big as a TrueHD track, so that also makes it bigger.

20GB bigger? The difference between a LPCM and THD track in this case is about 2.5GB. That better be a lot of extras you're talking about .

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=24531

[blitz6speed]

Originally Posted by Frode

20GB bigger? The difference between a LPCM and THD track in this case is about 2.5GB. That better be a lot of extras you're talking about .

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=24531

For one thing, blu-ray has more overhead, so automatically when you have the same audio/video encode, the BD is bigger by 1-2 gigs usually. Ontop of that, you have the PCM extra space, and i think the BD has like 10 language tracks on the disc that the HD doesnt, including exclusive extras. Trust me, the video is 100% IDENTICAL. If you were hoping it wasnt and thinking the space difference proves it, i have watched both and they are identical for hp5. I assure you of this. Warner isnt going to do BD specific encodes till it drops hd-dvd.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

This is easy since I just watched this movie on HD-NET Movies a few nights ago:

Ronin

Oh, and Jean Reno said the line.

Too easy, eh?
Well then, in honor of Thanksgiving, let’s see if you or anyone else can just name the three movies that the following quotes come from…………..

1. “O.K. pilgrim.” ( Rob you really should know this without even thinking, just reiterating)

2. "What you got on the spit pilgrim? (AlaskaDon probably knows this one)

3. “Whoa, take her easy there, Pilgrim.” (I think the word “pilgrim” was used over 20 times in this film).

Here's a gimmie..................
“Happy Thanksgiving Pilgrims” ……..
by Penton-Man blu-ray.com 11/22/07

P.S.
NO GOOGLING !

[Frode]

10 extra language tracks at DD640 would be about equivalent to one and a half extra LPCM tracks, or 7GB if you will. Add that with some fudge factor to the main track difference, and you get 10GB. That would fit with Azkaban, but not OotP. Do you have a link to detailed comparison specs for the different discs in question available anywhere? Amazon is useless I've discovered as they just copy+paste.

[WickyWoo]

Phoenix has some kind of extra documentary on it that isn't on the HD DVD

EDIT- A&E documentary: The Hidden Secrets of Harry Potter

Probably 40min+ and if it's in HD would certainly explain that extra 10 GB

The question is: Are those languages on the disc but not on the packaging? Since the title is region free it would make sense for Warner to dub all the Eurodubs on there...

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

The lack of DTS-HD MA on the PS3 is one thing, but the simple fact that Sony won't even address this is just plain stupid at this point.

I agree - insiders anyone who can kick SCEA's butts to get this friggin dts-MA firmware upgrade done already, it would be greatly appreciated.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I agree - insiders anyone who can kick SCEA's butts to get this friggin dts-MA firmware upgrade done already, it would be greatly appreciated.

Found this little snippet, at least it gives hope that they ARE working on this and hopefully it will be out.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...ter_Audio/1012

Although the current cost of a high-end receiver capable of decoding the tracks via bitstream is likely to keep DTS-HD Master Audio out of the hands of all but the most dedicated home theater enthusiasts, word on the street is that DTS is working with Sony to add internal DTS-MA decoding to the PS3 before Christmas. In addition, for those who do not require more powerful wattage per channel, the 90 watt per channel Onkyo TX-SR605 is available for as low as $399 from some online retailers and also has DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD decoding.

[cking2729]

Originally Posted by sj001

Found this little snippet, at least it gives hope that they ARE working on this and hopefully it will be out.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...ter_Audio/1012

Awesome. Exactly what I have, and that's the exact reason I bought it. There have been lots of updates rumored for December, though. If even half of it holds true, 2.02 and/or 2.03 should be loaded with goodies!

[Chris Beveridge]

I hope so, I have a lot of Fox movies I'm not watching yet in hopes for DTS-MA decoding or passthrough since I have a Onkyo 605. I liked the DTS core tracks well enough, but some movies I want to hear it in lossless only. I don't have time to rewatch films these days...

[sj001]

Originally Posted by Chris Beveridge

I hope so, I have a lot of Fox movies I'm not watching yet in hopes for DTS-MA decoding or passthrough since I have a Onkyo 605. I liked the DTS core tracks well enough, but some movies I want to hear it in lossless only. I don't have time to rewatch films these days...

Yep, I have a 605, and I have pretty much heard that the PS3 will NEVER be able to bitstream these formats. So I really hope they get this internal decoding snafu figured out soon. Or, maybe they already have, and are just waiting for more of the standalones to get it. Can any Insiders perhaps shed any additional light on this?