Archived: Insiders Thread

[Mr_Bester]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Just returned from S.F.

Were you a ranch hand????

[kjack]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Kjack, maybe you can recruit saleen001 as an insider for us here?

Assimilation started...

[darinp2]

Any insiders feel like giving the latest state of affairs in Japan?

I'm partially shilling for a thread I started in the movie section about how well it looks like the latest Pirates 3 movie is going to do in Japan. Here:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=25512

I would be interested in hearing what any insiders think about that situation with the #1 box office draw in Japan this year getting released on BD there in the next few days, along with whether some important parties (Warner, Time Warner, New Line, and Universal specifically) are paying an appropriate amount of attention to what is happening in Japan.

--Darin

[TheLion]

Dear paidgeek,

"good" old highdefdigest (disturbingly still the most influencial online HDM review source...) is reporting that your upcoming "Damages: Frist season" BD release will provide "standard Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround only" - making it the very first SPHE release without lossless audio.

I fully expect this to be false information but would still like to hear official word from you! Thank you very much as always.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...n_Blu-ray/1210

Little feedback - Close Encounters is another splendid SPHE release - great packaging, outstanding transfer. It really does Spielberg's first HDM release full justice.

Little "request" - I would very much enjoy SPHE releasing other "true special editions" like CEotTK. Warner is doing an outstanding job (for once) with their Bladerunner and Harry Potter specials this quarter. Can we expect simular treatment from SPHE at least for upcoming classics like Lawrence? (-not just standard packaging with a fancy (slip) cover but a true collectors piece)

[Rio]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

It’s a pity though to treat saleen001 that way by just outright deleting his post(s) because apparently he is more of a consumer electronics insider (working in the business) than most people there, certainly more so than people like David Vaughn who just commentates on what they are fed from some in the business.

From his post history, he is a Pioneer guy and not look like just a sale rep.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Kjack, maybe you can recruit saleen001 as an insider for us here?
He could help you out and answer some of the questions that Talkstr8t would normally address. He sounds like a very astute fellow and I never got to read his answer as to what type of car he drives, if indeed I was on the right track with his user name.

I feel sorry if any fair-minded insiders (from both camps) has to participate in the Insider Thread of that neutral forum. It's so irritating place, mainly due to the few ill-minded participants from the 800lb. gorilla company. Without of them, fanboys over there wouldn't have so much distorted information .

[PaulGo]

Probably lhe last post by Richard J. Casey of R&B Films, on AVS a must read!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post12369611

[darkedgex]

Originally Posted by TheLion

Little "request" - I would very much enjoy SPE releasing other "true special editions" like CEotTK. Warner is doing an outstanding job (for once) with their Bladerunner and Harry Potter specials this quarter. Can we expect simular treatment from SPE at least for upcoming classics like Lawrence? (-not just standard packaging with a fancy (slip) cover but a true collectors piece)

Actually, don't give too much credit to Warner. Bladerunner at least is just one Blu-ray Disc packed in with four DVDs as I recall. Heck, even Ocean's 13 has mostly SD extras (the only HD extra is the deleted scenes).

[blu2]

Originally Posted by darkedgex

Actually, don't give too much credit to Warner. Bladerunner at least is just one Blu-ray Disc packed in with four DVDs as I recall.

That's incorrect, based on http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...D,_Blu-ray/846

[sj001]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Probably lhe last post by Richard J. Casey of R&B Films, on AVS a must read!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post12369611

I can't believe the people over there show him so much disrespect (well, I can actually). I'm glad he decided to get out of there, and nice rebuke against Amir, not that it counts for anything with him, like talking to a brick wall. But Richard pretty much said it right, the only reason that forum exists is to argue apparently, not to learn.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Probably lhe last post by Richard J. Casey of R&B Films, on AVS a must read!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post12369611

Well, this is the bottom line and we here all know what’s going on and what has been going on at AVS for months….. if you are a longtime reader of Richard’s postings there.
Let’s just call a spade a spade shall we…..and cut to the chase.
That whole mess of a thread they have there has little to do with Richard’s theories concerning audio quality and that is hardly the reason why the attack ants were let loose en masse.

Amir promoted the VC-1 codec as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Nothing could compare to it. Don’t you remember the months and months of chastisement of MPEG-2 codec and then the AVC codec? And then more recently, the campaign to convince viewers that low bitrate VC-1 is transparent to the source.

Richard dared to debunk that gospel weeks ago by producing (out of his own pocket) a title using different bitrates on the Blu-ray and HD DVD versions and went so far as claiming after the release that in some cases AVC was a superior codec to VC-1 !

He summed it up in his own words nicely in his last post……..

Originally posted by RBFilms…….
* Nature's Journey was our next release aimed at perfecting some of our techniques and maximizing both formats capabilities. We chose to go with the Video Encode rates we did saw that we could get continued improvements in VC-1 up to about 24mbps to 26mbps.

* While VC-1 performs well at lower bit rates, it is our opinion that AVC offers performance improvements at higher bandwidth rates.

* MPEG-2 also looks great at even higher bandwidth rates ... but is a bandwidth hog and the newer, updated, most current CODECS are now capable of great results at 24mbps to 26mpbs ... which is the sweet spot for both VC-1 and AVC in our professional opinion.

What he did and what he said was unforgivable in the eyes of the red ants in their adoration of the mother red ant and so, retribution was in order. That whole “debate” about audio in which he was essentially tarred and feathered was just a vehicle for that retribution. They never forgave him in the first place when he questioned the preaching and practices of the A#1 messiah.

What I find especially nauseating is that Ken the Hammer (the super mod) interjected his own opinion at the end, rather than keeping his mouth shut – which he should have done as a moderator at a “neutral” forum. Ken did the same damn thing when Bill Hunt last came on to AVS to answer some questions and he was pummeled unmercifully by many, to which Ken was a contributor.

I’m just glad that I got that referral into Richard on page 21 regarding people in the biz before Richard decided to bolt because I would say that those three individuals are more familiar (and have more experience) with the Red One camera and Red workflow than anyone else outside of the folks in Lake Forest. I’m content in that I feel I did my little modest part to get him on the right track to give us another Blu-ray production that pushes the envelope for video and audio quality. It’s nice to see some folks made the effort to thank Richard at the end of that thread.

P.S.
That forum is good at one thing.......pissing off a broad range of insiders (as long as they don't work for MS) as yesterday it was saleen001 and today we have Richard Casey.

[sj001]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, this is the bottom line and we here all know what’s going on and what has been going on at AVS for months….. if you are a longtime reader of Richard’s postings there.
Let’s just call a spade a spade shall we…..and cut to the chase.
That whole mess of a thread they have there has little to do with Richard’s theories concerning audio quality and that is hardly the reason why the attack ants were let loose en masse.

Amir promoted the VC-1 codec as the greatest thing since sliced bread. Nothing could compare to it. Don’t you remember the months and months of chastisement of MPEG-2 codec and then the AVC codec? And then more recently, the campaign to convince viewers that low bitrate VC-1 is transparent to the source.

Richard dared to debunk that gospel weeks ago by producing (out of his own pocket) a title using different bitrates on the Blu-ray and HD DVD versions and went so far as claiming after the release that in some cases AVC was a superior codec to VC-1 !

He summed it up in his own words nicely in his last post……..


What he did and what he said was unforgivable in the eyes of the red ants in their adoration of the mother red ant and so, retribution was in order. That whole “debate” about audio in which he was essentially tarred and feathered was just a vehicle for that retribution. They never forgave him in the first place when he questioned the preaching and practices of the A#1 messiah.

What I find especially nauseating is that Ken the Hammer (the super mod) interjected his own opinion at the end, rather than keeping his mouth shut – which he should have done as a moderator at a “neutral” forum. Ken did the same damn thing when Bill Hunt last came on to AVS to answer some questions and he was pummeled unmercifully by many, to which Ken was a contributor.

I’m just glad that I got that referral into Richard on page 21 regarding people in the biz before Richard decided to bolt because I would say that those three individuals are more familiar (and have more experience) with the Red One camera and Red workflow than anyone else outside of the folks in Lake Forest. I’m content in that I feel I did my little modest part to get him on the right track to give us another Blu-ray production that pushes the envelope for video and audio quality. It’s nice to see some folks made the effort to thank Richard at the end of that thread.

P.S.
That forum is good at one thing.......pissing off a broad range of insiders (as long as they don't work for MS) as yesterday it was saleen001 and today we have Richard Casey.

Hopefully Richard Casey will post on here.
We like people that develop better encodes for the BD format.

[jorg]

penton-man wouldent it be funny if all the insider just came to this fourm lol juts to piss avs off

[darkedgex]

Originally Posted by blu2

That's incorrect, based on http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...D,_Blu-ray/846

I read the article, and nothing in it refutes anything I said. I mean, I'd love to be proved wrong, but that didn't do it. =)

[Joe Cain]

Originally Posted by darkedgex

I read the article, and nothing in it refutes anything I said. I mean, I'd love to be proved wrong, but that didn't do it. =)

Try this?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Richard dared to debunk that gospel weeks ago by producing (out of his own pocket) a title using different bitrates on the Blu-ray and HD DVD versions and went so far as claiming after the release that in some cases AVC was a superior codec to VC-1 !
(

P.S.
One last note……. as I had forgotten.
Back awhile, Amir accused Richard online of not making a reasonable attempt to use MS to do the actual encode on his title….. in order to assure the best possible quality.

Richard countered by going into detail with timelines concerning the names of the exact people that he attempted to *connect with* to get something accomplished with MS with the conclusion that after about 2 months? of trying, it was just in vain and leading nowhere.

Red ants immediately jumped on Richard following that revelation and multiple posts were deleted with the Insider’s thread over there being locked at least once. This whole affair with Richard on AVS has history, as I stated above, and the recent thread that PaulGo linked us to is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

P.S.
That forum is good at one thing.......pissing off a broad range of insiders (as long as they don't work for MS) as yesterday it was saleen001 and today we have Richard Casey.

And right on cue...Amir comes into that thread, when he knows damn well Richard was done with it, and proceeds to throw a few condescending cheap shots in...

You're spot on with regards to Ken H's comments. Love how Amir then later tried to make it seem like Ken H meant that people were just talking past each other. Yeah right, if that's the case, then Ken H picked quite an odd phrase (out of Rich's long post) to use to point that out. Makes no sense.

Then of course the "screen shot queen" (probably Dave Mack's best friend ) comes in with a little cheap shot at this forum, and uses YOUR style of the coloring of words to denote bias. What a joke.

[PaulGo]

To add insult to injury after Richard's comments Amir had the nerve to want to hijack the thread by saying now that Richard is gone we can have some fun...

That guy is a sicko!

[dakota81]

I don't know. The last couple pages of the thread were not red vs. blu, vc-1 vs. avc, pcm vs. lossless or lossy, it was more about Richard Casey not trusting digital technologies. But in the end does it really matter? It's very clear he's more artist than engineer, and he's doing everything he can to create the best possible product. That's the bottom line.

[whippersnapper]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

To add insult to injury after Richard's comments Amir had the nerve to want to hijack the thread by saying now that Richard is gone we can have some fun...

That guy is a sicko!

I agree. I think that he is a demented loser who always wants to try bullying. I think his self image has somehow become tied up with the success or failure of HD-DVD. In the end, he essentially is a pathetic little man trying to promote a product of lesser quality.

[savage1984]

I would say he's more of a boy, the type of boy who got picked last always. Then when he got older and learned the ways of the darkside, he became the "picker". Now if someone doesn't pick his side, he sends his minions after them. Sad, really.