Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I sold back one or two 3DBD when I purchased the UHD and then decided I wouldn’t do more of that.

I only have 100 or so and I don’t think they are making many more.

My current projector ( Sony VW285ES) does 3D better than any display I’ve had before.

The 3D on my OLED is honestly better than in the cinema. If that packs up then I will get the Playstation VR (version 2). I don't have the room for a projector.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

My mentality is simple. If I can’t buy disc then I won’t be buying anymore movie.

You won't rent a stream?

[spider-neil]

I doubt disks will go away completely. The vinyl market is still going. 3D/4K/Blu-ray will just become incredibly niche (if it isn't already).

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That may change with two next gen consoles that can both play that stuff. It’s too early to rule it out.

That's wishful thinking. Both the PS3 and PS4 have BD drives. No help for declining BD sales.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

That's wishful thinking. Both the PS3 and PS4 have BD drives. No help for declining BD sales.

How do you know? The PS3 was launched back in 2006. Who is to say many millions bought Blu-ray because of the PS3 or PS4. The numbers may have been far worse without them. Blu-ray has been a viable market for a long time now.

[bhampton]

When PS3 launched it was the best blu Ray player available

I bought one just for the blu Ray capability

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

When PS3 launched it was the best blu Ray player available

I bought one just for the blu Ray capability

Very capable player.

[Steedeel]

It’s official. Halloween Kills has been cancelled. This year can just **** right off!

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

How do you know? The PS3 was launched back in 2006. Who is to say many millions bought Blu-ray because of the PS3 or PS4. The numbers may have been far worse without them. Blu-ray has been a viable market for a long time now.

And it's sales have been dropping for a number of years. I asked Bruce Ames who keeps a spread sheet based on the Home Media numbers if he would give some info on BD sales. he said he would, it will take a little while.

One of the criteria for any up tick in UHD-BD sales due to the new consoles is that a buyer has to have a 4K TV. You can't assume any numbers on how many do or will. Without the display, no reason to buy a UHD-BD.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

And it's sales have been dropping for a number of years. I asked Bruce Ames who keeps a spread sheet based on the Home Media numbers if he would give some info on BD sales. he said he would, it will take a little while.

One of the criteria for any up tick in UHD-BD sales due to the new consoles is that a buyer has to have a 4K TV. You can't assume any numbers on how many do or will. Without the display, no reason to buy a UHD-BD.

According to Statista.com, as of two years ago 31% of American households had a 4K TV which is almost twice what it was in 2017; it must be significantly higher by now as 4K TVs are pretty much all that are sold now.

"As of 2018, around 31 percent of U.S. television households made use of 4K Ultra HDTV products."

"In 2018, over 60 percent of all televisions sold in the U.S. contained UHD technology."

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...DTV%20products.

I could not easily find any newer info, but even back in 2018 4K TVs were making fast inroads into American homes.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Did they play an actual 4K disc for you? You have told us several times over more than a couple of years that you do not own and that you have not seen a 4K disc being played.

The point remains that you have not seen a 4K disc in a home setting under normal lighting and with correct TV settings. Further, you have not then compared a 4K stream of the same movie viewed under the exact same circumstances. In other words, you have made no comparison of a 4K disc to a 4K stream. Stating that a 4K stream looks "just like" a 1080p blu-ray is not much to brag about even if it were true.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

That poster did the same thing about display calibration, tried to imply his display had been calibrated when it had not.

You guys are too much, keep your Discs and buy more. The prices will keep going up for them, The Studios or Indies will make them as long as you keep buying. They did show me 4K Movies at BB, but this will come as a shocker my cousin in Texas has a 4K TV setup. He is the one that has a professionally built HT with reclining chairs, but his Projector is not 4K. In his Family Room he does have a 4K TV with 4K Player, and Surround Sound System. We go there around Christmas time, and I have watched 4K Movies there like The Greatest Showman and Spider Man. I had forgotten about this, but this is all subjective anyway. I like Streaming, and IMO it looks just as good as Disc. You guys for what ever reason feel it doesn't. It's all personal opinion and everyone has their own.

[sapiendut]

How the disc prices are going up? In the last 4 months, at Amazon.ca, prices of discs have been dropping rather dramatically.

[sapiendut]

PS: it is not our OPINION that disc is better. We are stating FACT.

It’s your OPINION that streaming is as good disc, the FACT is it isn’t.

[oak table]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I had forgotten about this, but this is all subjective anyway. I like Streaming, and IMO it looks just as good as Disc. You guys for what ever reason feel it doesn't. It's all personal opinion and everyone has their own.

It is not subjective, there are more bits on a disc than than streaming services use for their encodes (ceteris paribus). It comes down to science.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You guys are too much, keep your Discs and buy more. The prices will keep going up for them, The Studios or Indies will make them as long as you keep buying. They did show me 4K Movies at BB, but this will come as a shocker my cousin in Texas has a 4K TV setup. He is the one that has a professionally built HT with reclining chairs, but his Projector is not 4K. In his Family Room he does have a 4K TV with 4K Player, and Surround Sound System. We go there around Christmas time, and I have watched 4K Movies there like The Greatest Showman and Spider Man. I had forgotten about this, but this is all subjective anyway. I like Streaming, and IMO it looks just as good as Disc. You guys for what ever reason feel it doesn't. It's all personal opinion and everyone has their own.

I buy discs. I buy a lot of them and I buy them often. Prices have NOT gone up. I would know, because unlike you, I actually buy the things. Those of us that buy discs know what they cost; this is just one more thing among a great many things that you know nothing about, but yet you comment upon them, anyways.

The only price increases that I have endured is for my internet service; it has risen 40% in three years with no improvements to the service. The only thing that has become more expensive is streaming thanks mostly to my insatiably greedy ISP.

No one cares that you like streaming censored content, but saying that a 4K stream looks, and sounds, as good as a 4K disc is factually not true. You may not care about the differences between them, but they are real.

Unless you compare a 4K disc to a 4K stream of the same movie on the same display, with correct settings, in the same viewing environment then you have made no comparison at all and therefore not only are you factually wrong, you do not even have a basis for an opinion. You can't say the two look the same when you have not seen the same movie both ways. You can not have an opinion about a comparison that you never made, Einstein.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

And it's sales have been dropping for a number of years. I asked Bruce Ames who keeps a spread sheet based on the Home Media numbers if he would give some info on BD sales. he said he would, it will take a little while.

One of the criteria for any up tick in UHD-BD sales due to the new consoles is that a buyer has to have a 4K TV. You can't assume any numbers on how many do or will. Without the display, no reason to buy a UHD-BD.

The vast majority who buy a 4K capable gaming machine are going to buy a 4K tv (or already own one) otherwise they might as well keep the PS4.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The vast majority who buy a 4K capable gaming machine are going to buy a 4K tv (or already own one) otherwise they might as well keep the PS4.

I'm gonna buy the PS5 with 4K disc drive and hook it up to this beauty:



In my opinion, it offers the same quality as this TV:


Sony 98" ZG9 8K TV $59,999.

I admit, though, that I have not compared them side by side with the same content.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by vilya

i'm gonna buy the ps5 with 4k disc drive and hook it up to this beauty:



in my opinion, it offers the same quality as this tv:


sony 98" zg9 8k tv $59,999.

I admit, though, that i have not compared them side by side with the same content.

:d.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

:d.

How much do you think sapiendut would charge me to calibrate that awesome TV?

Yeah, I meant the black and white one.

[Panther73]

Unfortunately disc sales are down again this year. Even during the pandemic, disc sales were up in April and May, then in June they were down again. I still believe that 4K Ultra blu-ray will be the LAST disc format. Boutique labels like: Shout! Factory, Arrow, Kino and others won’t be able to keep the physical format afloat. It really sucks that these sales keep going down every year. The writings on the wall and sometimes are hard to state that. All we can do is keeping buys physical until it is completely phased which is coming fast.