Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Nah, I’m not one for wanting to see people banned or suspended. I have never sent a message to mods asking for a thread to be looked at or a member to be removed. And.............I never will.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

It’s really not. Some of the senior mods would back me on this. I have never complained to mods about another poster with the exception of some guy who sent me spam.

[The_Donster]

This just in...get off your fat ass and stop binge watching everything WORLD �� In other news, I’m taking my son to see a movie ��

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Couldn’t help but laugh at a newspaper article I read in a well known U.K. newspaper this morning. A health specialist wrote about the harm of binge watching and even watching tv or other devices within a couple of hours of bedtime. She even suggested standing to watch tv for some of a show.

The recommendation was to press pause every 30 minutes and go take the dog for a walk, empty the dishwasher or grab a drink.

It’s not hard to see that future I listed several weeks ago. You have all been warned.

Restrictions on amount of time watching tv (or other screens)

Warnings to take exercise in between tv episodes (similar to how Apple Watch prompts you to stand up every so often)

Netflix and others bending to politicians power to release weekly episodes rather than altogether.

Pressure for 30 minutes episodes rather than 1 hour.

Software that causes a blackout if you go over government recommended viewing time (similar to screen time but more advanced)

Possible taxes

I stated this a while back and you guys (as usual) didn’t take it seriously.

But you will. . Something will be brewing here, in the last year alone such reports and recommendations have increased. The consumer as always, will suffer.

Forum rules state that when quoting a news story that the source be provided:

"If posting a news item, provide quote + a link to where you found the information."

Comply with the rules, especially as you require it so adamantly of everyone else.

It is just a health recommendation. From one person at that. Similar recommendations have been made for many years to benefit people who spend a lot of time at a computer.

There is nothing remotely mandatory about it. There are no proposed pieces of legislation anywhere in the world that I am aware of that would in any way restrict how we watch anything. No one is exerting pressure on content creators to limit episode length or to stagger episode release schedules, either.

Binge watching is not dependent upon episode length, anyway. The average streaming viewing session is four hours. Whether that means watching four one-hour episodes or eight half-hour episodes, people are watching an average of fours hours per session regardless; episode length has no impact upon this fact.

You are right about one thing: we do not take you seriously. I can not think of anyone who does. We "have been warned", and by you no less. All of this is just fear mongering from you as once again you provide no links to support a single thing contained in your It is impossible to see the future that you predict without getting inside your head and I can not imagine anyone wishing that upon themselves.

You take a simple health recommendation from one single person and from that you conjure up a litany of imaginary regulations, and taxes, that NO ONE has introduced in any legislative body upon the entire Earth. Show us any piece of actual proposed legislation from anywhere in the world that is attempting to do any of the ridiculous things that you list. Who has authored this "software", and what is it called, that governments will allegedly use to enforce these non-existent and unproposed rules?

The consumer is not suffering with you being the only likely exception. The consumer has more choices for entertainment than ever before and they can enjoy it however they damn well please. Most of us consumers are quite happy and we have never had it better.

[Dynamo of Eternia]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Binge watching is not dependent upon episode length, anyway. The average streaming viewing session is four hours. Whether that means watching four one-hour episodes or eight half-hour episodes, people are watching an average of fours hours per session regardless; episode length has no impact upon this fact.

Yup!

Also of note is that binge watching is a term that was coined mainly in reference to people watching several episodes of the same show back-to-back, especially with how easy it is to do with streaming these days.

But it's not like people sitting down and watching TV for four hours or more is anything new. It's just that back before there was any real common, viable way to watch many episodes in a row of a single series, they'd just watch different shows one after the other, and flip channels when/if necessary.

It's not like "binge watching" as we know it today is somehow substantially more of a health risk them someone sitting on their butt and watching several different shows or movies back to back has ever been.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

This just in...get off your fat ass and stop binge watching everything...

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[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Dynamo of Eternia

Yup!

Also of note is that binge watching is a term that was coined mainly in reference to people watching several episodes of the same show back-to-back, especially with how easy it is to do with streaming these days.

But it's not like people sitting down and watching TV for four hours or more is anything new. It's just that back before there was any real common, viable way to watch many episodes in a row of a single series, they'd just watch different shows one after the other, and flip channels when/if necessary.

It's not like "binge watching" as we know it today is somehow substantially more of a health risk them someone sitting on their butt and watching several different shows or movies back to back has ever been.

I was binge watching with my own physical media library long before streaming even existed. Before that I watched marathons of a given TV show being rerun on channels like TV Land and others.

Ironically, sports fans are among those that plant themselves in their Lazy Boy recliners for many hours at a time to watch the "big" game, sometimes one game after another, too, all while drinking full bodied beer and scarfing greasy snacks. As their beloved athletes burn calories, their fans consume them. A whole lot of them.

Somehow I doubt that sports fans would "sit still" for any of the restrictions that have been imagined by Steedeel. The one's that I know are a passionate and vocal bunch and no one is going to abridge their right to harden their arteries while watching their favorite teams compete.

[The_Donster]

Yep, my wife and I would watch anything from a 30 minute show to an hour one, usually the commentaries on physical media long before we started streaming. And as far as sitting still, forget about it. So again, much ado about nothing.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Yep, my wife and I would watch anything from a 30 minute show to an hour one, usually the commentaries on physical media long before we started streaming. And as far as sitting still, forget about it. So again, much ado about nothing.

I didn't binge watch anything until Streaming, it was always hit or miss with Discs to pick up where you left off. Streaming made it so much easier to binge. Also Movies and TV Shows on a Server make it so easier to watch segments. Loading Discs on a Player just doesn't cut it anymore to watch segments.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I didn't binge watch anything until Streaming, it was always hit or miss with Discs to pick up where you left off. Streaming made it so much easier to binge.

Binging means that you don't stop to watch something else. It shouldn't matter if the disc picks up where you left off because if you are binging then you won't be stopping in the middle of the show.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I didn't binge watch anything until Streaming, it was always hit or miss with Discs to pick up where you left off. Streaming made it so much easier to binge. Also Movies and TV Shows on a Server make it so easier to watch segments. Loading Discs on a Player just doesn't cut it anymore to watch segments.

It is just as easy to binge watch with discs as it is with any other method. Each disc in a multi-disc set of an entire TV show season typically contains roughly four hours of content. People who stream usually spend the same four hours per viewing session as those watching an entire single disc from a TV show box set would.

At the most you would likely only change discs one time if you chose to view for longer than four hours in a single viewing session. That's hardly a difficult task and anyone would likely be ready to take a brief break after watching for that long besides. If you have more than one disc player you could even have the next disc already loaded and ready to go saving you the complex task of swapping discs.

All modern disc players remember where you left off, so there is no need to tax your brain with the incredibly daunting task of remembering where you stopped. Personally, I have never had any trouble remembering what point I needed to resume from, but for those who find that to be terribly challenging, the player can remember for you.

As for watching segments, the A-B function on a disc player is easy to assign, view, and repeat as often as you like. Finding an exact playback location is much simpler and much faster with a disc than with streaming. The user interface with streaming is both clunky and slow; every time that you want to search ahead or go back, you have to wait for the content to buffer each and every time. Discs resume from any point instantly. Nothing beats a disc player for ease and speed of content navigation.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Yep, my wife and I would watch anything from a 30 minute show to an hour one, usually the commentaries on physical media long before we started streaming. And as far as sitting still, forget about it. So again, much ado about nothing.

I wouldn’t say ‘about nothing’. Bowel cancer, Diabetes, blood clots, cancer and heart disease are all considerations for these health experts. Sitting too long contributes to an increased risk factor for them all.

[Steedeel]

Netflix mobile only plan will be $3 a month. If they bring that to US or U.K. I think a huge chunk of people would drop their more expensive plan and go for that. Especially with the new Disney service coming up.

Digital- The race to the bottom.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Personally, I have never had any trouble remembering what point I needed to resume from, but for those who find that to be terribly challenging, the player can remember for you.

Some of the PBS science programs I record are 2 hours in length so I like to watch an hour then wait a day or two then watch the remaining hour. Using the Go To on the Oppo-203 makes it easy to dail-in the time I want to start from.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Netflix mobile only plan will be $3 a month. If they bring that to US or U.K. I think a huge chunk of people would drop their more expensive plan and go for that. Especially with the new Disney service coming up.

Digital- The race to the bottom.

Netflix is offering that plan in India where the average income is only $1670 per year. The cost is $2.80, actually. They are not offering it anywhere else. Content is only offered in standard definition, also. Nice try at misleading people by omitting these salient points.

"The new subscription tier from Netflix restricts the usage of the service to one mobile device — and permits only one concurrent stream — and offers the standard definition viewing (~480p)."

"company officials said today that there is currently no plan to expand this offering to other regions. "

"Hotstar, owned by Disney, currently leads the (India) market with over 300 million users. The ad-supported service offers about 80% of its catalog at no cost to users. Its yearly plan, which includes titles from HBO and Showtime, is priced at Rs 999 ($14.5)."

Contrast that with:

"Netflix is estimated to have less than two million subscribers in India."

https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/24/ne...plan-in-india/

Digital- another option, especially in poor developing nations.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I wouldn’t say ‘about nothing’. Bowel cancer, Diabetes, blood clots, cancer and heart disease are all considerations for these health experts. Sitting too long contributes to an increased risk factor for them all.

Health experts make health recommendations; they always have and they always will. It's kinda their job. What they don't do is make policy or enact laws. Government officials and elected legislators have that role.

Human choices have always had health consequences and that will never change. It will always be perfectly legal to be lazy, to eat unhealthy foods, to drink to excess, to smoke, to worry needlessly about contrived fears, and to binge watch content on a TV while doing any or all of the preceding.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I didn't binge watch anything until Streaming, it was always hit or miss with Discs to pick up where you left off. Streaming made it so much easier to binge. Also Movies and TV Shows on a Server make it so easier to watch segments. Loading Discs on a Player just doesn't cut it anymore to watch segments.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I wouldn’t say ‘about nothing’. Bowel cancer, Diabetes, blood clots, cancer and heart disease are all considerations for these health experts. Sitting too long contributes to an increased risk factor for them all.

I cannot decide which of these posts is the most ridiculous

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

[Show spoiler]

I cannot decide which of these posts is the most ridiculous

Alchav's post is the most ridiculous of the two. There is nothing difficult about binge watching with discs and accessing and playing segments is far easier with a disc player than with any streaming service's cumbersome user interface.

There is not anything factually incorrect with the other post when taken only as is; health experts are concerned with health issues. Excessive inactivity does have health consequences. It is just that the second post is simply stating the obvious and that makes it entirely unnecessary. It is as enlightening as telling me that pilots are concerned about aeronautical engineering.

The wild predictions he then fabricates from these obvious facts, those are beyond absurd.

[The_Donster]

Yeah, but Steedeel is implying that all of these health issues are caused by stream binge watching Vilya. As you said in another post, none of this is new to anyone. Which is why I think it is as stupid as alchav21 insinuating that binge watching digitally is easier than physical and they never binged before then

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

[Show spoiler]

Yeah, but Steedeel is implying that all of these health issues are caused by stream binge watching Vilya. As you said in another post, none of this is new to anyone. Which is why I think it is as stupid as alchav21 insinuating that binge watching digitally is easier than physical and they never binged before then

I agree with you; that's why I said that only if you take Steed's post in isolation from the larger context in which he has been using these beyond obvious statements as a springboard for his latest fear mongering.

In and of itself, his comment was benign, but he then uses it to feed his cancerous fear. I say "cancerous" because his endlessly baseless fears are all consuming for him. He talks of almost nothing else.

One poster is just woefully misinformed, the other one is perpetually paranoid.