The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 235 - Blu-ray Forum

professorwho · 02-10-2020, 08:07 PM

"Eh, we don't give a f**k about quality. Why waste time and money making something good when we can ship out something quick most people can't even see the flaws with?"

Gorgon · 02-10-2020, 08:17 PM

Even with my old and tired eyes I could see the banding in the screenshots.

Maybe getting Michael Bay fans as a test screen audience isn't the best idea.

Naiera · 02-12-2020, 01:33 PM

Since I already ripped it, here are the stats from the Japanese Promare.

[Show spoiler]

There's also a 5.1 track that I didn't rip, of course.

TThomas · 02-12-2020, 08:49 PM

RahXephon
German / French / Dutch Blu-ray by Dybex / Nipponart (not English friendly)

Nostalgic Twilight · 02-12-2020, 10:46 PM

I didn't have much time, but I wanted to create a few quick comparisons between Discotek's City Hunter BD and ADV's DVD. I was quite generous with the ADV screenshots and avoided ghosting (which was a miracle) but it still looks awful compared to the BD. I couldn't toss the DVDs in the trash quick enough, lol.

Comparison link:

Code:

https://slow.pics/c/F2aYR8iZ

Bitrate analysis:

NLScavenger · 02-12-2020, 10:50 PM

slowpics comparison links don't work on this forum for some reason, unless you put them in [code] tags.

Here is the link to comparison:

Code:

https://slow.pics/c/F2aYR8iZ

Nostalgic Twilight · 02-12-2020, 10:55 PM

Thanks for the tip. I was getting frustrated there.

EDIT: And it looks like I snagged the wrong frame on the last one. Oops.

Kyle15 · 02-12-2020, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naiera

Since I already ripped it, here are the stats from the Japanese Promare.

[Show spoiler]

There's also a 5.1 track that I didn't rip, of course.

It looks gorgeous! Hopefully the US disc is just as good.

TThomas · 02-13-2020, 06:40 PM

Pokemon Movie 9: Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea

German / English Blu-ray by Polyband, Region B locked

note: title screen in German, credits in English (but with German dubbing credits instead of the English)

Whilest bitrate is still fine, I noticed way more banding

Code:

Video
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Language                                 : English
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Audio #1
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Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
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Title                                    : Stereo
Language                                 : German
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Audio #2
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Format                                   : DTS XLL
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Title                                    : Stereo
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Menu
00:00:00.000                             : en:Chapter 01
00:09:06.629                             : en:Chapter 02
00:17:21.707                             : en:Chapter 03
00:25:43.291                             : en:Chapter 04
00:35:30.795                             : en:Chapter 05
00:44:00.596                             : en:Chapter 06
00:53:08.310                             : en:Chapter 07
01:01:45.702                             : en:Chapter 08
01:08:38.072                             : en:Chapter 09
01:17:12.502                             : en:Chapter 10
01:28:17.458                             : en:Chapter 11
01:41:49.478                             : en:Chapter 12

Dailyan · 02-13-2020, 11:36 PM

"Lupin III: Legend of the Gold of Babylon"

http://imgbox.com/g/K1W26icTBD

I forgot that I didn't upload Babylon caps when I did cap dumps of the VAP Blus. I don't know when the master was prepped but I would presume it was probably done when TMS remastered the TV specials, Nostradamus, and Dead or Alive.

SpaceBlackKnight · 02-14-2020, 03:08 AM

Caps for Legend of the Gold of Babylon looks jaw droppingly stunning!!! Looks like a 4k master to me and such lush grain intact!

A damn shame the 4k HDR presentations of The Castle of Cagliostro and Space Adventure don't look like this and ended up being smeary horsedump garbage fires.

Mangaranga · 02-14-2020, 08:14 PM

Does anyone have access to the Funimation release of Free! Dive to the Future and could post some screenshots from the OP?
The Home Video streams on their website suggest that they may have botched the home video masters and messed up the gamma.
Ironically enough, with the exception of episode 0, both the JP and US BDs for this show don't seem to be available anywhere, so it's not like I can check regardless of how much I really want to.

kevers7290 · 02-14-2020, 08:48 PM

Does anyone have a recommendation for ripping (legally purchased) Blu-ray discs in Linux? Is MakeMKV + VLC my best option? (Neoz, you can delete this post if it's not allowed.)

StefaanD · 02-15-2020, 10:42 AM

MakeMKV is my favourite app to rip an BD 1:1. I do it from time to time with series spanning several discs, and put in on a NAS.

On the very rare occasion I watch something on my iMac I use mpv, but 99,8% I watch my rips on a Apple TV with Infuse Pro.

Don't know on what you'll be viewing it, guess if you say VLC that it will be on a PC? So I suppose you also don't have a dedicated media player?

kevers7290 · 02-15-2020, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StefaanD

Don't know on what you'll be viewing it, guess if you say VLC that it will be on a PC? So I suppose you also don't have a dedicated media player?

Thanks for the reply. I generally run an HDMI cable from my PC to my Plasma display and use VLC to playback .mkv files. I recently built a PC and I'm running Linux Mint so I'm just looking for suggestions on how to get the most out of it. I have an LG BD drive and VLC already, I just need a good program for ripping BDs to .mkv and adding srt/ass files for playback.

Bonus question: does anyone know a program similar to imgBurn that can be used to verify bad sectors on pressed discs? Asking for a friend.

Naiera · 02-16-2020, 03:03 AM

What's VLC doing in terms of ripping?

MakeMKV does the ripping. It's what I always use.

SeaFox · 02-16-2020, 07:17 AM

I'm gonna join the chorus of "don't use VLC". MPV is the better choice at this point performance-wise. Also you mentioned you're on Mint, the new media player they debuted with 19.3 -- I think it's called Celluloid? It's using libmpv so there's an option right there if you're not happy with the (lack of) a UI on plain mpv.

emmet otter · 02-16-2020, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevers7290

I just need a good program for ripping BDs to .mkv and adding srt/ass files for playback.

I use Vidcoder to make my .mkv files to which I also add in separate .srt subs. It works fine.

Robbl · 02-16-2020, 03:09 PM

Don't use VLC. Use mpv instead.

Yuripa · 02-16-2020, 03:36 PM

Children of the Sea JP.

Screengrabs (MPC-HC + MadVr):

http://imgbox.com/g/YlLM7LBNJe

Birate viewer:

Mediainfo:

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Writing application            : MakeMKV v1.14.6 win(x64-release)
Writing library                : libmakemkv v1.14.6 (1.3.5/1.4.7) win(x64-release)

Video
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Duration                       : 1h 51mn
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_STATISTICS_TAGS               : BPS DURATION NUMBER_OF_FRAMES NUMBER_OF_BYTES SOURCE_ID

Audio #1
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Text
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Menu
00:00:00.000                   : ja:Chapitre 01
00:03:05.810                   : ja:Chapitre 02
00:11:01.369                   : ja:Chapitre 03
00:17:19.163                   : ja:Chapitre 04
00:23:45.799                   : ja:Chapitre 05
00:26:58.033                   : ja:Chapitre 06
00:32:25.068                   : ja:Chapitre 07
00:41:22.938                   : ja:Chapitre 08
00:48:05.674                   : ja:Chapitre 09
00:57:55.472                   : ja:Chapitre 10
01:06:12.760                   : ja:Chapitre 11
01:13:08.675                   : ja:Chapitre 12
01:19:02.279                   : ja:Chapitre 13
01:25:52.147                   : ja:Chapitre 14
01:35:20.131                   : ja:Chapitre 15
01:39:34.677                   : ja:Chapitre 16
01:44:42.234                   : ja:Chapitre 17
01:48:37.511                   : ja:Chapitre 18

Funny comparaison with the French edition (some screens are not frame perfect, didn't want to bother too much with that crap) :

Code:

https://slow.pics/c/viigyRxN

Some minor Banding on the Jp edition but nothing too disturbing, overall an excellent edition with strong visual and strong audio too.

02-12-2020, 01:33 PM	#4683
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	Promare JP Since I already ripped it, here are the stats from the Japanese Promare. [Show spoiler] There's also a 5.1 track that I didn't rip, of course.

02-12-2020, 10:46 PM	#4685
Nostalgic Twilight Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2015 Location:USA Blu-ray collection:436 DVD collection:390 Trading Score:20	I didn't have much time, but I wanted to create a few quick comparisons between Discotek's City Hunter BD and ADV's DVD. I was quite generous with the ADV screenshots and avoided ghosting (which was a miracle) but it still looks awful compared to the BD. I couldn't toss the DVDs in the trash quick enough, lol. Comparison link: Code: https://slow.pics/c/F2aYR8iZ Bitrate analysis: Last edited by Nostalgic Twilight; 02-12-2020 at 10:55 PM.

02-12-2020, 10:55 PM	#4687
Nostalgic Twilight Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2015 Location:USA Blu-ray collection:436 DVD collection:390 Trading Score:20	Thanks for the tip. I was getting frustrated there. EDIT: And it looks like I snagged the wrong frame on the last one. Oops. Last edited by Nostalgic Twilight; 02-12-2020 at 11:03 PM.

02-14-2020, 08:14 PM	#4692
Mangaranga Senior Member Member since:Oct 2014	Does anyone have access to the Funimation release of Free! Dive to the Future and could post some screenshots from the OP? The Home Video streams on their website suggest that they may have botched the home video masters and messed up the gamma. Ironically enough, with the exception of episode 0, both the JP and US BDs for this show don't seem to be available anywhere, so it's not like I can check regardless of how much I really want to. Last edited by Mangaranga; 02-14-2020 at 08:20 PM.

02-10-2020, 08:07 PM	#4681
professorwho Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Apr 2017 4K collection:229 Blu-ray collection:982 Blu-ray reviews: 64 Trading Score:7	"Eh, we don't give a f**k about quality. Why waste time and money making something good when we can ship out something quick most people can't even see the flaws with?"

02-10-2020, 08:17 PM	#4682
Gorgon Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2015 Location:Great White North Trading Score:32	Even with my old and tired eyes I could see the banding in the screenshots. Maybe getting Michael Bay fans as a test screen audience isn't the best idea.

02-12-2020, 08:49 PM	#4684
TThomas Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2019	RahXephon German / French / Dutch Blu-ray by Dybex / Nipponart (not English friendly)

02-12-2020, 10:50 PM	#4686
NLScavenger Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:833 Trading Score:9	slowpics comparison links don't work on this forum for some reason, unless you put them in [code] tags. Here is the link to comparison: Code: https://slow.pics/c/F2aYR8iZ

02-13-2020, 11:36 PM	#4690
Dailyan Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Feb 2015 Location:Beyond the Blue Horizon 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:2251 DVD collection:197 Blu-ray reviews: 58 Trading Score:56	"Lupin III: Legend of the Gold of Babylon" http://imgbox.com/g/K1W26icTBD I forgot that I didn't upload Babylon caps when I did cap dumps of the VAP Blus. I don't know when the master was prepped but I would presume it was probably done when TMS remastered the TV specials, Nostradamus, and Dead or Alive.

02-14-2020, 03:08 AM	#4691
SpaceBlackKnight Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2018 4K collection:25 Blu-ray collection:346 Digital collection:20	Caps for Legend of the Gold of Babylon looks jaw droppingly stunning!!! Looks like a 4k master to me and such lush grain intact! A damn shame the 4k HDR presentations of The Castle of Cagliostro and Space Adventure don't look like this and ended up being smeary horsedump garbage fires.

02-14-2020, 08:48 PM	#4693
kevers7290 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2009 Trading Score:257	Does anyone have a recommendation for ripping (legally purchased) Blu-ray discs in Linux? Is MakeMKV + VLC my best option? (Neoz, you can delete this post if it's not allowed.)

02-15-2020, 10:42 AM	#4694
StefaanD Senior Member Top contributor Member since:May 2010 4K collection:95 Blu-ray collection:5503 DVD collection:606 Blu-ray reviews:1	MakeMKV is my favourite app to rip an BD 1:1. I do it from time to time with series spanning several discs, and put in on a NAS. On the very rare occasion I watch something on my iMac I use mpv, but 99,8% I watch my rips on a Apple TV with Infuse Pro. Don't know on what you'll be viewing it, guess if you say VLC that it will be on a PC? So I suppose you also don't have a dedicated media player?

02-16-2020, 03:03 AM	#4696
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	What's VLC doing in terms of ripping? MakeMKV does the ripping. It's what I always use.

02-16-2020, 07:17 AM	#4697
SeaFox Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2012 Location:Midwest, U.S. 4K collection:15 Blu-ray collection:234 DVD collection:62 Digital collection:6 iTunes collection:5 Prime collection:1 Trading Score:3	I'm gonna join the chorus of "don't use VLC". MPV is the better choice at this point performance-wise. Also you mentioned you're on Mint, the new media player they debuted with 19.3 -- I think it's called Celluloid? It's using libmpv so there's an option right there if you're not happy with the (lack of) a UI on plain mpv.

02-16-2020, 03:09 PM	#4699
Robbl Active Member Member since:Jan 2018	Don't use VLC. Use mpv instead.

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