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NLScavenger · 10-28-2023, 09:16 PM

Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo - Discotek Media SDBD

Video seems to be mostly telecined, but there are definitely some 60i elements like text.

Forgot how bonkers the series was. It aired very briefly in the Netherlands before cancellation. Guess it was too much for Dutch kids lol.

BDInfo Disc 1

Code:

Disc Title:     Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo
Disc Label:     BOBOBO_BO_BOBOBO 1
Disc Size:      48,910,389,652 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       00000.MPLS
Size:           47,528,594,496 bytes
Length:         16:48:30.016
Total Bitrate:  6.28 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 5,000 kbps / 480i / 29.970 fps / 4:3 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -27dB
Audio:          Japanese / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -27dB
Subtitle:       English / 1.90 kbps
Subtitle:       English / 21.99 kbps

Bitrate episode 01

Code:

Disc Title:     Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo
Disc Label:     BOBOBO_BO_BOBOBO 1
Disc Size:      48,910,389,652 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       Episode 01
Size:           1,221,498,624 bytes
Length:         0:25:55.086
Total Bitrate:  6.28 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 5,001 kbps / 480i / 29.970 fps / 4:3 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -27dB
Audio:          Japanese / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -27dB
Subtitle:       English / 1.66 kbps
Subtitle:       English / 20.89 kbps

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There are still a number of Discotek titles from my recent haul that I want to take screencaps of. Dunno when I'll get around to them. Busy watching BDs and playing Switch games lately lol. Will make time for a comparison of Dynit's Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood BD when it arrives hopefully on Friday or Saturday.

CrashOveride95 · 11-09-2023, 10:56 AM

Crying Freeman screenshots from a friend, it's 720p but I think it shows how good the underlying remaster is well: https://postimg.cc/gallery/FQsbm03
(I tried to keep it SFW but some are borderline)

Haris Vassios · 11-09-2023, 12:59 PM

Hello. This is my first comment on this thread but i've been lurking around for a couple of weeks. I've tried reading as much of this thread's content as i can to get a better perspective on what's worth buying and what isn't. Still, this thread is huge and i'm not 100% confident on the purchases i want to make so if someone can advice me on what to avoid i'll greatly appreciate it. Here is my list:

Anime Limited UK

Tatami Galaxy
Terror in Resonance CE
Boogiepop Phantom CE
Outlaw Star
Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) CE Parts 1-2
Baccano
Kaiba
Mai Mai Miracle
Giovanni's Island
Jin-Roh
A Letter to Momo
Pompo the Cinephile
Memories
Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust
Night is Short, Walk on Girl
Mind Game
Looking for Magical Doremi
Princess Arete
Perfect Blue
Revolutionary Girl Utena Parts 1-3
Full Metal Panic Fumoffu
Summer Days with Coo
Silver Spoon Seasons 1-2 Limited CE

Manga Entertainment
Paprika

MVM
Samurai Champloo

segapluto · 11-09-2023, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrashOveride95

Crying Freeman screenshots from a friend, it's 720p but I think it shows how good the underlying remaster is well: https://postimg.cc/gallery/FQsbm03
(I tried to keep it SFW but some are borderline)

wait is it out?!?

Bobo1313 · 11-09-2023, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by segapluto

wait is it out?!?

Rightstuf started shipping them out last week.

Cplhicks · 11-09-2023, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by segapluto

wait is it out?!?

Yes, I know I already received my copy.

NLScavenger · 11-09-2023, 07:44 PM

Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood - Dynit BD vs various releases

• Comparison
Re-used screenshots from another comparison. I left out the Aniplex USA screenshots since the encode is the same as JP BD Box. Do not know which FR BD was used (original or Edition Saphir re-issue)
• Comparison of 2 additional screenshots of Dynit BD and original JP BD
• Gallery

I haven't gotten around to watching a full episode yet, but I'm impressed by the image quality gains from the descale and rescale job, which negates the negative effects of an upscale done with a less than ideal kernel like bilinear. The picture is sharper, more detailed and with less aliasing too. It's good to see the technique being put to good use on an official release.

The set is region B locked with optional Italian subtitles.

BDInfo Disc 1

Code:

Disc Title:     FMA Brotherhood-D1
Disc Label:     FULL METAL ALCHEMIST 01
Disc Size:      49,027,770,749 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       00004.MPLS
Size:           44,310,451,200 bytes
Length:         3:15:48.069
Total Bitrate:  30.17 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 24,974 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          Italian / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1755 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / 24-bit)
Audio:          Japanese / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1800 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / 24-bit)
Subtitle:       Italian / 43.77 kbps
Subtitle:       Italian / 0.72 kbps

Bitrate episode 01

Code:

Disc Title:     FMA Brotherhood-D1
Disc Label:     FULL METAL ALCHEMIST 01
Disc Size:      49,027,770,749 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       Episode 01
Size:           5,548,496,256 bytes
Length:         0:24:28.633
Total Bitrate:  30.22 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 24,974 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          Italian / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1784 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / 24-bit)
Audio:          Japanese / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1826 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / 24-bit)
Subtitle:       Italian / 36.77 kbps
Subtitle:       Italian / 0.78 kbps

Edit: I was told by someone that an improper descaling method may have been used that causes haloing, which seems to have been reduced with a dehalo filter after doing a nnedi3 upscale. This can cause problems with line detail.

I will say that despite any problems, I think the Dynit release still looks good overall and better than all previous official releases. There's still room for improvement however.

segapluto · 11-09-2023, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobo1313

Rightstuf started shipping them out last week.

Dang, I didn't preorder it on there before it switched over to CR and I still see it listed as preorder on CR.

Naiera · 11-09-2023, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

[Show spoiler]

I hope they'll do a standard version release.

SpaceBlackKnight · 11-10-2023, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo - Discotek Media SDBD

Video seems to be mostly telecined, but there are definitely some 60i elements like text.

Forgot how bonkers the series was. It aired very briefly in the Netherlands before cancellation. Guess it was too much for Dutch kids lol.

BDInfo Disc 1

Code:

Disc Title:     Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo
Disc Label:     BOBOBO_BO_BOBOBO 1
Disc Size:      48,910,389,652 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       00000.MPLS
Size:           47,528,594,496 bytes
Length:         16:48:30.016
Total Bitrate:  6.28 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 5,000 kbps / 480i / 29.970 fps / 4:3 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -27dB
Audio:          Japanese / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -27dB
Subtitle:       English / 1.90 kbps
Subtitle:       English / 21.99 kbps

Bitrate episode 01

Code:

Disc Title:     Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo
Disc Label:     BOBOBO_BO_BOBOBO 1
Disc Size:      48,910,389,652 bytes
Protection:     AACS
Playlist:       Episode 01
Size:           1,221,498,624 bytes
Length:         0:25:55.086
Total Bitrate:  6.28 Mbps
Video:          MPEG-4 AVC Video / 5,001 kbps / 480i / 29.970 fps / 4:3 / High Profile 4.1
Audio:          English / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -27dB
Audio:          Japanese / Dolby Digital Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz /   448 kbps / DN -27dB
Subtitle:       English / 1.66 kbps
Subtitle:       English / 20.89 kbps

----------------------------------------------------------

There are still a number of Discotek titles from my recent haul that I want to take screencaps of. Dunno when I'll get around to them. Busy watching BDs and playing Switch games lately lol. Will make time for a comparison of Dynit's Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood BD when it arrives hopefully on Friday or Saturday.

The source looks pretty decent for SD, miles better than the earlier Toei digipaints like Digimon. Imagine how this would've looked through AstroRes.

Prince_7 · 11-10-2023, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLScavenger

Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood - Dynit BD vs various releases

Important things to note about the FR releases of FMAB :

While the first episode here has correct gamma levels, this isn't the case for the whole series. I don't know when but at some point the show starts having wrong gamma levels, here on episode 50 for example
The encode seems to be the same between all FR releases of FMAB I've checked. I own the A4 collector's edition, the small sized complete box and the saphir collection discs (the only ones I haven't checked are the 2012 three individual box sets but discs should be the same as the A4 and complete box). The only difference I noted is that the Saphir release has 9 discs instead of 10, so it's missing the 4-koma theater shorts, the creditless OP/ED (which had the opposite issue of being darker than reference) and put the OVAs on the 9th disc instead.
The JP audio track seems to be faulty, the audio is very centered instead of making full use of the stereo format compared to the FR dub track and the JPBD original audio. Everything ends up sounding muted and lacking impact.
On the 10 disc sets, the 9th disc contains a 30s teaser for Afro Samurai which is simply the OP of the show, but in the BDMV itself there's actually a full episode as an m2ts file, it's just cut into a 30s playlist in the authoring

There's a new release of FMAB coming up because every other one is OOP but it will very likely reuse the same 10 disc format according to the listed specs on the editor's website

TThomas · 11-10-2023, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haris Vassios

Hello. This is my first comment on this thread but i've been lurking around for a couple of weeks. I've tried reading as much of this thread's content as i can to get a better perspective on what's worth buying and what isn't. Still, this thread is huge and i'm not 100% confident on the purchases i want to make so if someone can advice me on what to avoid i'll greatly appreciate it. Here is my list:

Anime Limited UK

Tatami Galaxy - OVA is missing in all UK Blu-rays, but included with the US Blu-rays (which afaik had other issues?)
Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) CE Parts 1-2 - OOP
Perfect Blue - Standard Edition has an old transfer, check yourself if you prefer this over the new one. As it screened in 4K in Japan an UHD might be coming in a few years
Revolutionary Girl Utena Parts 1-3 - LE might end up cheaper

SpaceDandy · 11-10-2023, 04:21 PM

US BD of Tatami Galaxy is encoded at the wrong framerate (29.97).

The best release may probably be the french BD, if you do not care about the language.

kk1 · 11-10-2023, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

US BD of Tatami Galaxy is encoded at the wrong framerate (29.97).

The best release may probably be the french BD, if you do not care about the language.

So the US is the only Eng lang one with the OVA but encoded at the wrong frame rate...ugh. Never got the US release because I had the UK version, but didn't know about the OVA, crap.

pikagreg · 11-10-2023, 06:38 PM

Didn't know about the OVA/issues either. I watched it on Funi forever ago and bought the UK one since it seemed like we wouldn't get it and then bought the US one just to have.

Haris Vassios · 11-10-2023, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TThomas

Anime Limited UK

Tatami Galaxy - OVA is missing in all UK Blu-rays, but included with the US Blu-rays (which afaik had other issues?)
Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) CE Parts 1-2 - OOP
Perfect Blue - Standard Edition has an old transfer, check yourself if you prefer this over the new one. As it screened in 4K in Japan an UHD might be coming in a few years
Revolutionary Girl Utena Parts 1-3 - LE might end up cheaper

Thank you for the feedback

I'm aware that the old perfect blue bd from 2015 is better than the newer one. I didnt know there was a 4k screening. Is it worth the wait?
There is a possibility i might find the fma (2003) collectors edition but i want to know if its an aniplex clone or at least of similar quality?
I found the Utena standard and CE bds 45% off (basically all the bds i listed have that discount thats why i want to buy them in bulk). Are they good, tho?

Haris Vassios · 11-10-2023, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceDandy

US BD of Tatami Galaxy is encoded at the wrong framerate (29.97).

The best release may probably be the french BD, if you do not care about the language.

Why the hell did they do that? Anyway, thanks

Footlong Shoe · 11-10-2023, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haris Vassios

There is a possibility i might find the fma (2003) collectors edition but i want to know if its an aniplex clone or at least of similar quality?

It's a clone of Funimation's Blu-ray. Not sure how it compares to Aniplex's but they use the same upscale.

Haris Vassios · 11-11-2023, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Footlong Shoe

It's a clone of Funimation's Blu-ray. Not sure how it compares to Aniplex's but they use the same upscale.

I was under the impression that it was an aniplex clone for some reason. If its a funimation encode then it might not be a safe option. Thanks for the reply

TThomas · 11-11-2023, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haris Vassios

I found the Utena standard and CE bds 45% off (basically all the bds i listed have that discount thats why i want to buy them in bulk). Are they good, tho?

Utena is a clone of the Nozomi release (just changed region coding), which afair uses the same encode as Japan...
So it's just a question of the prefered packaging

IIRC Outlaw Star had a different encode compared to Funi?
Silver Spoon also had some issues, but as it's DVD-only and OOP in other English territories there is no better alternative...

11-09-2023, 12:59 PM	#7343
Haris Vassios Junior Member Member since:Oct 2021	Hello. This is my first comment on this thread but i've been lurking around for a couple of weeks. I've tried reading as much of this thread's content as i can to get a better perspective on what's worth buying and what isn't. Still, this thread is huge and i'm not 100% confident on the purchases i want to make so if someone can advice me on what to avoid i'll greatly appreciate it. Here is my list: Anime Limited UK Tatami Galaxy Terror in Resonance CE Boogiepop Phantom CE Outlaw Star Fullmetal Alchemist (2003) CE Parts 1-2 Baccano Kaiba Mai Mai Miracle Giovanni's Island Jin-Roh A Letter to Momo Pompo the Cinephile Memories Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust Night is Short, Walk on Girl Mind Game Looking for Magical Doremi Princess Arete Perfect Blue Revolutionary Girl Utena Parts 1-3 Full Metal Panic Fumoffu Summer Days with Coo Silver Spoon Seasons 1-2 Limited CE Manga Entertainment Paprika MVM Samurai Champloo Last edited by Haris Vassios; 11-09-2023 at 08:17 PM.

11-09-2023, 07:44 PM	#7347
NLScavenger Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Dec 2013 Location:Netherlands 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:833 Trading Score:9	Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood - Dynit BD vs various releases • Comparison Re-used screenshots from another comparison. I left out the Aniplex USA screenshots since the encode is the same as JP BD Box. Do not know which FR BD was used (original or Edition Saphir re-issue) • Comparison of 2 additional screenshots of Dynit BD and original JP BD • Gallery I haven't gotten around to watching a full episode yet, but I'm impressed by the image quality gains from the descale and rescale job, which negates the negative effects of an upscale done with a less than ideal kernel like bilinear. The picture is sharper, more detailed and with less aliasing too. It's good to see the technique being put to good use on an official release. The set is region B locked with optional Italian subtitles. BDInfo Disc 1 Code: Disc Title: FMA Brotherhood-D1 Disc Label: FULL METAL ALCHEMIST 01 Disc Size: 49,027,770,749 bytes Protection: AACS Playlist: 00004.MPLS Size: 44,310,451,200 bytes Length: 3:15:48.069 Total Bitrate: 30.17 Mbps Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 24,974 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1 Audio: Italian / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1755 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / 24-bit) Audio: Japanese / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1800 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / 24-bit) Subtitle: Italian / 43.77 kbps Subtitle: Italian / 0.72 kbps Bitrate episode 01 Code: Disc Title: FMA Brotherhood-D1 Disc Label: FULL METAL ALCHEMIST 01 Disc Size: 49,027,770,749 bytes Protection: AACS Playlist: Episode 01 Size: 5,548,496,256 bytes Length: 0:24:28.633 Total Bitrate: 30.22 Mbps Video: MPEG-4 AVC Video / 24,974 kbps / 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1 Audio: Italian / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1784 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / 24-bit) Audio: Japanese / DTS-HD Master Audio / 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1826 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps / 24-bit) Subtitle: Italian / 36.77 kbps Subtitle: Italian / 0.78 kbps Edit: I was told by someone that an improper descaling method may have been used that causes haloing, which seems to have been reduced with a dehalo filter after doing a nnedi3 upscale. This can cause problems with line detail. I will say that despite any problems, I think the Dynit release still looks good overall and better than all previous official releases. There's still room for improvement however. Last edited by NLScavenger; 11-09-2023 at 09:05 PM.

11-10-2023, 04:21 PM	#7353
SpaceDandy Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2018	US BD of Tatami Galaxy is encoded at the wrong framerate (29.97). The best release may probably be the french BD, if you do not care about the language. Last edited by SpaceDandy; 11-10-2023 at 04:26 PM.

11-09-2023, 10:56 AM	#7342
CrashOveride95 Active Member Member since:Oct 2021 4K collection:5 Blu-ray collection:49	Crying Freeman screenshots from a friend, it's 720p but I think it shows how good the underlying remaster is well: https://postimg.cc/gallery/FQsbm03 (I tried to keep it SFW but some are borderline)

11-10-2023, 06:38 PM	#7355
pikagreg Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jun 2014 Location:Southern California Trading Score:13	Didn't know about the OVA/issues either. I watched it on Funi forever ago and bought the UK one since it seemed like we wouldn't get it and then bought the US one just to have.

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