HDMI Scaling.. I'm pissed!!!!

[msnoopy22]

So I've been search for an AV Receiver. Just about to demo a couple. I get to my local Sound & Vison store. The salesman tells me that the receiver I have been looking at the Pio Elite's SC05, Denon 2309/10, Denon 1909/10. Onkyo 607. Dont do this "HDMI Scaling". He goes on to tell me that they will upscale thru the analog signal. They will upconvert to a 1080p signal, but not thru the HDMI. He says if I want to get a receiver that does the upscaling thru HDMI I need to get an Intergra 8.9, Denon 5309, or a Yamaha 3900.

THE PRICE JUST JUMP $1,000!!!!!!!!! My price range is $750-$1,000. Now I have to spend $1,800 to get what I want. He explained if I stayed at my price point that I would have to run a coax cable to get audio. I am extremely dissapointed. I'm back to the drawing board.

He did say the Integra 8.9 was the best bang for the buck at $1,800 because it has 65 amp

PLEASE HELP!!! Is this saleman lying to me???? or Do I really have to go up $1,000 to get an AV Receiver that will upconvert an HDMI signal to 1080p????

[CasualKiller]

What exactly do you need it for? I can only think of analog/component uses for scaling.

[funnymanbing]

He said that you would have to run a coax cable to get audio from a SC05? That's not right.

[CasualKiller]

Nevermind, found my answer here:

Page 19-20

http://www.yamaha-uk.com/pdf/hdmi.pdf

Still don't see the point of it

[Oddiophile]

Video processors in AV receivers are not very good. If you want GOOD video scaling your better off getting a receiver without it and adding a DVDO Edge stand alone video processor. The Edge will beat most if not all receivers out there and most DVD & blu-ray players with up-conversion. http://www.anchorbaytech.com/dvdo_edge/

[cembros]

your tv will scale everything to 1080p through hdmi anyway, thats why you dont see this option in to many receivers. As for needing to connect audio through coax at that price range, thats bull you can find 200 dollar receives that will run audio through hdmi. Get the pioneer sc05 at best buy for 999 buck (you can get them to go lower) and be done with it.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by cembros

your tv will scale everything to 1080p through hdmi anyway, thats why you dont see this option in to many receivers. As for needing to connect audio through coax at that price range, thats bull you can find 200 dollar receives that will run audio through hdmi. Get the pioneer sc05 at best buy for 999 buck (you can get them to go lower) and be done with it.

+1....sounds like the salesman was exactly that, trying to upsell you a more expensive piece of equipment to fatten his pockets. Listen to cembros and get the SC-05, it is an incredible receiver and as soon as I find one for the right price myself, it will be my next receiver as well.

[funnymanbing]

That salesman is trying to take you for a ride. I'd recommend the SC05 too, but don't buy it from that guy.

[SlmShdy1]

Basically, the receivers you're looking at in your price range, will take an analog signal (480i, 480p, etc.) and upconvert it to 1080p via HDMI. Whatever that guy is telling you is bull****. As for the audio, what everyone here is saying is right. You wouldn't need digital coax for sound. Those receivers will do audio through HDMI.

[msnoopy22]

Originally Posted by SlmShdy1

Basically, the receivers you're looking at in your price range, will take an analog signal (480i, 480p, etc.) and upconvert it to 1080p via HDMI. Whatever that guy is telling you is bull****. As for the audio, what everyone here is saying is right. You wouldn't need digital coax for sound. Those receivers will do audio through HDMI.

The saleman told me that say if I would run my Satelite (DISHNETWORK) to my AV RECEIVER via HDMI, that the receiver wouldn't upconvert the signal thru HDMI to 1080p. He said if I wanted it to go up to 1080p I would have to run it thru the component cable. He then went on to say that if I wanted audio I would need to run it thru Digital Coax or Digital Optical.

In essence, he told me if I was watching a standard def. signal say like MTV. I need to run component and the Digital optical. I thought it was bull. He even brought out a chart with HDMI pass thru saying that the HDMI 720p signal will never convert up to a 1080p signal by using the HDMI. He went on to tell me if I wanted a blu-ray type picture I would be wasting my money on the receivers that I was looking at.

So he's just full of it, right?

[JJ]

Originally Posted by Oddiophile

Video processors in AV receivers are not very good. If you want GOOD video scaling your better off getting a receiver without it and adding a DVDO Edge stand alone video processor. The Edge will beat most if not all receivers out there and most DVD & blu-ray players with up-conversion. http://www.anchorbaytech.com/dvdo_edge/

While I read the website, explain this Edge machine more to me - it looks interesting...

[Oddiophile]

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

While I read the website, explain this Edge machine more to me - it looks interesting...

Stand alone video scaler's are nothing new they have been around for years. Most consumers have never heard of them because they have been a specialty item retailing for $2,000 to as much as $10,000. They are stand alone video hubs that you plug all your video equipment into and the scaler rescale's the image to the resolution of your display much like an up-converting DVD player does. But this will do any component you plug into it and do a better job scaling then your DVD player or receiver could. The scaler's in most DVD players, Blu-ray players, TV's, receivers, are crap. They will upscale your video but can add ringing, halo's, and other unwanted artifacts to the picture.

The Edge is based off of DVDO's flagship scailer, the $3500 VP50pro but is targeted at consumers with a retail price of $799. The Edge can be found for less then $800, I have seen power buys for the Edge at $500. As HD becomes more abundant the need for a video scailer becomes less. If you watch a lot of standard def then something like the Edge may before you. If you watch a lot of HD then an Edge may be over kill for you.

Basically the Edge would be set to output the native resolution of your TV (lets say 1920 X 1080p) then your gaming consoles, DVD player, Blu-ray player all plug into the Edge. The Edge does have two HDMI out's so one can go directly to the TV and the other to the receiver. Now any resolution you send to the Edge that is not 1920 X 1080p the Edge will scale up. A 1920 X 1080p resolution will just be passed threw to the TV so basically the Edge bypasses your TV's internal scaler giving better video quality.