I'm a Blu-ray supporter, but I don't see HD DVD completely dying soon

[domerdel]

I own a few blu-ray movies, and a PS3 as my player. I wouldn't call myself a huge sony fan, but a general supporter of blu-ray's technology. What limits me from starting a bigger collection of movies is the lack of the dying breed called "HD-DVD". Although Blu-ray is winning the numbers game, HD-DVD is ressurrecting itself from it's coma-state.

Other than the 1.1 November Mandate, what are the other tactics Sony and other follower's to blu-ray? A good mid-grade 1080p player appears to be around the $299 (and soon falling) by toshiba?

Then, there are titles like Batman Begins, where it's been out almost a year on hd-dvd. Yet, it does not exist on the BD radar (is this due to the lack of 1.1 mandate present?).

If Blu-ray lowered their priced, and after the november mandate, I don't see how HD-DVD can survive

[JTK]

I don't see it.

What facts do you possibly see that suggest any kind of upswing for HD-DVD whatsoever?

[jermwhl]

Originally Posted by domerdel

If Blu-ray lowered their priced, and after the november mandate, I don't see how HD-DVD can survive

And wait for Paramount's 'tidal wave' of releases and huge blockbuster titles slamming ashore during the holidays from other studios! The holidays WILL be the deciding factor. I'm almost sure of it!

[Ender]

Take a look at the sales numbers, how could you not consider HD-DVD to be a dying breed?

[JTK]

Originally Posted by jermwhl

And wait for Paramount's 'tidal wave' of releases and huge blockbuster titles slamming ashore during the holidays from other studios! The holidays WILL be the deciding factor. I'm almost sure of it!

And Disney/Buena Vista. And Fox (finally). And MGM. And Sony pictures. There's a lot of action under those large umbrellas.

^^ None to be seen on HD-DVD ever.

[theknub]

*sigh* how many of these posts do we see a day?

as jtk said, what good news or major moving events have we seen for hd-doa? i haven't heard any positive news. however, br added a new studio, two new exclusive retailers (three if you include woolworths), blockbuster, and the list goes on.

[The Don]

when I 1st skimmed your post..I was ready to call you a troll...

but I think you are just giving everything HD DVD has too much weight...

we are up and the lead is increasing...

if tomorrow's Neilsen numbers are even near 3:1 again, I refuse to be worried...

and the powers that be (studio's, stores, consumers) all want this to go away soon so nobody will have cold feet about this...

[Y3k Bug]

After having their heads chopped off, chickens are able to run around for many minutes...It doesn't really mean that they're not dead.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Y3k Bug

After having their heads chopped off, chickens are able to run around for many minutes...It doesn't really mean that they're not dead.

Good one!

[theknub]

Originally Posted by Y3k Bug

After having their heads chopped off, chickens are able to run around for many minutes...It doesn't really mean that they're not dead.

haha

[dakota81]

This is the reason why Blu-ray will win:

http://www.the-movie-times.com/thrsd...f2006+ByTGross
http://www.the-movie-times.com/thrsd...f2007+ByTGross

Nothing adding or subtracting from the movie players have any affect on the information above.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Y3k Bug

After having their heads chopped off, chickens are able to run around for many minutes...It doesn't really mean that they're not dead.

Microsoft is still trying to fight the Court of Public Opinion--
One of the few courts still allowed to hand down (commercial) death sentences, whose judgments are final, and whose jury looks to be ending deliberations shortly around the January '08 CES.

They can spin oxygen about "grabing that faithful market share and keeping the word of mouth going", but that's only if they're planning to make, sell and rent all the movies themselves.
No Format Is An Island, and the tidal wave of Blu-defecting licensees is coming.

[JLaSoul]

I must say I agree with domerdal, I had said this before on another thread but nobondy resonded on it, now we might be wrong, but like I had said. For HD-DVD having only one exclusive studio and some other neutrals, they have stuck there ground very good compared to our like seven exclusive and some other neutrals, we should have had them already pinned to the ground since the months of BLU-RAY being released, we barely started to get the lead since the launch of the PS3. No one will say it but I will for one exclusive studio this HD-DUD is holding up a very good fight from our power punching exclusive studios. But all I know as much money that I have spent on blu-ray and not choosing to own the hd-crap I hope you guys are right about blu-ray winning by the end or beginning of next year, cause I would have hated to have spent that much on it and just being a small collection of what use to be. Stay blu homies

[Mr. Joshua]

Originally Posted by Y3k Bug

After having their heads chopped off, chickens are able to run around for many minutes...It doesn't really mean that they're not dead.

My great grandmother used to stroke the chicken's head before she would take a hatchet and cut off the head from the neck. I think that is what WB and Universal is doing to HD DVD. They are stroking it and wham finally they bury the hatchet in that little neck of HD DVD...

[CptGreedle]

I see that after this holiday season, if everything I hear about happens (such as Fox releases, Disney releases, Weinstein going neutral, BD players getting cheaper, etc.) HD-DVD will be in it's death throws by summer '08. I might be exaggerating, but if the sales go badly for them, it could be over quickly.
However with everything universal is trying to keep it going, I think it might have a chance to stick around a little longer. But i don't really feel that universal wants this war either. I mean they can see the numbers, they can see that BD is always outselling HD-DEAD, and that that means profit loss for them.
It does them no good to keep it going, unless it is a contract or other obligation to say.... Microsoft for example... to keep it going.

[babyBlu]

Originally Posted by domerdel

Although Blu-ray is winning the numbers game, HD-DVD is ressurrecting itself from it's coma-state.

Oh, you mean this...

ending May 6th
WE: BD-60% HDD-40% YTD: BD-68% HDD-32% SI: BD-57% HDD-43%
ending May 13th
WE: BD-62% HDD-38% YTD: BD-68% HDD-32% SI: BD-57% HDD-43%
ending May 20th
WE: BD-58% HDD-42% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-57% HDD-43%
ending May 27th
WE: BD-69% HDD-31% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-58% HDD-42%
ending June 3rd
WE: BD-61% HDD-39% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-59% HDD-41%
ending June 10th
WE: BD-66% HDD-34% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-59% HDD-41%
ending June 17th
WE: BD-64% HDD-36% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-59% HDD-41%
ending June 24th
WE: BD-70% HDD-30% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-59% HDD-41%
ending July 1st
WE: BD-65% HDD-35% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40%
ending July 8th
WE: BD-66% HDD-34% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40%
ending July 15th
WE: BD-61% HDD-39% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40%
ending July 22nd
WE: BD-74% HDD-26% YTD: BD-67% HDD-33% SI: BD-60% HDD-40%

PLEASE tell me where the "ressurection" is occuring.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by domerdel

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A good mid-grade 1080p player appears to be around the $299 (and soon falling) by toshiba?

The A2 is $299 and 1080i only.
The A20 will do 1080p, but it's $399

The A3 will be $299 and 1080i only.
The A30 will do 1080p, but it's $399

Seems price stagnation is currently the situation. But, that may be simply to insure they don't Osborne the current offerings, again.

Bottom line is and will remain: You save $100 - $200 and use it to buy what? 2.5 - 3.5 PQ ranked movies?

What exactly is the point to saving money if you can't use it to buy the highest quality, or the films you want?

Gary

[supersix4]

its like wii and the rest 250 to 600 wii wins .... 250 to 499 PS3 wins .. all about price

[darinp2]

Originally Posted by domerdel

Then, there are titles like Batman Begins, where it's been out almost a year on hd-dvd. Yet, it does not exist on the BD radar (is this due to the lack of 1.1 mandate present?).

I think Batman Begins is a good example of some difficulty HD DVD is going to have ahead. While Warner is neutral by name, it is like HD DVD has gotten a whole studio there and Blu-ray has gotten 3/4ths of a studio. And yet the sales numbers favor Blu-ray by a significant amount. If Warner really does catch up with titles like that, V for Vendetta and the Matrix movies, that will help Blu-ray relatively and take away much of the reason for people to buy an HD DVD player. Batman Begins has kind of been a support rock for HD DVD week in and week out and having it also come to Blu-ray would take that away to a large degree.

The Director's cut of Troy should help Blu-ray too. While most on the internet doesn't seem to consider Troy a big title and it doesn't tend to show up very high on Amazon's rankings, from what I've seen of the Nielsen data it looks like it has been selling at close to half the rate of Batman Begins (which means much better than the vast majority of HD DVD titles). The combination of being a double dip for HD DVD and just the normal advantage Blu-ray has for common titles should mean that the Director's cut will sell much better on Blu-ray than HD DVD.

The war isn't over, but I think the odds of HD DVD winning have been dropping pretty fast the last couple of months or so. Should be an interesting rest of the year. I think getting PiP working on the PS3 should be a high priority for Sony so that Warner won't have any good excuses to favor HD DVD with releases.

--Darin

[ussrelativity]

We still have to get the cost of standalone players down another good notch fast. As more dedicated console players are sold, it makes a stronger solid increase in BD sales, which such information can be directed towards the last HD-DVD holdouts.