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jw · 10-05-2010, 11:39 PM

You guys read this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/

crazy.....

you know the world has gone bad when others wont help others in a time of dire need

MaCruz · 10-05-2010, 11:50 PM

That's ridiculous!

I thought they have to put out every fire regardless?

Hopefully Steve will chime in and give his thoughts.

Septimus Prime · 10-06-2010, 12:14 AM

That is way ****ed up for the fire department. I hope their station burns down.

jw · 10-06-2010, 12:18 AM

most tax dollars fund fire companies, I know here they have Bingo and other stuff to generate revenue. Of course, they dont deny service to no one. I know our ambulances starting charging for the trip to the hospital but it is waived if you prove you cant pay it.(After you get better)

I am already sensing lawsuit

Johnny Vinyl · 10-06-2010, 12:25 AM

Another example to show that "money" truly is the root of all evil.

John

Psybits · 10-06-2010, 12:30 AM

they could still have atleast showed up and just asked for the $75 upfront if they wanted it that badly instead of just ignoring them..what if the fire had spread..

If the family of the burnt house doesn't file a lawsuit, the neighbors should for endangerment.

SquidPuppet · 10-06-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Psybits

they could still have atleast showed up and just asked for the $75 upfront if they wanted it that badly instead of just ignoring them..what if the fire had spread..

If the family of the burnt house doesn't file a lawsuit, the neighbors should for endangerment.

They could just make the law $75.00 in advance, or $1,500.00 after the flames are out. People would remember to pay the fee.

But it sucks huge that they let it burn.

Psybits · 10-06-2010, 12:16 AM

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"We wasn't on their list,"

that is just messed up..and what if the fire had claimed a life..
I can't even put into words how..how wrong on so many levels..

Septimus Prime · 10-06-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Psybits

that is just messed up..and what if the fire had claimed a life..

It did. It killed the family's dogs and cat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psybits

they could still have atleast showed up and just asked for the $75 upfront if they wanted it that badly instead of just ignoring them..what if the fire had spread..

It did. The fire department saved the neighbors' house and left the guy's to burn.

Emergency services like this should not have to be opt-in. And, at the very least, if they must be opt-in (which is retarded), you should be able to opt-in at any time—especially during an actual emergency.

Psybits · 10-06-2010, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

It did. It killed the family's dogs and cat.

It did. The fire department saved the neighbors' house and left the guy's to burn.

Emergency services like this should not have to be opt-in. And, at the very least, if they must be opt-in (which is retarded), you should be able to opt-in at any time—especially during an actual emergency.

oh haha..I didn't finish reading the whole article..it was too f'd up to ingest

Johnny Vinyl · 10-06-2010, 12:41 AM

"hey, my house is on fire, but I'm not sure if I opted in , will you put it out?"

"Do you have $75? If so, we will!".

"I do, but I dont have the cash right now...can I send you a cheque?"

"yeah, but by the time we recieve it your house will be a charred mess!"

" I guess I'm royally screwed then?"

"yep, but don't worry...the guy next door opted in, so we'll save his house instead!"

CLICK!

jbig31 · 10-06-2010, 12:55 AM

But what if you have the $$$ to pay-but said $$$ is in house that is already engulfed in flames?

I guess you are S.O.L.

gonk · 10-08-2010, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jw

You guys read this?

This took place not far from where I live (Memphis) and got a fair bit of local news coverage. I think the bigger issue here is why any county government would fail to have fire services for their residents. If you read the article, the people involved didn't live in the town that had fire services, but because the county didn't offer any fire services they had to contract with the town for those services. They failed to pay for the contract this year. What else could the town do - if you put out anybody's fire, no matter what, folks will quit paying and you'll end up serving the whole county using resources paid for by the town's tax base. Sure, you can bill somebody for the actual cost of responding to a fire if you have to do something, but what if they can't afford to pay or simply don't pay? What if a town homeowner calls with a house fire and the fire department is in the county, putting out a fire for a county resident who "forgot" to pay his $75? The town resident paid his taxes, but his house is going to burn because nobody's available to respond.

Steve · 10-08-2010, 10:34 PM

WOW!! I just noticed this thread and I'm practically speechless after reading that article. I haven't read this whole thread, so I'll just add the following. I'll also add for those of you who don't know me that I've been in the fire/rescue service for 14 years and I'm a firefighter and a paramedic. I think we have some other fire service professionals on this forum who may have already weighed in so I don't claim to be an authority here. I'm just posting based on my own personal knowledge and experience.

There are such a thing as subscription fire departments, believe it or not. You have to pay a subscription fee in order for these departments to provide you with fire protection. However, these types of departments are not the norm, and the particular department in question is not one of them.

The issue of the $75 annual fee is a moot point as far as I'm concerned. The loss of animals and property is bad enough, but what if human life had been lost in this instance? Surely this department doesn't think they can reasonably explain to a jury why they let someone die because a $75 fee was delinquent. The article says this policy of a $75 annual fee goes back 20 years or so. The motto of any dying orginazation is "we've always done it that way" and if you don't change with the times this is the type of situation you find yourself in. A lawsuit over this is inevitible and (while I would normally never say this because I HATE lawsuits) completely justified. The fire chief will most likely lose his job, as he should, and this ridiculous policy will be done away with for sure. I also wouldn't be surprised to see elected officials voted out of office. In addition to civil penalties, there may also be criminal charges resulting, and again I think this would be completely justified. We're seeing fire chiefs suffer criminal charges and go to prison over firefighter deaths that should have been prevented nowadays. We're also seeing civil and criminal charges brought against engineers and crew officers for things like not ensuring all firemen on a fire apparatus are seated and buckled in before leaving the fire station and then getting in a wreck where firemen are injured or killed. Based on these types of things I would be really surprised to see everyone walk away from this free and clear. I think it speaks volumes that professional firefighting associations are speaking out against how this was handled.

I hope they continue with this story because I'm really curious to see how this one will turn out.

SquidPuppet · 10-08-2010, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gonk

This took place not far from where I live (Memphis) and got a fair bit of local news coverage. I think the bigger issue here is why any county government would fail to have fire services for their residents. If you read the article, the people involved didn't live in the town that had fire services, but because the county didn't offer any fire services they had to contract with the town for those services. They failed to pay for the contract this year. What else could the town do - if you put out anybody's fire, no matter what, folks will quit paying and you'll end up serving the whole county using resources paid for by the town's tax base. Sure, you can bill somebody for the actual cost of responding to a fire if you have to do something, but what if they can't afford to pay or simply don't pay? What if a town homeowner calls with a house fire and the fire department is in the county, putting out a fire for a county resident who "forgot" to pay his $75? The town resident paid his taxes, but his house is going to burn because nobody's available to respond.

Its very simple. Impound the $75.00 fee on the property tax or the mortgage and transfer the funds to the service provider. Similar to PMI. Done.

SquidPuppet · 10-08-2010, 10:47 PM

Another reason I believe that it should have been a case of "Fight fire first, haggle after" is because of the potential that the "list" had errors.

I have had utilities, water and electric make numerous errors when reading my meters and on billing statements. Significant blunders I might add.

I realize that this guy admits that his fee went unpaid. But what if a call goes out for help and the list is wrong? When do they haggle over that? After the home is a pile of ashes?

Dexter Morgan · 10-09-2010, 02:16 AM

All I can say is that I would hate to live in a location where, upon responding to a call for a house fire, the first thing a fire department considers is whether or not the petty bill was paid. Put the fire out first, ask questions/settle later, seriously. I completely agree with SP and Steve on this one. It is not about proving a point, it is about doing what is right.

10-05-2010, 11:39 PM	#1
jw Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:519	No pay, No Spray You guys read this? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/ crazy..... you know the world has gone bad when others wont help others in a time of dire need

10-08-2010, 10:47 PM	#16
SquidPuppet Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Club Loop Blu-ray collection:277 Blu-ray reviews:27	And one more thing! Another reason I believe that it should have been a case of "Fight fire first, haggle after" is because of the potential that the "list" had errors. I have had utilities, water and electric make numerous errors when reading my meters and on billing statements. Significant blunders I might add. I realize that this guy admits that his fee went unpaid. But what if a call goes out for help and the list is wrong? When do they haggle over that? After the home is a pile of ashes?

10-05-2010, 11:50 PM	#2
MaCruz Community Gaming Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Jacksonville, FL Home Theater Gallery:160 4K collection:104 Blu-ray collection:958 DVD collection:18 MA collection:394 Digital collection:570 iTunes collection:527 Prime collection:192 Blu-ray reviews: 23 Trading Score:139	That's ridiculous! I thought they have to put out every fire regardless? Hopefully Steve will chime in and give his thoughts.

10-06-2010, 12:14 AM	#3
Septimus Prime Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:164 Trading Score:2	That is way ****ed up for the fire department. I hope their station burns down.

10-06-2010, 12:18 AM	#4
jw Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:519	most tax dollars fund fire companies, I know here they have Bingo and other stuff to generate revenue. Of course, they dont deny service to no one. I know our ambulances starting charging for the trip to the hospital but it is waived if you prove you cant pay it.(After you get better) I am already sensing lawsuit

10-06-2010, 12:25 AM	#5
Johnny Vinyl Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:At the crossroad of Analogue Dr & 2CH Ave Home Theater Gallery:19 Blu-ray collection:205 DVD collection:7 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:8	Another example to show that "money" truly is the root of all evil. John

10-06-2010, 12:30 AM	#6
Psybits Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jul 2009 4K collection:16 Blu-ray collection:316 Trading Score:2	they could still have atleast showed up and just asked for the $75 upfront if they wanted it that badly instead of just ignoring them..what if the fire had spread.. If the family of the burnt house doesn't file a lawsuit, the neighbors should for endangerment.

10-06-2010, 12:41 AM	#11
Johnny Vinyl Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:At the crossroad of Analogue Dr & 2CH Ave Home Theater Gallery:19 Blu-ray collection:205 DVD collection:7 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:8	"hey, my house is on fire, but I'm not sure if I opted in , will you put it out?" "Do you have $75? If so, we will!". "I do, but I dont have the cash right now...can I send you a cheque?" "yeah, but by the time we recieve it your house will be a charred mess!" " I guess I'm royally screwed then?" "yep, but don't worry...the guy next door opted in, so we'll save his house instead!" CLICK!

10-06-2010, 12:55 AM	#12
jbig31 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Grandville MI 4K collection:168 Blu-ray collection:590 Blu-ray reviews:1	But what if you have the $$$ to pay-but said $$$ is in house that is already engulfed in flames? I guess you are S.O.L.

10-08-2010, 10:34 PM	#14
Steve Blu-ray Knight Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:May 2008 Location:Anna, TX 4K collection:128 Blu-ray collection:416 Trading Score:41	WOW!! I just noticed this thread and I'm practically speechless after reading that article. I haven't read this whole thread, so I'll just add the following. I'll also add for those of you who don't know me that I've been in the fire/rescue service for 14 years and I'm a firefighter and a paramedic. I think we have some other fire service professionals on this forum who may have already weighed in so I don't claim to be an authority here. I'm just posting based on my own personal knowledge and experience. There are such a thing as subscription fire departments, believe it or not. You have to pay a subscription fee in order for these departments to provide you with fire protection. However, these types of departments are not the norm, and the particular department in question is not one of them. The issue of the $75 annual fee is a moot point as far as I'm concerned. The loss of animals and property is bad enough, but what if human life had been lost in this instance? Surely this department doesn't think they can reasonably explain to a jury why they let someone die because a $75 fee was delinquent. The article says this policy of a $75 annual fee goes back 20 years or so. The motto of any dying orginazation is "we've always done it that way" and if you don't change with the times this is the type of situation you find yourself in. A lawsuit over this is inevitible and (while I would normally never say this because I HATE lawsuits) completely justified. The fire chief will most likely lose his job, as he should, and this ridiculous policy will be done away with for sure. I also wouldn't be surprised to see elected officials voted out of office. In addition to civil penalties, there may also be criminal charges resulting, and again I think this would be completely justified. We're seeing fire chiefs suffer criminal charges and go to prison over firefighter deaths that should have been prevented nowadays. We're also seeing civil and criminal charges brought against engineers and crew officers for things like not ensuring all firemen on a fire apparatus are seated and buckled in before leaving the fire station and then getting in a wreck where firemen are injured or killed. Based on these types of things I would be really surprised to see everyone walk away from this free and clear. I think it speaks volumes that professional firefighting associations are speaking out against how this was handled. I hope they continue with this story because I'm really curious to see how this one will turn out.

10-09-2010, 02:16 AM	#17
Dexter Morgan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Charleston, SC Blu-ray collection:87 Trading Score:15	All I can say is that I would hate to live in a location where, upon responding to a call for a house fire, the first thing a fire department considers is whether or not the petty bill was paid. Put the fire out first, ask questions/settle later, seriously. I completely agree with SP and Steve on this one. It is not about proving a point, it is about doing what is right.

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