Onkyo TX-NR609 with EPIK Legend Woofer Question

[ReggaetonSalsero]

Hi all. Question..... I bought a txnr 609 receiver and i'm about to order a new epik legend sub for it. Right now i have the receiver connected as a 7.0 system without a sub. I saw on the receiver that there is a part that says lpe and it goes from 80hz to up to 120hz then an option to select bypass if i don't want to select 80 to 120hz. How should i set this so that i get good bass sound while i wait for the legend sub? I had it on 120hz then on 80hz but i can't tell what's the difference. Maybe i'm tone deaf.

Then when i get the epik legend sub in, how should i have it? And how should i set it up with the legend when i get it? I know many of u would know. I tried looking this kind of thing up on here but i couldn't find anything on it. Thanks kindly Oh and i have 2 monitor 50's in the front, one cs1 in the center...4 monitor 40's in the back...i have them all set on 80hz front and back. I don't know what to do with the crossover/lpe part in the receiver. Should i go 80hz, 90hz, 100hz 120 hz or bypass?

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by ReggaetonSalsero

Hi all. Question..... I bought a txnr 609 receiver and i'm about to order a new epik legend sub for it. Right now i have the receiver connected as a 7.0 system without a sub. I saw on the receiver that there is a part that says lpe and it goes from 80hz to up to 120hz then an option to select bypass if i don't want to select 80 to 120hz. How should i set this so that i get good bass sound while i wait for the legend sub? I had it on 120hz then on 80hz but i can't tell what's the difference. Maybe i'm tone deaf.

Then when i get the epik legend sub in, how should i have it? And how should i set it up with the legend when i get it? I know many of u would know. I tried looking this kind of thing up on here but i couldn't find anything on it. Thanks kindly Oh and i have 2 monitor 50's in the front, one cs1 in the center...4 monitor 40's in the back...i have them all set on 80hz front and back. I don't know what to do with the crossover/lpe part in the receiver. Should i go 80hz, 90hz, 100hz 120 hz or bypass?

If you are talking about the LPF of LFE, you should set it to 120Hz.

Read https://forum.blu-ray.com/subwoofers...nt-part-i.html. It will help you with the setup of your subwoofer and the crossover settings.

[ReggaetonSalsero]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

If you are talking about the LPF of LFE, you should set it to 120Hz.

Read https://forum.blu-ray.com/subwoofers...nt-part-i.html. It will help you with the setup of your subwoofer and the crossover settings.

Thanks kindly, yes that's what i meant. I set it to 120hz on the receiver. I know when i get that epik legend in, it will have it's own dials and build in amp so i didn't nor don't know if i have to change the receiver to bypass then use the knobs on that sub or what.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by ReggaetonSalsero

Thanks kindly, yes that's what i meant. I set it to 120hz on the receiver. I know when i get that epik legend in, it will have it's own dials and build in amp so i didn't nor don't know if i have to change the receiver to bypass then use the knobs on that sub or what.

The link I gave you explains everything. All the crossovers are set in the receiver. You normally set the crossover on the back of the subwoofer all the way up so that it receives all the frequencies that the receiver sends to it.

The following settings work for most people:

1. Place the subwoofer up front in a corner about a foot or a little more away from the walls.
2. Set all speakers to SMALL.
3. Set the subwoofer to LFE only. Do not turn double bass on.
4. Set the level on the back of the subwoofer to 50% or less.
5. Set the crossovers of all the speakers to 80Hz. If your speakers are very small and do not have very good low frequency extension, then set the crossovers to 90Hz or 100Hz.
6. Set the LPF of LFE to 120Hz.

[ReggaetonSalsero]

I went ahead and followed ur instructions and read all of that stuff. WOW there is so much to know. I also saw ur SUPER SOUND SYSTEM. DAYUM man i thought i saw a system before but WOW ur HARDCORE!! That stuff must be worth a porche or ferrarri lol WOW. I can only IMAGINE how it sounds.

I appreciate u taking the time to answer my questions and helping me out. I notice that on this site, most people don't bother to help u cause they can't be bothered, especially if ur asking a question that may be posted somewhere but some of us have trouble finding it or don't know too much about this. A great many thanks for helping out Thanks kindly

[sandman922]

Originally Posted by ReggaetonSalsero

I went ahead and followed ur instructions and read all of that stuff. WOW there is so much to know. I also saw ur SUPER SOUND SYSTEM. DAYUM man i thought i saw a system before but WOW ur HARDCORE!! That stuff must be worth a porche or ferrarri lol WOW. I can only IMAGINE how it sounds.

I appreciate u taking the time to answer my questions and helping me out. I notice that on this site, most people don't bother to help u cause they can't be bothered, especially if ur asking a question that may be posted somewhere but some of us have trouble finding it or don't know too much about this. A great many thanks for helping out Thanks kindly

actually there are many members on here that are very helpful , Big Daddy is one of the most helpful along with callas , lojack , hamp , fors and many others !

[Hillside Trece]

Originally Posted by Big Daddy

The link I gave you explains everything. All the crossovers are set in the receiver. You normally set the crossover on the back of the subwoofer all the way up so that it receives all the frequencies that the receiver sends to it.

The following settings work for most people:

1. Place the subwoofer up front in a corner about a foot or a little more away from the walls.
2. Set all speakers to SMALL.
3. Set the subwoofer to LFE only. Do not turn double bass on.
4. Set the level on the back of the subwoofer to 50% or less.
5. Set the crossovers of all the speakers to 80Hz. If your speakers are very small and do not have very good low frequency extension, then set the crossovers to 90Hz or 100Hz.
6. Set the LPF of LFE to 120Hz.

Mostly excellent advice! Indeed, these are great suggestions for 99.9 percent of users, and I agree with just about everything!

For my particular setup and requirements, there were some tweaks made to this...

For example:

Place the subwoofer up front in a corner about a foot or a little more away from the walls.

Yes!

Set all speakers to SMALL.

Well, if the processor or receiver only has selections for individual crossover frequencies, one needs to be picked (rather than just toggling small/large) but that's covered below...

But, yes, a speaker no matter how large it is should definitely be crossed over to some frequency (as a "SMALL" setting) to let a subwoofer handle the ultra low tones, unless there's no sub in the system...then we're talking another ball of wax...

Set the subwoofer to LFE only. Do not turn double bass on.

Yes!

Actually, on my particular model receiver, when you choose a specific crossover for the mains, Double Bass isn't made available to choose...

Set the level on the back of the subwoofer to 50% or less.

This is where my experience and particular needs differed just a bit -- this "50% or less" advice is definitely the defacto standard for just about everyone setting up a system, but in my case, my Polk PSW350 sub is so weak, underpowered and...well...just plain literal crap that if I have the volume knob on anything beneath about 60 to 70% up on gain, this thing puts out no rumble. On top of that, I have to keep my sub's calibration setting inside the AVR to at least "+3dB"...

Set the crossovers of all the speakers to 80Hz. If your speakers are very small and do not have very good low frequency extension, then set the crossovers to 90Hz or 100Hz.

I agree with this completely -- as is the THX standard -- except that I have found (and have been told) that with extra large towers for mains (like my Polk RTi12s), a crossover of around 60Hz may be better so the speakers can "flex a bit of their bass muscle" while a sub still gets a good workout for all information below that...

But I keep my center and surrounds on 80...

Set the LPF of LFE to 120Hz.

As we stated and concluded, absolutely!

[ReggaetonSalsero]

Hey thanks, yes i did all that. I got a completely new system. I have to update all the pictures and info i got on here as far as what i have now. I know have 2 Polk monitor 50's series 2 monitor towers as fronts (on 80hz), 1 cs1 polk monitor series 2 (80hz) on auralex pads, 4 polk monitor 40's series 2 speakers for back surround and surround (80hz), 1 epik legend with grammer matt), 1.4 hdmi, onkyo 609 new one that just came out, isolation paids under all of this. I ran the audessey 4 different times and it kept on putting my speakers on 50/60hz or 90hz even though i went in and set it all manually at 80hz and the lpe at 120. In the end, i just left it all at 80hz and 120 for the lpe.
I like this setup a LOT better than those big klipsch reference series speakers i had with the a2-300. THe reference speakers, the horn just sounded like a loud speaker and the a2 300 lacks compared to this legend and the new polks sound so much softer and easier to the ears as opposed to the reference series speakers, but that's just MY experience.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by ReggaetonSalsero

Hi all. Question..... I bought a txnr 609 receiver and i'm about to order a new epik legend sub for it. Right now i have the receiver connected as a 7.0 system without a sub. I saw on the receiver that there is a part that says lpe and it goes from 80hz to up to 120hz then an option to select bypass if i don't want to select 80 to 120hz. How should i set this so that i get good bass sound while i wait for the legend sub? I had it on 120hz then on 80hz but i can't tell what's the difference. Maybe i'm tone deaf.

Then when i get the epik legend sub in, how should i have it? And how should i set it up with the legend when i get it? I know many of u would know. I tried looking this kind of thing up on here but i couldn't find anything on it. Thanks kindly Oh and i have 2 monitor 50's in the front, one cs1 in the center...4 monitor 40's in the back...i have them all set on 80hz front and back. I don't know what to do with the crossover/lpe part in the receiver. Should i go 80hz, 90hz, 100hz 120 hz or bypass?

Big Daddy gave you the proper settings when you get your subwoofer, but until then, you can set your front speakers to full-range, so you can get some bass until the sub comes in.

[ReggaetonSalsero]

Originally Posted by HAMP

Big Daddy gave you the proper settings when you get your subwoofer, but until then, you can set your front speakers to full-range, so you can get some bass until the sub comes in.

WOW u have 2 subs....OK i got one for u......would u get 1 epik legend or 2 velodyne impact 10 woofers? Anyone can answer this one and why....

[ReggaetonSalsero]

This new epik legend i just got is better than my ed a2-300 for sure!! Wow nice!!

[Hillside Trece]

The "LPF of LFE" setting should be on "120Hz" as BD stated -- the reason, basically, is that 120Hz is the maximum allowable frequency information for just the ".1" channel (LFE/bass) on soundtracks, so if you set this lower, to, say, 80Hz and a soundtrack contains bass information all the way up to the max of 120Hz, you'll lose like a half an octave or so of bass. This is the preferred method even according to the Audyssey Setup Guide (setting LPF of LFE to "120Hz"). For some reason, Onkyo insists on putting this setting available to the end user in the speaker setup menu, but it should really be overridden and set automatically as not to confuse anyone during setup, which can already be a hassle.

Some say that playing with this "LPF of LFE" (which stands for LOW PASS FILTER of LFE) setting can adjust for making a subwoofer seem less "locatable" in a room and such, but I've always just left it on 120Hz.

BTW -- Are you in Brooklyn?