Bernardo Bertolucci's The Dreamers (Die Träumer)

[hansolo]

Any comments about the new German blu-ray which is out now? Is it uncut? How's the PQ/AQ compared to Russian blu-ray which was MPEG2 encoded and to make it even worse 1080i 50Hz.

Amazon.de

Sprache: Deutsch (DTS-HD 5.1), Englisch (DTS-HD 5.1)
Untertitel: Deutsch
Region: Alle Regionen
Bildseitenformat: 16:9 - 1.77:1
FSK: Freigegeben ab 16 Jahren
Studio: Concorde Video
Erscheinungstermin: 7. März 2013
Produktionsjahr: 2003
Spieldauer: 115 Minuten

Edit: Found some more information on German language sites and it looks promising. Uncut, reversible cover without FSK rating, some extras including audio commentary and AVC encode probably at 23.976 or 24.000 fps.

http://www.bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-fi...r-blu-ray-disc
http://www.bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-ne...f-blu-ray-disc
http://www.zehnachtzig.de/2012/12/11...-blu-ray-disc/

Extras:

Kinotrailer
Audiokommentar
Featurette
Interviews
B-Roll

[frogmeat69]

Is this uncut blu gonna be any different scene or length wise than the NC-17 rated DVD I rented from Netflix??

[GOMEZFAN69]

I just got mine from Amazon today. It's region free and looks decent, but not spectacular.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/14006
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/14004
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/14003

Of course it looks better than the screenshots would suggest.

[RupertPupkin]

Originally Posted by GOMEZFAN69

I just got mine from Amazon today. It's region free and looks decent, but not spectacular.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/14006
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/14004
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/14003

Of course it looks better than the screenshots would suggest.

thanks for the screenshots.

I have the russian Blu-Ray which came out 2 years ago or something like that - is it 1080i but uncut.

could you please confirm if the German blu-ray is :

- uncut ???
in a nutshell we can see Eva Green cooking ratatouille among other things...

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=567941
(I've never understood why this scene where Isabelle cooks a gratin deauphinois was cut...)

- 1080p24 ???

- correct ratio ? (the Russian blu-ray is slightly cropped - but the picture quality was excellent)
(should be 1.85 : 1 according to imdb.com)

thanks a lot...

[hansolo]

German BD is 24 fps for sure and AVC encoded. I've seen the bdinfo. Will copy paste it here later. I can't remember if it was 23.976 or 24.000 fps though.

You can see from screen captures in post #3 that the aspect ratio is probably closer to 1.78:1 (16:9) than original 1.85:1. Framing also seems to differ from US dvd assuming caps are from exactly same time stamp.

Links to German sites in the opening post claim that this is uncut.

Btw, Russian BD is 1080i and it's also 50 Hz! That's PAL speed-upped.

[hansolo]

BDinfo:

 Disc Title:     DIE TRAUMER
 Disc Size:      24.468.907.833 bytes
 Protection:     AACS
 BD-Java:        No
 Extras:         50Hz Content
 BDInfo:         0.5.8

 PLAYLIST REPORT:

 Name:                   00000.MPLS
 Length:                 1:54:35.000 (h:m:s.ms)
 Size:                   22.434.717.696 bytes
 Total Bitrate:          26,11 Mbps

 VIDEO:

 Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
 -----                   -------             -----------     
 MPEG-4 AVC Video        18000 kbps          1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

 AUDIO:

 Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
 -----                           --------        -------         -----------     
 DTS-HD Master Audio             German          2149 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2149 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
 DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2143 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2143 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
 DTS-HD Master Audio             English         1683 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1683 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)

 SUBTITLES:

 Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
 -----                           --------        -------         -----------     
 Presentation Graphics           German          79,951 kbps                     
 Presentation Graphics           German          208,227 kbps

Extras are in PAL SD.

[agentalbert]

I realize this thread is for the German edition, but I'm wondering if anyone here has knowledge of the South Korean or more recent (2018) Spanish edition and can comment on the transfer or any special features.

[HaroldnMaude]

Originally Posted by agentalbert

I realize this thread is for the German edition, but I'm wondering if anyone here has knowledge of the South Korean or more recent (2018) Spanish edition and can comment on the transfer or any special features.

I ordered the Korean release off ebay this summer, it arrived this week, & I watched it tonight.

It is the unrated cut, & has English subtitles for the French but playing the subtitles gives you subtitles for everything French & English.

The screenshots links posted above seem to have been deleted.. I imagine it is the same transfer. Ok but not up to today's standards. A couple other early 2000's films I have seen recently on blu-ray were similar, in that what was state of the art digital then is no longer as good.
I last saw this film one time at a festival in the fall of 2003. I'm surprised by how much I remembered. I wanted to see it again after seeing Louis Garrel in last year's Little Women. I don't think this looks 100% as good as it did on screen projected from film, but perhaps my eye now catches things I missed? The last scene with the large group of police, it is now obvious that they are CGI'd, or footage of the same few actors reused repeatedly. I don't remember noticing that in cinema.

I haven't watched the special features. Here is what is listed:
Audio commentary with Bernardo Bertolucci, Gilbert Adair, & Jeremy Thomas
Making film
France, May 1968
Trailer 1
Trailer 2

I didn't realize that it was Eva Green in this. Of course when I saw it in 2003, it was her first film. But I now associate her most with her 3 Tim Burton films. It will be odd to rewatch those with her performance in this now refreshed in my mind. Mrs Peregrine was such a naughty girl.

I feel sorry for Michael Pitt, that he hasn't had a better career. He was so good here.

[CelestialAgent]

Reissued by Koch in July

https://bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-filme...mer_neuauflage

They are also reissuing 1900 and Stealing Beauty.

[ionsi]

Originally Posted by CelestialAgent

Reissued by Koch in July

https://bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-filme...mer_neuauflage

They are also reissuing 1900 and Stealing Beauty.

I don't know of the old edition of this movie, but watched this reissue by Koch today and besides the optional german subtitles for the main feature and the audio commentary the disc features english subtitles as well, albeit only for french speaking parts of the movie, not for it's entirety.

[CelestialAgent]

That's good news, but is the image transfer good, and are the extras in English or with English support?

[trobrianders]

Originally Posted by ionsi

I don't know of the old edition of this movie, but watched this reissue by Koch today and besides the optional german subtitles for the main feature and the audio commentary the disc features english subtitles as well, albeit only for french speaking parts of the movie, not for it's entirety.

Thanks for your useful post but could you clarify? This German disc has optional German subtitles throughout and optional English subtitles for only the French-speaking parts? Isn't that a little odd? Though it would suit my needs.

[Pepsi]

I don't know of the old edition of this movie, but watched this reissue by Koch today and besides the optional german subtitles for the main feature and the audio commentary the disc features english subtitles as well, albeit only for french speaking parts of the movie, not for it's entirety.

The old Concorde Blu-Ray don't have English subs on the French speaking parts, and the image is average.

[BunyipPouch]

Anyone know where this new re-issue can be ordered? (to import to the US)

[ionsi]

Originally Posted by BunyipPouch

Anyone know where this new re-issue can be ordered? (to import to the US)

https://www.amazon.de/Die-Tr%C3%A4umer-Bernardo-Bertolucci-Blu-ray/dp/B093RZJK3G/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3 %91&dchild=1&keywords=die+tr%C3%A4umer+blu+ray&qid =1626681105&sr=8-1

[dex14]

And this new reissue is the uncut version?

[BunyipPouch]

Originally Posted by dex14

And this new reissue is the uncut version?

Yep.

[MSims]

I ordered the Koch and its the same scan as the Concorde Blu-Ray. Although it does look better than the Concorde disc with more grain (probably because of the bigger disc size) but it still could really use a newer scan.