Why Blu-ray Can't Lose... - Blu-ray Forum

Ascended_Saiyan · 09-10-2006, 02:32 AM

Of course, I am leaving out other aspects to why Blu-ray can't lose, but here is a short version of it.

Even though the HD-DVD marketing team has been doing a great job against Blu-ray and the Blu-ray team has made a few mistakes, Blu-ray will be tied into too many things to ever lose.

The worst case scenario for Blu-ray is a tie. Here is why.

PC market is all about having more available space (more storage). No future scenario for HD-DVD includes anywhere near a 200GB disc capacity. Plus there has been no HD-DVD PC drives available to date.

All PS3 games will be on Blu-ray discs. Since they have the number gaming platform in the world, that will be tens of millions of Blu-ray discs sold a year.

That leaves movies. Worst case for movies is about 1 movie sold per console/standalone player. That's tens of millions of movies sold (that's not per year for those thinking I mean that). That's based on worst case PS3 sales of 20 to 30 million sold over the life span of the product line. Japan only bought over 22 million PS2s (and counting) over it's life span. Those numbers won't change much in Japan. So, that's saying that only 8 million units are sold throughout the rest of the world (ROFLMAO).

So, you see, the worst Blu-ray can do is tie. The worst HD-DVD can do is die. If you choose to believe HD-DVD can do anything but tie for 1st place, then that is your "Matrix". But for those who are finally starting to realize this, "welcome to the REAL world"!

jason · 09-10-2006, 03:11 AM

actually worst case for bluray would be blu ray dies, sony has the last strike by making bluray camcorders... kinda like the whole betamax vs vhs, supposedly beta was better but cost and production is what ruined it. and of course 8mm video was the betamax camcorder, ahha..

anyhoot Im joking here, but honestly in the next year Im predicting there will be a hybrid player, because if bluray or hddvd dies, the people invested in the one that failed are not going to be happy, who says they will goto the other format? and as for me Id probably just stop watching most things all together, since I bought my big screen I dont watch nearly as much anyway.

for the cost I went with hd, I was a biased bluray supporter before but $250 vs $1000 is a huge difference, not to mention I wouldnt buy a sony product if I had to.

AV_Integrated · 09-10-2006, 04:36 AM

$250 vs. $1,000 - WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?

Really, that is one of the lousiest things for an oponent to do. Why not say: $800 vs. $1,000. Or you could do $500 vs. $1,800, which is what most HD-DVD fanbois did when the Pioneer pricing was released.

Blu-ray has almost zero chance of dying. There are NO indicators for it. They have near total studio support and near total manufacturer support. Not ONE company has abandoned Blu-ray to date. HD-DVD on the other hand has had several companies that annouced players last year, that have pulled back and basically stopped with their planned player release. Yet, those for Blu-ray seem to all be pushing forward.

It simply goes against ANY indicators that Blu-ray has even the most remote chance of failure. Beta WAS better, but there were many factors that made it fail, most notably may be the lack of CE, studio, and industry support. Not one of those things is going against Blu-ray.

Of course - Beta was still the primary format used by studios as the quality rivalled VHS and until this year, was in production. Now, everything has gone to DV Cam across the industry as far as I know.

Dave · 09-10-2006, 10:41 AM

BLU-RAY FOREVER!

I think Blu-Ray will be the ultimate and most long lasting compact disc format ever to exist. After Blu-Ray there will be something else. Blu-Ray is the last and the best of those 12cm discs that changed our life!

Applefiend · 09-10-2006, 10:55 AM

Blu Ray can't lose! Because if it does I've wasted 1000 bucks!

Ascended_Saiyan · 09-10-2006, 12:42 PM

The really funny thing is that HD-DVD supporters don't really understand why Betamax lost. If they knew the real reasons, they would know that they're in Betamax's shoes. The only thing that wouldn't fit the profile is the price difference of the players.

HD-DVD supporters keep saying Betamax was the superior technology and lost. But, up until recently, HD-DVD had the superior picture quality.

Just something to think about.

phloyd · 09-11-2006, 02:58 PM

Perhaps we can have a catchall thread for whining contentless posts?

All this bickering is really getting old.

No amount of it will change the future of the formats.

Oh, and any HD DVD peeps who come here and think that they can save us all from our foolishness...? Haha - good luck.

09-10-2006, 02:32 AM	#1
Ascended_Saiyan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Atlanta, Georgia Blu-ray collection:608 Trading Score:1	Why Blu-ray Can't Lose... Of course, I am leaving out other aspects to why Blu-ray can't lose, but here is a short version of it. Even though the HD-DVD marketing team has been doing a great job against Blu-ray and the Blu-ray team has made a few mistakes, Blu-ray will be tied into too many things to ever lose. The worst case scenario for Blu-ray is a tie. Here is why. PC market is all about having more available space (more storage). No future scenario for HD-DVD includes anywhere near a 200GB disc capacity. Plus there has been no HD-DVD PC drives available to date. All PS3 games will be on Blu-ray discs. Since they have the number gaming platform in the world, that will be tens of millions of Blu-ray discs sold a year. That leaves movies. Worst case for movies is about 1 movie sold per console/standalone player. That's tens of millions of movies sold (that's not per year for those thinking I mean that). That's based on worst case PS3 sales of 20 to 30 million sold over the life span of the product line. Japan only bought over 22 million PS2s (and counting) over it's life span. Those numbers won't change much in Japan. So, that's saying that only 8 million units are sold throughout the rest of the world (ROFLMAO). So, you see, the worst Blu-ray can do is tie. The worst HD-DVD can do is die. If you choose to believe HD-DVD can do anything but tie for 1st place, then that is your "Matrix". But for those who are finally starting to realize this, "welcome to the REAL world"!

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09-10-2006, 03:11 AM	#2
jason Active Member Member since:Aug 2006	actually worst case for bluray would be blu ray dies, sony has the last strike by making bluray camcorders... kinda like the whole betamax vs vhs, supposedly beta was better but cost and production is what ruined it. and of course 8mm video was the betamax camcorder, ahha.. anyhoot Im joking here, but honestly in the next year Im predicting there will be a hybrid player, because if bluray or hddvd dies, the people invested in the one that failed are not going to be happy, who says they will goto the other format? and as for me Id probably just stop watching most things all together, since I bought my big screen I dont watch nearly as much anyway. for the cost I went with hd, I was a biased bluray supporter before but $250 vs $1000 is a huge difference, not to mention I wouldnt buy a sony product if I had to.

09-10-2006, 04:36 AM	#3
AV_Integrated Senior Member Member since:Jan 2005	$250 vs. $1,000 - WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN? Really, that is one of the lousiest things for an oponent to do. Why not say: $800 vs. $1,000. Or you could do $500 vs. $1,800, which is what most HD-DVD fanbois did when the Pioneer pricing was released. Blu-ray has almost zero chance of dying. There are NO indicators for it. They have near total studio support and near total manufacturer support. Not ONE company has abandoned Blu-ray to date. HD-DVD on the other hand has had several companies that annouced players last year, that have pulled back and basically stopped with their planned player release. Yet, those for Blu-ray seem to all be pushing forward. It simply goes against ANY indicators that Blu-ray has even the most remote chance of failure. Beta WAS better, but there were many factors that made it fail, most notably may be the lack of CE, studio, and industry support. Not one of those things is going against Blu-ray. Of course - Beta was still the primary format used by studios as the quality rivalled VHS and until this year, was in production. Now, everything has gone to DV Cam across the industry as far as I know.

09-10-2006, 10:41 AM	#4
Dave Expert Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Somewhere	BLU-RAY FOREVER! I think Blu-Ray will be the ultimate and most long lasting compact disc format ever to exist. After Blu-Ray there will be something else. Blu-Ray is the last and the best of those 12cm discs that changed our life!

09-10-2006, 10:55 AM	#5
Applefiend Active Member Member since:Jul 2006	Blu Ray can't lose! Because if it does I've wasted 1000 bucks!

09-10-2006, 12:42 PM	#6
Ascended_Saiyan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Atlanta, Georgia Blu-ray collection:608 Trading Score:1	The really funny thing is that HD-DVD supporters don't really understand why Betamax lost. If they knew the real reasons, they would know that they're in Betamax's shoes. The only thing that wouldn't fit the profile is the price difference of the players. HD-DVD supporters keep saying Betamax was the superior technology and lost. But, up until recently, HD-DVD had the superior picture quality. Just something to think about.

09-11-2006, 02:58 PM	#7
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	Perhaps we can have a catchall thread for whining contentless posts? All this bickering is really getting old. No amount of it will change the future of the formats. Oh, and any HD DVD peeps who come here and think that they can save us all from our foolishness...? Haha - good luck.

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