The potential misconception of studio support

[hmurchison]

Nice thread on the breakdown of how many US distribution rights the various studios have

If correct this is quite an interesting post from Paintiff77

The total United States film catalog (distribution rights for US only) break down as follows.
Number of Titles
Sony Pictures 336
Columbia Pictures 4224
Tri-Star Pictures 241
MGM/United Artist (Purchased By Sony) 1945
Paramount 5370
Universal 5157
Warner Brothers 3019
Warner Brothers MGM Titles via Ted Turner 2572
New-Line Cinema 521
Lionsgate 472
Disney 238
Buena Vista 812
Miramax 93
20th Century FOX 477
Dreamworks 104

BR- HD-DVD
[b]20424 -16743[/b[

If these numbers are true there is potentially less than a %5 delta in the quantity of movies available between the formats. This however doesn't speak to the quality. It is interesting nonetheless.

[phranctoast]

yeah.. universal is a big one

[Psiweaver]

Yeah but how many of those 5,000 movies do you really wanna watch?

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by Psiweaver

Yeah but how many of those 5,000 movies do you really wanna watch?

about 14, and I bought about 8 of em already, 3 more on tuesday and the Jurassic parks if/when they drop!

everything else is just filler.

[AV_Integrated]

Universal and Microsoft... Without those two factors, would we have HD-DVD?

I really am hoping that PS3 looks very good and gives enough encouragement for Universal to release in both formats. That, right there, is all I think would be needed.

While Universal is clearly a behemouth, how much of a boost does the Universal library give to Blu-ray? Another 25%? Less?

But, really, what matters is how many movies want to be seen. I can tell you, my son wants Pixar and Disney pretty much more than anything else, and you better believe that a movie like Cars or The Incredibles will be very high on my purchase list.

Still wish those Universal titles could come out on Blu-ray though.

[BTBuck1]

look at your current DVD collections, and you'll get a better idea of the studio's you enjoy films from most.

My collection consists of mainly WB,newline,SOny group, Disney & Fox titles
it's no wonder i'm a major BD supporter.

Universal, paramount and Dreamworks are a much smaller group in my collection.

My collection is sorted by studio and then alphabetically from there.

[theknub]

i know some of my favorite studios are backing BR. i'm young with a great (well, IMO... maybe not compared to most of you) sound system. thus, most of my movies are the eye candy variety with lots of loud noises. i do also have a fair amount of modern classics, but looking at my collection you would know that a guy lives here for sure. i'm just "disapointed" LOTR might not be in hi def for 2 years or so. in the meantime, upconversion baby!

[zombie]

There's no way those figures are correct. Disney in particular has gotta have more than 238 of those nasty direct to video movies alone.

[hmurchison]

Most surprising to me was that I had always thought Fox and Buena Vista would have more movies. They both have a collection of solid movies but I thought their catalogs were more extensive.

[zombie]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

Most surprising to me was that I had always thought Fox and Buena Vista would have more movies. They both have a collection of solid movies but I thought their catalogs were more extensive.

Like I said, there's no way those figures are correct.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by AV_Integrated

Universal and Microsoft... Without those two factors, would we have HD-DVD?

Absolutely not.


Not to put too fine a point on it, but why are we posting AVS FUD threads here and citing forumers from there who have rather suspect backgrounds, to say the least, like that painit guy. He's been trolling those forums since January.

I'd trust anything he posts as far as I could fly off my roof right now.

[zombie]

Originally Posted by JTK

I'd trust anything he posts as far as I could fly off my roof right now.

With or without your reindeer? You did mention you were Santa Claus the other day.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by JTK

Absolutely not.


Not to put too fine a point on it, but why are we posting AVS FUD threads here and citing forumers from there who have rather suspect backgrounds, to say the least, like that painit guy. He's been trolling those forums since January.

I'd trust anything he posts as far as I could fly off my roof right now.

it's posted here so we can get objectivity thrown back in the mix. We can effectively dismiss fud here. Over there Fud becomes fact and the tools and shills rally around this BS and start parading around chanting;

"TEH SKY IS TEHFALLINGZOR"

or something like that....

LMAO

[Deciazulado]

BR - HD-DVD
20424 - 16743

Another way to put it is:

Blu-ray : 80% of movies
HD DVD: 65% of movies

[Ascended_Saiyan]

Originally Posted by hmurchison

Nice thread on the breakdown of how many US distribution rights the various studios have

If correct this is quite an interesting post from Paintiff77




If these numbers are true there is potentially less than a %5 delta in the quantity of movies available between the formats. This however doesn't speak to the quality. It is interesting nonetheless.

I think the numbers we should look at are from the past decade or so. Those numbers can be found at The-Numbers.com

[theknub]

off track a tad: is Buena Vista's Disneys distribution company? i don't see disney or pixar on the list so am thinking that may be the case.

[Deciazulado]

theknub: Buena Vista ->Disney, Pixar


I made a quick summary of the numbers in Ascended_Saiyan's link, grouping the mayors into those below (example: Miramax went to Buena Vista) and I left off a lot of the mini minors, which are legion but small.


For the last decade,

Total movies/ Total box office sales in billions

Universal 288 movies $12 billion
Warner Brothers 351 movies $14.2 billion
New Line 178 movies $6.6 billion
Paramount 286 movies $10.2 billion
Dreamworks 78 movies $4.9 billion
Weinstein 17 movies $0.3 billion
Sony 669 movies $14.6 billion
20th Century Fox 461 movies $14.4 billion
MGM 189 movies $3.7 billion
Lionsgate 119 movies $1 billion
Buena Vista 736 movies $21.5 billion
Artisan 54 $0.5 billion

Total: 3426 movies $103.9 billion sales


So if we look at the last decade, as things stand now:

Total potential HD DVD titles: 1181 movies (34.5%)
Total potential Blu-ray titles: 3138 movies (91.6%)

Total popularity of potential HD DVD titles: $47.3 billion (46.1%)
Total popularity of potential Blu-ray titles: $91.8 billion (88.5%)


Potential titles exclusive to HD DVD 288 movies (8.4%) (yes 8.4%)
Potential titles exclusive to Blu-ray 2228 movies (65.0%)

Total popularity of potential titles exclusive to HD DVD: $12 billion (11.6%)
Total popularity of potential titles exclusive to Blu-ray: $55.7 billion (53.6%)

This are just numbers and they may not reflect reality when true release patterns come out but,

2/3rds of recent movies exclusive to Blu-ray?
Half of the best selling titles exclusive to Blu-ray?
About just one tenth of the most recent/best selling movies exclusive to HD DVD?

90% of recent movies on Blu-ray vs 40% in HD DVD? ( I averaged titles and box office popularity for that one)


Food for thought

[ethan]

Disney owns :

Buena Vista
Walt Disney Studios
Walt Disney Pictures
Walt Disney Feature Animation
Touchstone Pictures
Pixar Animation Studios
Miramax Films
Miramax Family Films
Hollywood Pictures

Sony owns :

Columbia Pictures
TriStar Pictures
Sony Pictures Classics
Screen Gems
Triumph Films
Destination Films
MGM
United Artists
The Samuel Goldwyn Company
Orion Pictures
American International Pictures (AIP)
Filmways

FOX owns :

20th Century Fox
20th Century Fox Animation
Fox Searchlight Pictures
Blue Sky Studios

UNIVERSAL owns :

Universal Studios
Focus Features
Rogue Pictures
Working Title Films

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With these details on hand, I took the time to count what I have in my collection of about 300 DVDs :
hddvd exclusive studios : 22
bluray exclusive studios : 129

Almost HALF is from bluray exclusive studios, and the hddvd exclusive count is negligible, why even bother with hddvd ?

[JTK]

Originally Posted by ethan

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With these details on hand, I took the time to count what I have in my collection of about 300 DVDs :
hddvd exclusive studios : 22
bluray exclusive studios : 129

Almost HALF is from bluray exclusive studios, and the hddvd exclusive count is negligible, why even bother with hddvd ?

Oh noes, because Sony is teh suxxxorez and Beta-blew-ray is also teh suzxorez!!!!!

I can import a handful of those movies from the other side of the globe, nevermind prices, to play on my Tosheeeba to prove some kinda point!

Yeah!

[thunderhawk]

Nice summary ethan.

Toshiba... Still a funny name. Lol ^^