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Croweyes1121 · 01-14-2008, 06:57 PM

Bill Hunt writes today that Toshiba has "convinced" Paramount and Universal not to make any Blu-ray announcements for a few MONTHS?!! April or May now???? COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I HATE Toshiba. They have absolutely no shame at all. This should be OVER. DONE! Come on, Toshiba! Save at least SOME of your diginity already. This is pitiful. Not to mention despicable!! I can't believe they're doing this under the guise of helping the consumer. What a friggin' joke! COME ON, Universal and Paramount, do the right thing and END this!!! PLEASE?????????!!!!!!!!!

OokieSpookie · 01-14-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

Bill Hunt writes today that Toshiba has "convinced" Paramount and Universal not to make any Blu-ray announcements for a few MONTHS?!! April or May now???? COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I HATE Toshiba. They have absolutely no shame at all. This should be OVER. DONE! Come on, Toshiba! Save at least SOME of your diginity already. This is pitiful. Not to mention despicable!! I can't believe they're doing this under the guise of helping the consumer. What a friggin' joke! COME ON, Universal and Paramount, do the right thing and END this!!!

As much as I hate Toshiba and blame them, I blame Universal and Paramount even more.
This is unreal and completely pathetic.

Blu Titan · 01-14-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

As much as I hate Toshiba and blame them, I blame Universal and Paramount even more.
This is unreal and completely pathetic.

I agree 100% this is a bunch of garbage. Everybody just plays their little games, and the customer ges shafted. BTW Graffeo is an a$$. There, I feel much better now!

The Don · 01-14-2008, 08:08 PM

the article doesn't say they Convinced Paramount/Universal...

it doesn't say that at all...

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Sources are telling us that they may have gotten Paramount and Universal to delay making any Blu-ray announcements for a couple of months (until late March or early April)

"may have"....not that it is official...

Spider1981 · 01-14-2008, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Don

the article doesn't say they Convinced Paramount/Universal...

it doesn't say that at all...

"may have"....not that it is official...

Max on the insiders thread is saying he's pretty sure Universal slutted themselves out again for more cash.

The Don · 01-14-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider1981

Max on the insiders thread is saying he's pretty sure Universal slutted themselves out again for more cash.

ahaha...Universal and Paramount sure do love spreading their wings...

Spankey · 01-14-2008, 08:12 PM

It seems like Toshiba wants the two studios to stay with HD-DVD as long as Warner is still releasing titles on the format. It is a pretty crummy thing for Toshiba to do. In essence, they are hoping to hoodwink, unsuspecting customers into buying into a dead format.

Paramount and Universal would be just as guilty. It may be their way to get back at Warner, and try to sell remaining software inventory as well.

I said it before and will say it again. I will never pay full price for any Paramount and Universal releases until they hit bargain bin prices.

Spider1981 · 01-14-2008, 07:00 PM

Though I had no respect for Toshiba since forever, I have now lost respect for Paramount and Universal.
It became clear what was going to happen and what needs to happen on January 4th when Warner Bothers cast their swing-vote.
The fact that those 2 hold-outs are going to stick with it makes me seriously question their ability to forecast for their own companies best interests and the interests of the entire industry.
This pisses me off so much.

JackStraw · 01-14-2008, 07:00 PM

I'd love to see where or how Toshiba makes any money off of this. More upconverting players for the masses I suppose, but it's not gonna make a lick of difference on the software side.

They can "convince" Paramount and Universal all they want ("please stay...pretty please stay"...), they're going to follow the money if it's to be made, and some sort of gentleman's agreement won't stop those studios from jumping ship.

Keep in mind that Bill also mentioned the possibility of those players not being restocked, either. If that's the case then once they're gone, they're gone.

MotionBlurr · 01-14-2008, 07:04 PM

If this is true, I have lost total respect of Uni and Para.

OokieSpookie · 01-14-2008, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MotionBlurr

If this is true, I have lost total respect of Uni and Para.

Exactly.
If they DO have plans to go blu, then they are assisting in screwing over consumers willingly and knowingly.
If they do not have plans of going blu then they are idiots and we have been given false information.

greekjgg · 01-14-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OokieSpookie

Exactly.
If they DO have plans to go blu, then they are assisting in screwing over consumers willingly and knowingly.
If they do not have plans of going blu then they are idiots and we have been given false information.

Guys, this is no surprise, both uni and paramount need to liquidate too. This gives them a couple months while they put the blu plans in place.

Hassoon · 01-14-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by greekjgg

Guys, this is no surprise, both uni and paramount need to liquidate too. This gives them a couple months while they put the blu plans in place.

I heard there's plenty of space next to the hundreds of Atari versions of E.T.

MrRoy · 01-14-2008, 07:14 PM

The best things come to those who wait. I believe that yes, both studios need to get rid of their HD stock. When that is gone, game on!

whippersnapper · 01-14-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JackStraw

I'd love to see where or how Toshiba makes any money off of this. More upconverting players for the masses I suppose, but it's not gonna make a lick of difference on the software side.

They can "convince" Paramount and Universal all they want ("please stay...pretty please stay"...), they're going to follow the money if it's to be made, and some sort of gentleman's agreement won't stop those studios from jumping ship.

Keep in mind that Bill also mentioned the possibility of those players not being restocked, either. If that's the case then once they're gone, they're gone.

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I'd love to see where or how Toshiba makes any money off of this.

At this point I think that Toshiba is most interested in unloading existing inventory onto unknowing suckers. That will cut their losses somewhat.

Grisle · 01-14-2008, 08:57 PM

It really does seem like they're just setting up a fire sale...hardware and software.

GooMan · 01-14-2008, 09:04 PM

For what its worth (and I think this has been pointed out in other posts) Bill only said that they are delaying any announcements, I understand that to mean Toshiba has asked/convinced them to not say anything until they are ready to start actually selling Blu-ray discs. That way they are all able to clear out what inventory they have and try to mitigate/recover as much of their investment in the format as they can before they shut the whole thing down.

Of course, as has been said countless times before, speculation means nothing until it is official (of course once its over what is there left to discuss?)

Teazle · 01-14-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Grisle

It really does seem like they're just setting up a fire sale...hardware and software.

If they weren't, they'd at least have announced the A4 by now ...

HeavyHitter · 01-14-2008, 07:34 PM

Hey, if Paramount and Universal want to be remembered as the ones who stuck with the losing, embarassing format, so be it. It's quite clear now as to which studios have no desire to see a single format.

Pav · 01-14-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Croweyes1121

Bill Hunt writes today that Toshiba has "convinced" Paramount and Universal not to make any Blu-ray announcements for a few MONTHS?!! April or May now???? COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I HATE Toshiba. They have absolutely no shame at all. This should be OVER. DONE! Come on, Toshiba! Save at least SOME of your diginity already. This is pitiful. Not to mention despicable!! I can't believe they're doing this under the guise of helping the consumer. What a friggin' joke! COME ON, Universal and Paramount, do the right thing and END this!!! PLEASE?????????!!!!!!!!!

toshiba must have some sort of hold over paramount/universal to be able to achieve this. This coupled with the fact that they are slashing their hard prices justy smacks of desperation and will only prolong the inevitable. I don't disagree with those who purely blame universal/paramount for this.

any person who from now on (we can have some sympathy for those who until warner pulled out of hd dvd) who invests in buying a hd dvd player is very breave or more likely extremely stupid

01-14-2008, 06:57 PM	#1
Croweyes1121 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:May 2007 Location:Acworth, GA 4K collection:198 Blu-ray collection:549 DVD collection:113 Digital collection:373 Blu-ray reviews: 11 Trading Score:32	Hunt's newest article... Bill Hunt writes today that Toshiba has "convinced" Paramount and Universal not to make any Blu-ray announcements for a few MONTHS?!! April or May now???? COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I HATE Toshiba. They have absolutely no shame at all. This should be OVER. DONE! Come on, Toshiba! Save at least SOME of your diginity already. This is pitiful. Not to mention despicable!! I can't believe they're doing this under the guise of helping the consumer. What a friggin' joke! COME ON, Universal and Paramount, do the right thing and END this!!! PLEASE?????????!!!!!!!!! Last edited by Croweyes1121; 01-14-2008 at 06:59 PM.

01-14-2008, 07:00 PM	#9
JackStraw Senior Member Member since:Nov 2007	I'd love to see where or how Toshiba makes any money off of this. More upconverting players for the masses I suppose, but it's not gonna make a lick of difference on the software side. They can "convince" Paramount and Universal all they want ("please stay...pretty please stay"...), they're going to follow the money if it's to be made, and some sort of gentleman's agreement won't stop those studios from jumping ship. Keep in mind that Bill also mentioned the possibility of those players not being restocked, either. If that's the case then once they're gone, they're gone. Last edited by JackStraw; 01-14-2008 at 07:04 PM.

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01-14-2008, 08:12 PM	#7
Spankey Power Member Member since:Oct 2006	It seems like Toshiba wants the two studios to stay with HD-DVD as long as Warner is still releasing titles on the format. It is a pretty crummy thing for Toshiba to do. In essence, they are hoping to hoodwink, unsuspecting customers into buying into a dead format. Paramount and Universal would be just as guilty. It may be their way to get back at Warner, and try to sell remaining software inventory as well. I said it before and will say it again. I will never pay full price for any Paramount and Universal releases until they hit bargain bin prices.

01-14-2008, 07:00 PM	#8
Spider1981 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Jefferson City, MO. Posts: Eleventy Billion Blu-ray collection:138	Though I had no respect for Toshiba since forever, I have now lost respect for Paramount and Universal. It became clear what was going to happen and what needs to happen on January 4th when Warner Bothers cast their swing-vote. The fact that those 2 hold-outs are going to stick with it makes me seriously question their ability to forecast for their own companies best interests and the interests of the entire industry. This pisses me off so much.

01-14-2008, 07:04 PM	#10
MotionBlurr Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	If this is true, I have lost total respect of Uni and Para.

01-14-2008, 07:14 PM	#14
MrRoy Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 Home Theater Gallery:5 Blu-ray collection:39	The best things come to those who wait. I believe that yes, both studios need to get rid of their HD stock. When that is gone, game on!

01-14-2008, 08:57 PM	#16
Grisle Power Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Northern California 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:18 Trading Score:12	It really does seem like they're just setting up a fire sale...hardware and software.

01-14-2008, 09:04 PM	#17
GooMan Active Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray collection:410 DVD collection:390	For what its worth (and I think this has been pointed out in other posts) Bill only said that they are delaying any announcements, I understand that to mean Toshiba has asked/convinced them to not say anything until they are ready to start actually selling Blu-ray discs. That way they are all able to clear out what inventory they have and try to mitigate/recover as much of their investment in the format as they can before they shut the whole thing down. Of course, as has been said countless times before, speculation means nothing until it is official (of course once its over what is there left to discuss?)

01-14-2008, 07:34 PM	#19
HeavyHitter Blu-ray Baron Member since:Jul 2007 Home Theater Gallery:4 Trading Score:154	Hey, if Paramount and Universal want to be remembered as the ones who stuck with the losing, embarassing format, so be it. It's quite clear now as to which studios have no desire to see a single format.

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