What the Snyder Cut can do for other filmmakers going forward.

[TheSweetieMan]

So after watching that film super early in the morning (which I thoroughly enjoyed as a non-Snyder fan who doesn't know much about the lore of DC) I started thinking about what the benefits of streaming services could have for filmmakers going forward, as opposed to the usual 'doom and gloom' takes you usually get from filmmakers that are resistant to streaming.

1.) Between the Snyder Cut and Martin Scorsese's 'The Irishman', these services now make it more feasible for directors to do every little thing they want to commit to screen, without having to worry about limiting its run-times for the benefit of studio chains and the amount of show times they can do per theater -- as well as not having to worry about restless audience members, since people can get up to relieve themselves, or top off their beverages/snacks at their own discretion.

2.) Full creative independence. This ties a little bit into point one; With not having to worry much about having to account for a specific run-time, it now allows filmmakers and content creators to flesh out every idea they find important, without having to compromise for any specific reason. Plus, we've yet to really hear anything about a streaming service attempting to dictate the artistic direction of a filmmaker's ideas. So, if you can reduce the always cringe 'white-collar executive that thinks they know what it means to be creative' stuff that usually seems to ruin films more than the filmmakers themselves, it also allows more directors to explore this avenue of filmmaking with full creative reign.

3.) More tools to play with. While this could coincide with point two, with services like Netflix and Amazon mandating 4K-shot films/shots, with HDR and Dolby Vision as well, it means they won't be restricted by studios to do 2K-DIs or find ways to cut corners to save production costs. So they not only get to stretch their narrative structures out to lengths that fit their creative vision, but they also get to optimize their visuals in every aspect for the streaming service to market to their subscribers. This is actually one of the things I really like about Netflix and Amazon.

Any thing else anyone wants to add?

I think regardless of what people's thoughts are on Zack Snyder or his films, what HBO Max did with the Snyder Cut was unprecedented -- and looking at both the surprisingly well-received critical response, and overwhelmingly positive audience response, I think this could have streaming juggernauts using similar templates to lure talented filmmakers away from the traditional Hollywood system. I mean, just look at what Netflix is doing now with David Fincher.

So, in contrary to the typical knocks against streaming services, I thought we could use this to show the benefit of what it can do for the content creator.

[Lee A Stewart]

Don't confuse movies shown on TV versus movies shown in theaters. Both the studios and the theaters do not like long runtime movies. It reduces the number of daily showings which reduces revenue for both parties.

[Samus Aran]

Studio interference will never stop. There's just too much money at stake. However, I'll never understand how executives and filmmakers aren't always on the same page by the time the movie starts filming.

At the very least, hopefully whoever owns the Weinstein library will allow the filmmakers to correct their movies that Harvey drastically hacked to pieces.

[L.J.]

Hope it ushers in more films done the way the director intends it to be. Do understand tho that these will still have producers, writers, and so on.

[Mr. Chaverria]

Originally Posted by L.J.

Hope it ushers in more films done the way the director intends it to be. Do understand tho that these will still have producers, writers, and so on.

It's a give and take. The JL we got would have never happened even before Snyder left. What we got is a mess of circumstances that brought us here. Some good but mostly bad.

Theaters and Studios live and thrive in real time to make money. Streaming lives in a world where real time doesn't matter in terms of product that brings money in. They're a whole different platform of money.

[Mr. Kopfrkingl]

4) Show "How not to make a comic book movie"... especially a 4 hour one.

[Jay H.]

4 hours. FFS.

[Martoto]

I think you're way overthinking this.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by TheSweetieMan

So after watching that film super early in the morning (which I thoroughly enjoyed as a non-Snyder fan who doesn't know much about the lore of DC) I started thinking about what the benefits of streaming services could have for filmmakers going forward, as opposed to the usual 'doom and gloom' takes you usually get from filmmakers that are resistant to streaming.

1.) Between the Snyder Cut and Martin Scorsese's 'The Irishman', these services now make it more feasible for directors to do every little thing they want to commit to screen, without having to worry about limiting its run-times for the benefit of studio chains and the amount of show times they can do per theater -- as well as not having to worry about restless audience members, since people can get up to relieve themselves, or top off their beverages/snacks at their own discretion.

2.) Full creative independence. This ties a little bit into point one; With not having to worry much about having to account for a specific run-time, it now allows filmmakers and content creators to flesh out every idea they find important, without having to compromise for any specific reason. Plus, we've yet to really hear anything about a streaming service attempting to dictate the artistic direction of a filmmaker's ideas. So, if you can reduce the always cringe 'white-collar executive that thinks they know what it means to be creative' stuff that usually seems to ruin films more than the filmmakers themselves, it also allows more directors to explore this avenue of filmmaking with full creative reign.

3.) More tools to play with. While this could coincide with point two, with services like Netflix and Amazon mandating 4K-shot films/shots, with HDR and Dolby Vision as well, it means they won't be restricted by studios to do 2K-DIs or find ways to cut corners to save production costs. So they not only get to stretch their narrative structures out to lengths that fit their creative vision, but they also get to optimize their visuals in every aspect for the streaming service to market to their subscribers. This is actually one of the things I really like about Netflix and Amazon.

Any thing else anyone wants to add?

I think regardless of what people's thoughts are on Zack Snyder or his films, what HBO Max did with the Snyder Cut was unprecedented -- and looking at both the surprisingly well-received critical response, and overwhelmingly positive audience response, I think this could have streaming juggernauts using similar templates to lure talented filmmakers away from the traditional Hollywood system. I mean, just look at what Netflix is doing now with David Fincher.

So, in contrary to the typical knocks against streaming services, I thought we could use this to show the benefit of what it can do for the content creator.

The only issue with that is whatever vision the creatives intend is going to be diluted by very limited bit rates and introduce compression artefacts. So the grand vision is going to be massively compromised by the time it hits those streaming services.

[imsounoriginal]

Most/all of these benefits will eventually disappear, too. Right now the streaming services are in a feeding frenzy; they just need content to one-up the other guys, and they don't care what it is or what it costs. The dust will inevitably settle and they'll become more like the traditional studios, who in turn, having lost so many theatrical viewers to the streaming-only model, may decide it's in their interest to loosen creative restrictions in order to woo audiences back. Maybe wishful thinking, but this creative and financial nirvana that the streamers have created can't last.

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by imsounoriginal

Most/all of these benefits will eventually disappear, too. Right now the streaming services are in a feeding frenzy; they just need content to one-up the other guys, and they don't care what it is or what it costs. The dust will inevitably settle and they'll become more like the traditional studios, who in turn, having lost so many theatrical viewers to the streaming-only model, may decide it's in their interest to loosen creative restrictions in order to woo audiences back. Maybe wishful thinking, but this creative and financial nirvana that the streamers have created can't last.

Oh it will not only last, but streaming will flourish in the future because it is the future of home entertainment.

Movie theater attendance in NA has been flat for almost 10 years. No growth whatsoever. The only thing that goes up are the ticket prices - every year.

Netflix has over 200M subs. If the average sub generates $10 a month that's $2B a month. $24B a year.

There is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for a select few who understand how to leverage their own streaming service ala Disney.

[Schwartzy]

Originally Posted by Lee A Stewart

Oh it will not only last, but streaming will flourish in the future because it is the future of home entertainment.

Movie theater attendance in NA has been flat for almost 10 years. No growth whatsoever. The only thing that goes up are the ticket prices - every year.

Netflix has over 200M subs. If the average sub generates $10 a month that's $2B a month. $24B a year.

There is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for a select few who understand how to leverage their own streaming service ala Disney.

isnt netflix still 15 billion in debt?

[Lee A Stewart]

Originally Posted by Schwartzy

isnt netflix still 15 billion in debt?

Being in debt, especially that low of an amount for a $200B+ company is not big deal at all. AT&T which has the same Market Cap* as Netflix, is carrying $190B while Disney has $64B.

*Market Cap is the number of outstanding shares times the share price.

[Poya]

You also need fans to keep harassing the executives.

[Prog5000]

I'm pretty show JL only got finished because of COVID, HBO max needing content and fan outcry. This won't become a common practise.

[Hoke Moseley]

Release the De Palma cut (of The Black Dahlia).

[oubukibun]

For starters, they can release the director's cut of Batman Forever, thank you very much.

[JayTL]

I really think this is such a unique situation and really won't happen regularly

[bferr1972]

Well, I like that Netflix gave Orson Welles' "The Other Side of the Wind" an outlet after that movie was tied up for the better part of four decades. I also like that HBO Max gave Synder a shot at finishing JL. Personally, streamers-as-second-chance is a trend that I would like to see continue...

[CrazyBlu-RayFan]

Probably even more director's cuts of movies.