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Disclaimer: I'm both a big fan of streaming, and also a physical media lover (that does include blu-ray/DVDs). When it comes to streaming, beside being a fan, I'm also a critic of streaming. Yep, you can say I do have a love-hate relationship when it comes to streaming. I have said this time to time on blu-ray.com forum on some topic.
The reason I created this topic here is because I never thought I would see this on Netflix (or any streaming providers) would ever do this. Removing their own original brand TV shows from their streaming service, and I'm not making this up. Article in question: What's on Netflix's article-Netflix's original, ‘Cooking on High’ & ‘Heavy Rescue: 401’ Leaving Netflix in June 2021 Let me quote the article: Quote:
![]() ![]() When I read that article today and saw it for myself on Netflix, I got scared because this could happened to any of my Netflix-original TV shows/films I'm planning (or have plans) to watch on Netflix. And now my hate relationship with Netflix & streaming in general has went up after reading this article. I never thought I would see 2 Netflix original TV series being removed from Netflix. Now I worried that if any original-brand TV shows and films could end up removed on Netflix or any streaming sites in the near future. Like for example, I'm a K-drama fans, should I be worried that Night Light, a Korean TV drama that is being distributed by Netflix in the US and internationally end up being gone from Netflix 5 or 10 years from now? What about Netflix exclusive anime like Neon Genesis Evangelion, and Saint Seiya? Will those 2 Netflix-exclusive old-school anime be removed from Netflix 5 or 10 years from now? What about all those exclusive international TV shows/films Netflix handled and distributed? Are we expecting some of Netflix exclusive foreign films/TV shows to be gone from Netflix in the US (or in Europe, or whatever country you're watching your Netflix stuff) a few years from now after this post/topic has been posted? This is what I worried about a streaming provider-branded "original" TV shows or films being "gone" from Netflix forever. And this news of 2 Netflix's Original TV shows being removed from Netflix now makes me worry if Neon Genesis Evangelion, Saint Seiya, or even Netflix's original K-drama or foreign TV dramas could be remove from Netflix 5 or 10 years from now. It's not only Netflix I worried about, now I'm concern if any "original" TV shows and films on Disney+, and HBO Max could face this similar scenario. To anyone on blu-ray.com forum that argue to keep physical media like blu-ray/DVDs alive in this time of streaming (which I'm part of that demographic), there's your proof about streaming can't replace physical media. The 2 Netflix original series being removed from Netflix next month should be evident enough to say why blu-ray/DVDs should be still relevent in the era of streaming. What are your thought on this? Last edited by mdo7; 08-20-2022 at 06:03 AM. Reason: changing the topic title to include Prime Video, Disney+, HBO Max, etc... beyond Netflix |
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I don't think this is particularly new or surprising. Most "Netflix originals" are actually produced by other companies, and it depends on the contracts how long the rights remain with Netflix. After the rights revert back, the licensor has the option to release the content through other channels (e.g. on disc or another streaming service) if they think it makes business sense. It's really not much different from what happens with many TV shows. BTW, there are tons of forgotten TV shows that have never been released on disc or only in a few international markets.
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Thanks given by: | mdo7 (05-27-2021), ps3bd_owner (01-28-2022) |
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Yes, a lot of "Netflix Originals" are exclusive to Netflix, but they are not owned outright. As such, in the future Netflix will need to choose to renew content or in the examples above, allow it to expire and leave their service. Adding complexity is whether or not the content is "bundled" with other content, meaning Netflix or whoever will decide if there's an overall net benefit in keeping the package of shows/movies. Even a number of the major/landmark Netflix Originals released over the years are not Netflix-owned. This isn't exclusive to Netflix either. The Amazon-MGM deal this week highlighted that Hulu does not own the famous series Handmaid's Tale - MGM does. So that "Hulu Original" was never guaranteed Hulu content for subscribers in that sense either.
That said, and someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that the streaming services owned by the major US media companies -HBO Max, Peacock, Paramount+, Disney+- are so far mostly branding "original" content which they actually own. This does not mean 100% of their originals are owned by them, but it's nowhere near the scale of Netflix's "Originals problem". We'll see what approach AppleTV+ goes with in the future, or to what extent Netflix changes their strategy. |
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Thanks given by: | mdo7 (05-27-2021) |
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Sorry but this isn't news to me!
Netflix long ago removed one of my favourite sci-fi shows, The Time Ministry, even tough they own the rights to the first two seasons and produced a third one. I'm OK only because I'd already bought the imported blu-rays, so I'm not as upset as I would otherwise be. |
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Makes me wonder how many other Netflix's "Originals" had also disappear on Netflix. Also, I just suddenly recalled seeing Disney removing some of their content from Disney+ like for example:
The Wolverine (now on HBO Max) removed from Disney+ Ramona & Beezus (20th Century content) removed from Disney+ And these aren't the only Disney/20th Century contents that "disappeared" from Disney+. A section explained why that happened. I'm also reminded that even WB content will be removed from HBO Max despite WB owned HBO Max. |
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Heavy Rescue: 401 was a licensed content from a 3rd party, I'm not sure why Netflix would label this as a Netflix show if it's like their 3rd party shows they have on their catalog. And about Cooking on High, that show is actually a Netflix-created show, not a co-production or a 3rd party license like Heavy Rescue: 401. That's the big difference, a Netflix-created show getting removed from Netflix's platform. This is a big deal for me when it comes to watching a original production on streaming whether it's Netflix, Disney+, HBO Max, or Amazon Prime Video. Could you imagine Netflix removing Stranger Things from their platform in the near future? Or what about this, imagine Netflix removing Away, or Sense8 from their platform in the near future? Try imagining Netflix removing Extinction from their platform. This is why I got scared when I found out a Netflix-created show like Cooking on High is getting removed from the platform. That open the possibility of other Netflix-created show (or Netflix-created movies) can get remove from Netflix in the near future. Cooking on High proves that even Netflix-created show aren't immune from being removed on Netflix. Now I worried about other Netflix-created content can face a similar fate like Cooking on High. |
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"Cooking on High is the next Netflix Original series to be removed. Only one season of this cooking show was produced by Stage 13 for Netflix. Stage 13 is owned by Warner Brothers Entertainment so our guess is that Netflix only licensed the show globally as a Netflix Original for a fixed time period and now will revert back to Warner Brothers. If we had to guess, we’d say the show may turn up on HBO Max." |
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Thanks given by: | mdo7 (05-28-2021) |
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![]() Now I understand why that show is getting removed on Netflix, and Stage 13 being owned by WB does explain it. So that means Netflix's upcoming TV adaptation of Vertigo/DC Comics' Sweet Tooth: May not stay on Netflix forever, it could end up on HBO Max maybe 5 years from now on. But still, seeing 2 Netflix "original" shows being removed from Netflix already caused enough damage to me (and some other observant Netflix viewers), now I get scared if any Netflix-created shows and films could end up being removed on Netflix in the future even if they're original or created by Netflix. It still raises question if other Netflix's original TV shows and films could face similar fate. The last thing I want to see is Stranger Things, Away, or Sense8 being removed from Netflix in the near future. Quote:
So now I can confirmed without any certainty that some Netflix exclusive anime like Neon Genesis Evangelion, Saint Seiya, or K-dramas like Night Light may not stay on Netflix forever despite carrying the "Netflix Original" label on there. But what about Netflix created/produced show like Marco Polo, Stranger things, Sense8? Are those shows can be gone from Netflix in the near future? What about Netflix-produced/created foreign shows like The Rain, Nowhere Man, Into the Night, are those foreign shows produced/created by Netflix also prone to removal from their platform in the future? See this is why the removal of 2 Netflix's "original" shows worries me. And it's not only Netflix, I also worried something like this can happen on Prime Video, Disney+, HBO Max, etc.... All those people on this forum that argued to keep blu-ray (and other physical media) be kept alive, this news of Netflix's removal of their 2 "original" shows is a gift for the pro-blu-ray/pro-physical media to back up their argument about streaming not reliable. |
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That's just the nature of subscription streaming services. Some high-profile shows (like Stranger Things on Netflix or Game of Thrones on HBO Max) will likely never leave, but everything else might. But if something leaves, it'll probably pop up somewhere else (be it another streaming service, disc, or electronic sell-through) because the studios hate having content lying around that doesn't make money in some form.
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Thanks given by: | mdo7 (05-28-2021) |
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And this doesn't even get to the issue of needing to be subscribed to a service to access it in many cases. Love watching The Mandalorian, for example? Well there's no sudden desire to watch it and dropping it into your Blu-ray player. You'll need to sign up for a streaming service, D+ in this case, to watch it. Just wait for the added pain if we get to a future where companies no longer have monthly plans but want you to buy a bundle (six months, a year, etc) to avoid people burning through a bunch of content and dropping it after a couple of weeks. Quote:
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You'll want to draw a distinction between Netflix, like a TV network, "ordering" a show versus them actually owning a show. Netflix has ordered a range of shows which they don't own - so despite it always being intended to go to Netflix, it still doesn't mean Netflix owns it. Netflix does not "own" The Crown to my knowledge, as an example.
So just be mindful of something being "Netflix-created", "Netflix-ordered", or "Netflix Original". They don't automatically mean Netflix owns it. It can just as well mean that they ordered the show and helped to get it made, but from there licensed the rights to it - thereby meaning they'll need to keep renewing the rights, assuming both parties want to do so. |
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Thanks given by: | mdo7 (05-28-2021) |
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It doesn't make much sense for Netflix to spend billions on content only to not own everything. If that turned out to be the case, that'd be one of the most stupid decisions made.
The reason they even got into spending so much was foresight that eventually the studios would pull their content. I don't see that being paired with no ownership. There have to be different types of deals, as I can't imagine them all being structured like the ones in your OP. Also the future you speak of is highly likely mainly because it costs a lot of $ to host all these files and if no one is watching them, then why keep it on the platform? We only have Netflix really here, but I've seen Apple, HBO and Prime and others online and none of them actually make it easy for you to find things. Yes, there are recommendations, but otherwise you need to know what you want to watch to bother using the search functions. I can't remember which sites, I think this one has one as well, but some allow you to search for plots and themes etc. That would be a great addition to all of these platforms. They also have to find a way for their content to retain value over time which even the traditional studios have been pretty poor at doing. Look at how many films have been lost and also how many people have no interest in 'old' films. Yeah, not everything will hold up, but a lot of films aren't given the chance. They could have filmmakers top 10s of the decades or of genres, or they could incorporate what sites like Criticker have done and match your taste with other users. That would give people more of an incentive to actually rate the movies they've seen. Lastly, this is obviously nearly irrelevant for us but nevertheless, if copyright hadn't been extended by the corporate slave monkeys in the US government, films from the 1950s would already be in the public domain. Obviously it doesn't help you losing access to films after the public domain date, but every year another year of films will enter and you'll have 'permanent' rights. It could have been glorious. Now it's still only in the 1920s, of which most films are probably lost due to age and other factors - and more will continue to be lost just because of the unnecessary delayed public domain date. |
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Reverts back to the "different agreements" topic.
Similarly, different movies can have different companies involved in production or with different distribution rights depending on the territory. Not that THAT probably occurred with this film, but that's why things can be so very different. Ultimately none of these agreements are public (at best we may get an off-hand comment from an exec or something on bigger deals) so we can only really speculate. But these oddities are quite routine (oxymoron?) so it's not very surprising. |
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In my previous posts, I dread the idea of a streaming platform removing their own original documentary (whether it's a film or mini-series) from their catalog and probably never to be seen again. Anybody watching Marching Orders? I'm afraid that fear has come true, look what I saw today:
Netflix Original Series ‘Marching Orders’ Leaving Netflix in August 2021 ![]() This is why I get scared if any of Netflix's original documentaries get removed from Netflix. These original documentaries on Netflix don't have physical media release in other word, no blu-ray/DVD release. So how are people that liked a certain Netflix's original documentaries films/series going to re-watch it if in the future it'll get remove from Netflix. About Marching Orders, there may be good news. I just found out Marching Order's production was done by Stage13, the same company behind another Netflix documentary that got removed earlier. Stage13 is owned by Warner Bros. So that means I have to assume Marching Orders may find it's way into HBO Max (hopefully, if it's not it's gone forever). That could be good news for Netflix subscribers that are also HBO Max subscribers too. But it doesn't wipe away my fear that other Netflix's original documentaries could face removal from the platform in the near future. I would be scared if Spycraft, or History of Swear Words (both Netflix original documentaries) would be gone in the near future and either end up on another streaming platform where some of us may not have subscription or gone forever with no physical media release. |
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So another Netflix's original show, The Investigator: A British Crime Story will be leaving Netflix on August 19 according to What's on Netflix's observation. It's unknown where this show will make an appearance on.
Again, the pro-physical media people are going to use these as evidences to argue why streaming is not a good replacement alternative for blu-ray. Because of "original" shows can disappear from a streaming platform, and Netflix kind of proves that. |
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Thanks given by: | bhampton (05-05-2022) |
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