Marantz 2023 Flagship CINEMA 40 9.4 ch. A/V Receiver

[Robert Zohn]

Marantz's very first allocation of their new flagship CINEMA 40 9.4 125 Watts per channel A/V receiver has just shipped to our store.

Marantz's CINEMA 40 has a Premium 9.4 channel 125-watts-per-channel amplification, Dolby Atmos, DTS:X Auro 3D, and 8K Ultra HD plus HEOS Built-in streaming. CINEMA 40 is a reference level A/V Receiver, and priced very reasonably at $3,499 MSRP.

[Robert Zohn]

We are loving Marantz's new flagship receiver! I set one up in a new luxury Theater we built in our new multi-Cinema demo rooms and the audio fidelity and detail is exceptional.

[JohnAV]

Comparing the inside of a $3500 Marantz Cinema 40 to a $2500 Denon x4800h. If that is Marantz flagship, then the Denon is worth checking out also.

[Geezer00003]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Comparing the inside of a $3500 Marantz Cinema 40 to a $2500 Denon x4800h. If that is Marantz flagship, then the Denon is worth checking out also.

Comparable Denon and Marantz units share up to %55 of the same components while the rest is specific to each brand. So while similar in appearance differences can be marked!
Yeah the Cinema 40 is tops of the cinema line but is it the Marantz flagship when the SR8015 still graces the Marantz's website?
Regardless, nice AVR's!

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Geezer00003

Comparable Denon and Marantz units share up to %55 of the same components while the rest is specific to each brand. So while similar in appearance differences can be marked!
Yeah the Cinema 40 is tops of the cinema line but is it the Marantz flagship when the SR8015 still graces the Marantz's website?
Regardless, nice AVR's!

Both these new 2023 models are way better than what was before (show below). Look at the previous Marantz and Denon models using same 125 watt power ratings. First is Marantz SR7015, below it is Denon x4700. The Marantz 8015 was akin to Denon x6700h, both made in Japan. Both have been around 3 years and offer one 8k input path instead of all inputs being 8k capable. IMHO its looks like modern processors have greatly reduced the amounts of parts on CCAs we can see in a top down internal view compared to the older models. For a long time I saw AVRs becoming more densely packed as far as required electronic designs to do everything the AVRs were capable of. So the newest models are a refreshing change. BTW both 2023 models discussed in previous post are made in Japan compared to the older 2020 models made in Vietnam.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

Comparing the inside of a $3500 Marantz Cinema 40 to a $2500 Denon x4800h. If that is Marantz flagship, then the Denon is worth checking out also.

They look identical; no mistake?

* I see some tiny differences.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

They look identical; no mistake?

* I see some tiny differences.

The Marantz is an inch deeper and higher, it weighs 4 pounds more. But the obvious trend I see is that both D&M products are using integrated processors to reduce circuitry count. Rather than make the AVRs look like they are crammed to the max with discrete parts. Ah progress. Just wait for the next D&M pair rated at 140 watts ch to show up.

[HDTV1080P]

Marantz is supposed to be a higher end A/V receiver when compared to the Denon and that is one of the reasons for the higher price. I do like how the Marantz A/V receivers are using the same style of knobs for input selection and volume that 100% of all the Pioneer Elite A/V receivers use. Those easy to use input and volume control knobs are a nice feature for people that do not want to hunt for the remote control in the room or someone visiting that has never used a A/V receiver and just wants to adjust the volume or change the input from Bu-ray to cable TV, etc.. Denon is also using the same style for volume and input selector knobs. I wish Yamaha would start using those knobs, since at least on the older Yamaha A/V receivers its more difficult for the average person to make those adjustments.

I wish Marantz had a 15.4 channel A/V receiver like the Denon AVR-A1H.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Marantz is supposed to be a higher end A/V receiver when compared to the Denon and that is one of the reasons for the higher price. I do like how the Marantz A/V receivers are using the same style of knobs for input selection and volume that 100% of all the Pioneer Elite A/V receivers use. Those easy to use input and volume control knobs are a nice feature for people that do not want to hunt for the remote control in the room or someone visiting that has never used a A/V receiver and just wants to adjust the volume or change the input from Bu-ray to cable TV, etc.. Denon is also using the same style for volume and input selector knobs. I wish Yamaha would start using those knobs, since at least on the older Yamaha A/V receivers its more difficult for the average person to make those adjustments.

I wish Marantz had a 15.4 channel A/V receiver like the Denon AVR-A1H.

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[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The Marantz is an inch deeper and higher, it weighs 4 pounds more. But the obvious trend I see is that both D&M products are using integrated processors to reduce circuitry count. Rather than make the AVRs look like they are crammed to the max with discrete parts. Ah progress. Just wait for the next D&M pair rated at 140 watts ch to show up.

The transformer is little tiny

You want to see a serious transformer inside an AV receiver?

Emotiva BasX MR1 11.2 Channel Atmos® & DTS:X™ Cinema Receiver - YouTube

The things missing ^ are of course Dirac, Auro 3D, HDMI 2.1

[Geezer00003]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

The transformer is little tiny

You want to see a serious transformer inside an AV receiver?

Emotiva BasX MR1 11.2 Channel Atmos® & DTS:X™ Cinema Receiver - YouTube

The things missing ^ are of course Dirac, Auro 3D, HDMI 2.1

Made of %100 lead or %100 plastic!

hehe, couldn't resist

[sa5150]

Originally Posted by JohnAV

The Marantz is an inch deeper and higher, it weighs 4 pounds more. But the obvious trend I see is that both D&M products are using integrated processors to reduce circuitry count. Rather than make the AVRs look like they are crammed to the max with discrete parts. Ah progress. Just wait for the next D&M pair rated at 140 watts ch to show up.

I need a new receiver pretty bad , Can you please recommend the best most powerful real rated (all channels) clean power receiver for under $2k . It's all my budget can afford ,

I'm so sick of my old Denon with no HDMI and not getting DTS Master Audio to properly hear all my blu-rays . Atmos a some point and DTS X ,

Right now I'm only 5.1 , Yes I have a long way to go . Stinks that I never got the Denon 6500 when it was only $1400 , Now everything is double the price and I do not believe the quality is doubled .A simple back panel like these new Marantz are so nice but looks like way out of my price range . The new McIntosh is even simpler . But at $7 , I guess not in my lifetime .

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by sa5150

I need a new receiver pretty bad , Can you please recommend the best most powerful real rated (all channels) clean power receiver for under $2k . It's all my budget can afford ,

I'm so sick of my old Denon with no HDMI and not getting DTS Master Audio to properly hear all my blu-rays . Atmos a some point and DTS X ,

Right now I'm only 5.1 , Yes I have a long way to go . Stinks that I never got the Denon 6500 when it was only $1400 , Now everything is double the price and I do not believe the quality is doubled .A simple back panel like these new Marantz are so nice but looks like way out of my price range . The new McIntosh is even simpler . But at $7 , I guess not in my lifetime .

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[RalphoR]

Originally Posted by sa5150

I need a new receiver pretty bad , Can you please recommend the best most powerful real rated (all channels) clean power receiver for under $2k . It's all my budget can afford ,

I'm so sick of my old Denon with no HDMI and not getting DTS Master Audio to properly hear all my blu-rays . Atmos a some point and DTS X ,

Right now I'm only 5.1 , Yes I have a long way to go . Stinks that I never got the Denon 6500 when it was only $1400 , Now everything is double the price and I do not believe the quality is doubled .A simple back panel like these new Marantz are so nice but looks like way out of my price range . The new McIntosh is even simpler . But at $7 , I guess not in my lifetime .

I'm no expert but have you looked into the new Sony lineup for 2023? Their STR-AV3000ES ($1700) looks very good. If you can stretch your budget slightly the STR-AZ5000ES ($2100) would be even better.

If you prefer to stay with Denon the AVC-X3800H at $1,700.00 should do great.

[Robert Zohn]

I' spent a lot of time with Sony's new 2023 AZ ES Receivers and the AZ5000ES 11.2 channel 130 wats per channel is a very excellent high performance receiver.

Other than it's premium audio quality performance the new exclusive features are very useful and important with several new room set-up configurations now possible.

It's priced very reasonably at $2,099. all in and delivered, when considering against all other receivers in the high-end class and being an 11.2 130 watts per channel capable receiver.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I' spent a lot of time with Sony's new 2023 AZ ES Receivers and the AZ5000ES 11.2 channel 130 wats per channel is a very excellent high performance receiver.

Other than it's premium audio quality performance the new exclusive features are very useful and important with several new room set-up configurations now possible.

It's priced very reasonably at $2,099. all in and delivered, when considering against all other receivers in the high-end class and being an 11.2 130 watts per channel capable receiver.

Regarding Sony AZ5000ES 11.2 channel model.
130W + 130W 8ohms, 1kHz, 2ch, THD 0.9%

Comparably Marantz Cinema 40 and Denon x4800h specs are
Power Output (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.05% 2ch Drive) 125W
Power Output (6 ohm, 1 kHz, 0.7% 2ch Drive) 165W
Power Output (6 ohm, 1 kHz, 10% 1ch Drive) 235W

Only showing 130 watts @1Khz, 2ch with much higher 0.9% THD is a marketing cheat.

[Robert Zohn]

Just wanted to add the STR-AZ5000ES has 7 HDMI Inputs/2 Outputs.

The AZ5000ES' seven HDMI inputs with four supporting full 8K & 4K/120 video sources, and two HDMI outputs that also support full 8K & 4K/120 video sources.

You are HDMI 2.1 future proofed for many many years ahead.

[Robert Zohn]

The Marantz CINEMA 40 and Denon X4800H are $400 higher priced than Sony's AZ5000ES. I'm a very big fan of Marantz and Denon's new receiver line-up and we are factory direct authorized dealers, but I also like Sony's new receiver line-up and especially all of the new features, like the capibility to use Sony's wireless rear speakers and wireless subwoofers as well as the ability to just add Sonos Port to enjoy full control of Sony’s XW5000ES power on and volume from your Sonos app.

Also Sony's AX5000ES is an 11 channel receiver and the CINEMA 40 and X4800H are 9 channel receivers with the capability to add a 2-ch. external power amp to get up to the full 11 channels.

Also know that the higher power output means that you do not have to drive and amps as hard to get the same volume level on a lower power receiver so the natural s/n ratio will be less than the specs list as you will not be pushing the amp and the s/n will be lower when the amps are not driven as hard.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

The Marantz CINEMA 40 and Denon X4800H are $400 higher priced than Sony's AZ5000ES. I'm a very big fan of Marantz and Denon's new receiver line-up and we are factory direct authorized dealers, but I also like Sony's new receiver line-up and especially all of the new features, like the capibility to use Sony's wireless rear speakers and wireless subwoofers as well as the ability to just add Sonos Port to enjoy full control of Sony’s XW5000ES power on and volume from your Sonos app.

Also Sony's AX5000ES is an 11 channel receiver and the CINEMA 40 and X4800H are 9 channel receivers with the capability to add a 2-ch. external power amp to get up to the full 11 channels.

Also know that the higher power output means that you do not have to drive and amps as hard to get the same volume level on a lower power receiver so the natural s/n ratio will be less than the specs list as you will not be pushing the amp and the s/n will be lower when the amps are not driven as hard.

Funny Crutchfled listed the Sony's AX5000ES at 120 watts per channel into 8 ohms (20-20,000 Hz) at 0.09% THD, with 2 channels driven. So less power than Marantz CINEMA 40 and Denon X4800H. I'll wait for technical reviews with measured power.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

The Marantz CINEMA 40 and Denon X4800H are $400 higher priced than Sony's AZ5000ES. I'm a very big fan of Marantz and Denon's new receiver line-up and we are factory direct authorized dealers, but I also like Sony's new receiver line-up and especially all of the new features, like the capibility to use Sony's wireless rear speakers and wireless subwoofers as well as the ability to just add Sonos Port to enjoy full control of Sony’s XW5000ES power on and volume from your Sonos app.

Also Sony's AX5000ES is an 11 channel receiver and the CINEMA 40 and X4800H are 9 channel receivers with the capability to add a 2-ch. external power amp to get up to the full 11 channels.

Also know that the higher power output means that you do not have to drive and amps as hard to get the same volume level on a lower power receiver so the natural s/n ratio will be less than the specs list as you will not be pushing the amp and the s/n will be lower when the amps are not driven as hard.

Given the design changes, both CINEMA 40 and X4800H is a different decision than previous years. Operation wise the implementation makes one consider that simply having a larger chassis has little effect on RMS output into 4 ohms loads and the fact that the older x6700 ran towards hot, now both these new AVRs get just warm as a comparison. There is also the fact they have a new 1080P GUI interface as do other 2022 models. Worth taking a pan though all the design changes. Now the 2020 models are not so desirable, only this and later models. The 50 min Youtube video is from Denon covering all the changes from the 2020 models, it's not a few things either. The below chart at the bottom shows the x4800H has the same jitter reduction now as the x6700H/X8500HA models. The same Dacs as the x6700H, a new ADSP 21593x1 versus the 2020 models used ADSP-212573x2

ADSP-21593 - Up to 1GHz Dual-SHARC+® DSP with 2x 640KB L1, 2048KB Shared L2 SRAM, 400-Ball FCBGA
ADSP-21573 - Dual-core SHARC+ DSP (w/768KB L1), 1MB Shared L2, DDR, 400-cspBGA

Introducing the brand new Denon AVC-X4800H. - YouTube