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Old 07-21-2023, 12:59 PM   #1
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Old 07-21-2023, 03:08 PM   #2
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Instant purchase if David M / Fidelity in Motion handled the encoding, which is likely. He probably delivers the definitive UHD encode of this masterpiece after Curzon (blocky highlights and blacks) and Criterion (low-pass filtering and some blockiness) haven’t quite gotten there!

Also, hopefully, Carlotta releases BD editions of the many Wenders restorations. After the Curzon debacle of their career retrospective set (as covered here: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=362757), most of these films are in dire need of adequate presentations in HD.
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I saw the outer box art the other day, and wondered if it was finalized. Is it really just a generic slipcase with no artwork? Carlotta's Digibooks usually have quite nice outer slipcases, so I'm hoping it'll be updated with something.
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I saw the outer box art the other day, and wondered if it was finalized. Is it really just a generic slipcase with no artwork? Carlotta's Digibooks usually have quite nice outer slipcases, so I'm hoping it'll be updated with something.
They always show temporary artworks, they'll reveal the full cover artwork during the next weeks
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I just preordered the standard edition under the assumption it’s a FIM encode.
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German - Dolby Atmos & DTS-HD MA 5.1 & 2.0
French - DTS-HD Master Audio 1.0
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German - Dolby Atmos & DTS-HD MA 5.1 & 2.0
French - DTS-HD Master Audio 1.0
What is the German disc?
The Curzon UHD has DTS-HD MA 5.1 and LPCM 2.0
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Old 10-14-2023, 11:31 AM   #9
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Just received mine (Collector’s Edition) directly from Carlotta.

The first nice surprise was that the size of the UHD was "upgraded" from a BD-66 to a BD-100. Their shop mentioned a BD-66 for a while, maybe it was a mistake but nonetheless a great suprise.
The other surprise is that David M / FiM did NOT handle the encoding on this one but LSP Medien in Germany according to the credit screen. (David did the included BD).

This is not a bad thing as the encoding is excellent. This is the best UHD version of Wings of Desire. Of course, I haven’t seen the disc in its entirety but the spots that annoyed me on the Curzon (virtually all highlights and some mushy blacks) resolve much better on the Carlotta with a small layer of grain visible in motion and while pausing. Other than that, the UHD master looks immaculate. Phenomenal detail and small, tight grain as on the Curzon in "normal" moments.

Sound is German 5.1 and 2.0 (and a French dub) as hinted at, the video master is obviously SDR.

An easy recommendation if you understand the languages in the film or can add external subtitles.

P.S. Carlotta also released a BD of the 4K-restored The American Friend today. It’s equally the best version of that film. It’s my third BD after the Criterion and Studiocanal versions. This is a FiM encode and obviously looks & sounds superb.

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Old 10-14-2023, 04:56 PM   #10
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Just received mine (Collector’s Edition) directly from Carlotta.

The first nice surprise was that the size of the UHD was "upgraded" from a BD-66 to a BD-100. Their shop mentioned a BD-66 for a while, maybe it was a mistake but nonetheless a great suprise.
The other surprise is that David M / FiM did NOT handle the encoding on this one but LSP Medien in Germany according to the credit screen. (David did the included BD).

This is not a bad thing as the encoding is excellent. This is the best UHD version of Wings of Desire. Of course, I haven’t seen the disc in its entirety but the spots that annoyed me on the Curzon (virtually all highlights and some mushy blacks) resolve much better on the Carlotta with a small layer of grain visible in motion and while pausing. Other than that, the UHD master looks immaculate. Phenomenal detail and small, tight grain as on the Curzon in "normal" moments.

Sound is German 5.1 and 2.0 (and a French dub) as hinted at, the video master is obviously SDR.

An easy recommendation if you understand the languages in the film or can add external subtitles.

P.S. Carlotta also released a BD of the 4K-restored The American Friend today. It’s equally the best version of that film. It’s my third BD after the Criterion and Studiocanal versions. This is a FiM encode and obviously looks & sounds superb.
Does the bookmark have a number ? Mine doesn't
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Does the bookmark have a number ? Mine doesn't
I assume you mean the book with the translated script. Mine doesn’t either. This is my first Carlotta collector’s edition, do you know where the numbers usually are?
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Old 10-14-2023, 06:34 PM   #12
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I assume you mean the book with the translated script. Mine doesn’t either. This is my first Carlotta collector’s edition, do you know where the numbers usually are?
No, the bookmark (the thing you put in a book to remember where you left off last time)
It always has a number on it, here mine doesn't
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No, the bookmark (the thing you put in a book to remember where you left off last time)
It always has a number on it, here mine doesn't
Thanks for clarifying! I had no idea a bookmark was in there. I just took a look again and found it sturdily tucked in, that’s why I didn’t notice it earlier today. Mine also doesn’t have a number. Honestly, that’s disappointing as I love numbered editions as opposed to just limited editions without a clear specification of the print run. Carlotta also advertised the edition as numbered, so technically they should send interested customers a new bookmark. A replacement program for a bookmark

I would report this to their customer service but honestly I’ve just had a very disappointing experience with them. The pre-orders of the October titles were sold with a shipping date of September 29 if I remember correctly. I wouldn’t bother because of a few days but they’ve missed that target by 10 days.
I sent them a friendly email asking them to clarify when the pre-orders start shipping and why they mentioned the above day if they can’t honor it. I never ordered with them directly and hoped for an answer but instead got nothing back. Extremely disappointing.
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No, the bookmark (the thing you put in a book to remember where you left off last time)
It always has a number on it, here mine doesn't
Wrote them an email today. We’ll see if they get back this time.

BTW, today was a -50% off sale of almost the entire Carlotta repertory. They only allowed French customers to participate though. Every attempt at getting my German address to work failed. I wrote that this was hopefully a one-off and other sales are opened up for all customers as it should be.
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Sound is German 5.1 and 2.0 (and a French dub) as hinted at, the video master is obviously SDR.
DVDCompare erroneously claims it’s HDR10 rather than SDR.
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DVDCompare erroneously claims it’s HDR10 rather than SDR.
No idea where they got their information from. I‘m sure there‘s no HDR master available as all three UHD versions are SDR.
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I wholeheartedly second it being a fantastic disc. The 4K master is a real stunner, and the compression is superb. Other than the localised credits (I'm not sure how they were handled on other releases, but the Criterion BD master streaming on [HBO] Max has them in English, so it's possible they were localised for different territories), there's really nothing to complain about here.

(btw, the standard edition is in a slimmer sized American UHD case, rather than the thicker European one I was expecting)
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I wholeheartedly second it being a fantastic disc. The 4K master is a real stunner, and the compression is superb. Other than the localised credits (I'm not sure how they were handled on other releases, but the Criterion BD master streaming on [HBO] Max has them in English, so it's possible they were localised for different territories), there's really nothing to complain about here.

(btw, the standard edition is in a slimmer sized American UHD case, rather than the thicker European one I was expecting)
Thanks for the scan and graphs. A quick question: Are the three other graphs from the other UHD releases of the film?

Regarding the localized titles: This is certainly a bit odd as Carlotta normally doesn't do these kinds of things (thank God) as both the CC and Curzon UHDs have them in English. The German BD should have them in German if I remember correctly. The original titles are always preferable but I assume Wenders is fine with it or even suggested it due to the three languages in the film.
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Thanks for the scan and graphs. A quick question: Are the three other graphs from the other UHD releases of the film?

Regarding the localized titles: This is certainly a bit odd as Carlotta normally doesn't do these kinds of things (thank God) as both the CC and Curzon UHDs have them in English. The German BD should have them in German if I remember correctly. The original titles are always preferable but I assume Wenders is fine with it or even suggested it due to the three languages in the film.
The three other graphs are still from the Carlotta UHD. The first is a duplicate of the "main" one I posted to imgur so it would appear bigger on the forum and is of the 1 second rates, while the second and third are the max 5 and 10 second rates. I always save all three graphs whenever I do a BDinfo scan, so I figured I'd include all 3 anyways.
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This has now been released in 4K in France, UK, USA.

Germans have to wait longer heh. You'd think this is not a German film at all
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