1080p over 720p

[llmercll]

im trying to decided whats right for me....

i like sitting close to the tv, it makes me feel more engulfed.

i like quality


after hearing this you might think well 1080p is for you....but heres the issue.

if i got an hdtv it wouldn't be much larger than 37", i don't have the money to shell out for the huge displays. what i honestly might do is just use my 22" computer monitor *i also use my 15" laptop monitor a lot also*. so basically, i wont be using anything too large, which makes me think that i wont see any quality loss with 720p.

another question...i think this is true but im not sure, will my lcd computer monitor support 1080p? thinking again i wonder if its not true, being that my resolution can only go up to 1680x1050...which is a few notches down from 1080p. in that case 1080 wouldnt be worth it either right? considering i cant even fit the whole thing on my screen?

a few more questions...

720p on a 1080p screen

1080p on a 720p screen

will any of the above combination result in quality gain/loss?

will 720p upscale on a 1080 tv, thus losing sharpness?

[ixlegitballinxl]

whatever tv you buy, its max resolution will be displayed.

example:

720p tv with a 1080p blu ray > 720p will be shown
1080p tv from a 720p source > 720p upconverted to 1080p


Your pc monitor is not 1080p.

If your on a tight budget, go 720p

If you want better pq, get a 1080p

You won't lose any pq on either combination, w/e setting you have on your tv ( 480p,720p,1080i,1080p) Thats the resolution your going to see.

[Bizdady]

At the sizes you look 720p would be more than enough.

[llmercll]

OK, so I would just like to confirm...

watching 720p on a 1080p tv will NOT result in a loss of pq? *i don't understand how that works, how you can possibly upscale something and expect to not lose quality?*

I want to make my collection futureproof, because i know in the next few years i will be getting my nice big tv....also, what i do is copy my movies onto my hard drive and use a media program, all what at the same having te computer hooked up to the tv. I don't want to rip them at 720p and then regret it later, there's no way ill be reripping all my movies...

How much worse will 720p upscaled look than 1080i upscaled? would it make a difference to an enthusiast?

In that case I suppose I can just rip 1080 versions and be done with it, that way it looks as good as 720p on my small 720 screens and when i get my big daddy in the future it will look 1080 on that too?

[llmercll]

one more thing, in order for a monitor to be 1080p all it needs it a max resolution of at least 1920x1080 right?

[llmercll]

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[TVguy86]

Originally Posted by ixlegitballinxl

whatever tv you buy, its max resolution will be displayed.

You won't lose any pq on either combination, w/e setting you have on your tv ( 480p,720p,1080i,1080p) Thats the resolution your going to see.

I beg to differ. What ever the media source you are using it will display at that resolution. Your tv then displays it it the max resolution.

IE
If you have a 1080p tv and you are playing a 720p playstation game. 720p output.
If you have a 1080p blu ray movie and your tv has a max resolution of 1080i then. 1080i output.

Unless your tv does some kind of conversion of signals.
My 1080p tv plays 720p ps3 games in 720p, watches 1080i hdtv in 1080i and watches 1080p blu ray movies in 1080p.
My 720p plasma upstairs plays 720p ps3 games in 720p, watches 1080i hdtv in 720p and watches 1080p... well it doesn't support 1080p so I have to tell it 1080i is max resolution. Soo it watches 1080i blu rays in 720p

[Toptube]

its not about the size of the tv, its about how many pixels it has.

720p is still going to look a little worse on a 22 inch monitor, just like if you were watching 720p on a 1080p tv/monitor. and upscaled DVDs aren't going to look any better on a 22 inch monitor, either. Pixels pixels pixels.

[BACsader]

Originally Posted by Toptube

its not about the size of the tv, its about how many pixels it has.

720p is still going to look a little worse on a 22 inch monitor, just like if you were watching 720p on a 1080p tv/monitor. and upscaled DVDs aren't going to look any better on a 22 inch monitor, either. Pixels pixels pixels.

[Beta Man]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=73452

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by BACsader

I lost him on the third "Pixels"

[andyman1970]

Originally Posted by Toptube

its not about the size of the tv, its about how many pixels it has.

720p is still going to look a little worse on a 22 inch monitor, just like if you were watching 720p on a 1080p tv/monitor. and upscaled DVDs aren't going to look any better on a 22 inch monitor, either. Pixels pixels pixels.

Yes, size does matter. Ask any honest sales rep and they will tell you that anything LESS then 50" and you will not be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

Also, you cannot display 1080 on a 720 screen. It will either display at 720p or the screen will go black.

[TVguy86]

On paper it should make a difference as well.
480, 720, 1080 lines of vertical resolution. So the more the better on paper. Progressive vs. interlaced on paper progressive better.
But can the human vision system tell the difference?? That is the question. So when you walk into a store and look at a 720p or 1080p can you tell the difference? That would be the deciding factor for me. Or will it keep you up at night knowing that you have a 720p and there is a technology better like 1080p and you just wonder if you made a mistake by not getting the 1080p but you think your happy with the 720p but man i should have got the 1080p but i saved money getting the 720p...... which one can you live with???

[Toptube]

Originally Posted by andyman1970

Also, you cannot display 1080 on a 720 screen. It will either display at 720p or the screen will go black.

I never said that. thanks for clearing that up, though!

Also, that's a little misleading though. Many newer 720p tvs will accept and display a 1080p signal, and it will be displayed at a higher resolution. Becaaaaaase, 720p tvs are actually 1366x768, whereas a 720p signal is actually 1280x720. So when your TV scales down that 1080p signal, it will still display at a higher resolution, and look better, if your tv has good scaling capability. Mine does and looks noticeably better with a native 1080p source. That also means that all 720p content is upscaled slightly.

At the end of the day, what really matters is are you willing to spend the money? 1080p is cheaper than ever and good 1080p can be had now for the same price as the best 720p a year ago. But of course, 720p is very cheap now, so its just a matter of what you want to spend.

1 year ago, I decided to go for 720p. Not becuase I wanted to save money, but because I will be gaming a lot with consoles and current console games are 720p. 1080p is an unrealistic resolution for most console games with advanced/cutting edge/insert buzz word here graphics. So I wanted to make sure my games would look as nice as possible without depending on spending extra money just to have them upscaled a bunch.

and 720p is still a huge boost from DVD to Blu-ray. I have one of the best 720p TVs you can get and it has been amazing with Blu-ray and Video games. I even use it for PC gaming to make my graphics card last longer

[Toptube]

Originally Posted by andyman1970

Yes, size does matter. Ask any honest sales rep and they will tell you that anything LESS then 50" and you will not be able to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.

That is only true if you have just one possible vantage in your house to watch your Televison from, and that one and only spot is so far away that your eyes can't properly focus/resolve something smaller than 50".

Again, I've been playing PC games for years at resolutions higher than 720p on 17-inch CRTs from 3 feet away.

Who am I kidding, probably more like 2 feet

I currently sit about 8 feet from my 32 inch 720p. At this distance, I KNOW I'd see a difference with a 32 inch 1080p TV.

[llmercll]

will watching a...

1080p video on a 720p source cause quality loss? over a

720p video on a 720p source?

[llmercll]

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[My_Two_Cents]

Originally Posted by llmercll

will watching a...

1080p video on a 720p source cause quality loss? over a

720p video on a 720p source?

I highly doubt it. There are no 720p displays, as most are 768p, so you are going to be scaling a 720p input signal anyway. Whay the concern? if your set accepts a 1080p signal, send it.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by llmercll

will watching a...

1080p video on a 720p source cause quality loss? over a

720p video on a 720p source?

The 1080P video should still look better, because there is more information for the converter to utilize.

The question becomes whether or not the television or projector displaying 720p can accept a 1080P signal, and if so which(player or display) does a better job of converting that information into 720P.

[Toptube]

Originally Posted by llmercll

will watching a...

1080p video on a 720p source cause quality loss? over a

720p video on a 720p source?

It depends on the TV and the quality of its scaling. Some reviews actually make a point to address such a thing, so read around. On my own personal TV, a 1080p signal definitely looks a bit better.