Is there a list of upcoming titles?

[DarkDTSes]

There is already 3 lists of HDDVD titles on www.comingsoon.net. Wondered if there was a list of Bluray titles announced at the 2005 CES. If there is could some one either post the list of titles or post a URL?

Thanks!!

[Rob]

There's been almost 100 HD-DVD titles announced for late 2005/1st qtr 2006. Nothing yet on the first Blu-Ray releases though. AFAIK.

[DarkDTSes]

Originally Posted by Rob

There's been almost 100 HD-DVD titles announced for late 2005/1st qtr 2006. Nothing yet on the first Blu-Ray releases though. AFAIK.

Hello Bob,

Yes, I noticed the many HDDVD titles already announced. I saw them at the www.comingsoon.net website. With 50 titles from Warner Brothers, some from Paramount and Universal. It seems the HDDVD "group" are making more intelligent efforts to push their product (vs. Bluray). By listing titles so early they are getting us interested now. So HDDVD will be in our minds more so than Bluray.

What I'm a little surprised about is that neither camp has listed confirmed specs as of yet. Such as, what resolutions they will be using. All 720p? A combination of 720p and 1080i?

Any how, if you catch wind of upcoming Bluray or HDDVD titles please post!

Have a good week!

[zombie]

There hasn't been a list of Blu-ray movies announced yet. My guess is that one will be released within the next month. One that I hope will include so many blockbusters that it will kill any momentum that HD-DVD may have picked up with their list. They could thrill me by announcing all of the Bond films on Blu-ray this fall.

[DarkDTSes]

Originally Posted by 720p

There hasn't been a list of Blu-ray movies announced yet. My guess is that one will be released within the next month. One that I hope will include so many blockbusters that it will kill any momentum that HD-DVD may have picked up with their list. They could thrill me by announcing all of the Bond films on Blu-ray this fall.

Hello 720p,

Well, if they do post a list of Bluray titles please give us the URL. I'm certainly VERY interested to see what kind of launch titles the Bluray group can put forth. I'm assuming they will need to match or better the current listing of HDDVD titles offered by WB, Universal & Paramount. This format war could prove very interesting.

Have a great week!

[Rob]

I don't think Blu-Ray is to be released in the USA til 2006. Perhaps it's too early for specific film titles? As for res, I'm hoping that a 1080p signal is encoded on the disc, but that BR machines will also output 720p and 1080i.

[mmmhome]

I think that sony will made the race at the cebit.
I think, too that they want to get a greater and better list, so they wait.

[mmmhome]

I think that sony try to get the studios as member of bda, too

[DarkDTSes]

Originally Posted by Rob

I don't think Blu-Ray is to be released in the USA til 2006. Perhaps it's too early for specific film titles? As for res, I'm hoping that a 1080p signal is encoded on the disc, but that BR machines will also output 720p and 1080i.

Hello Rob,

While seeing 1080p BR movies sounds like a great idea I don't think it's realistic. I mean, at the moment, the most common "native" resolution being used is 720p (e.g. DLP projectors, Dila-rptvs, LCD projectors....etc.). Plus, there is currently less than a handful of projectors able to output 1080p natively, and they run 20k USD plus. Out of reach for most of us.

So, I'd put my money on seeing either 720p (1st choice) or 1080i (2nd choice) as the chosen resolutions. One or the other. Or perhaps a combination. 1080i on SE BR movies. And don't forget, even if they DO offer us 1080i as the chosen resolution 720p displays will have to downconvert. Or, we would have to buy a CRT-rptv (funny they can do 1080i but not the current crop of DLP/DILA/LCD projectors).

As "mmmhome" said I agree that Sony is probably waiting to gather up MORE than the already listed number of HDDVD titles. I REALLY hope that is their plan. Just another way to add fuel to the format war. Benefiting us!

Later guys!

[thunderhawk]

does this list ( comingsoon.net ) also apply for Europe?

[phloyd]

HD-DVD had a very high profile presence at CES.

Blu-ray had a more distributed presence.

I think Blu-ray has dropped the ball personally. Perhaps they didn't expect HD-DVD to be so aggressive.

Cheers!
DAve.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by DarkDTSes

Hello Rob,

While seeing 1080p BR movies sounds like a great idea I don't think it's realistic. I mean, at the moment, the most common "native" resolution being used is 720p (e.g. DLP projectors, Dila-rptvs, LCD projectors....etc.). Plus, there is currently less than a handful of projectors able to output 1080p natively, and they run 20k USD plus. Out of reach for most of us.

So, I'd put my money on seeing either 720p (1st choice) or 1080i (2nd choice) as the chosen resolutions. One or the other. Or perhaps a combination. 1080i on SE BR movies. And don't forget, even if they DO offer us 1080i as the chosen resolution 720p displays will have to downconvert. Or, we would have to buy a CRT-rptv (funny they can do 1080i but not the current crop of DLP/DILA/LCD projectors).

As "mmmhome" said I agree that Sony is probably waiting to gather up MORE than the already listed number of HDDVD titles. I REALLY hope that is their plan. Just another way to add fuel to the format war. Benefiting us!

Later guys!

1080p tvs may be rare and expensive now, but what about in 5 years time? I worked for John lewis selling tvs 4 years ago. The first 42" plasma they had was a 480p res and was £7,500. These days you can easily pick up a 42" plasma for £2,000 or less. Plus screen resolutions are nearer 1366/768p on most sets. The first 1080p set launched in the uk a few months ago and can be bought for £5k, (45" Sharp lcd).

At the CES there were numerous 1920/1080p sets, including a 67" rear pro tv of some kind that will sell for the equivelent of £3,500. 720p/1080i may be fine for now, but what about in a few years when 1080p sets are far cheaper. Dvds are encoded as 24p, even though few people in the UK have a progressive tv or dvd player. It's only recently, (well, in the UK), that we've seen more dvd players with component leads, as more lcds/plasmas are sold.

Early technology will always sell at a premium, therefore those with 20k plus projectors will be the main targets for HD-DVD/Blu-Ray sales. Most of these people will already have expensive dvd players with built in scalers, (or seperate scalers), that already convert dvd pictures to 1080p. They will want to be able to see a significant improvement from the new formats. Additionally, ESPN has announced that they will begin transmitting programming in 1080p in the near future. IMO, all material should be encoded for 1080p (24p for films, 60p for sports, tv etc). Then machines would give you the option. Just like my dvd player allows me to choose between a progressive picture, or an interlaced one.

[DarkDTSes]

Originally Posted by Rob

1080p tvs may be rare and expensive now, but what about in 5 years time? I worked for John lewis selling tvs 4 years ago. The first 42" plasma they had was a 480p res and was £7,500. These days you can easily pick up a 42" plasma for £2,000 or less. Plus screen resolutions are nearer 1366/768p on most sets. The first 1080p set launched in the uk a few months ago and can be bought for £5k, (45" Sharp lcd).

Well sure in time perhaps. But I was talking about in the near future. Not 5 years later. For now owners of 720p native projectors might have to downconvert HDDVD/Bluray moives assuming they are 1080i. Which at least still allows them to view the movies in HD.

At the CES there were numerous 1920/1080p sets, including a 67" rear pro tv of some kind that will sell for the equivelent of £3,500. 720p/1080i may be fine for now, but what about in a few years when 1080p sets are far cheaper. Dvds are encoded as 24p, even though few people in the UK have a progressive tv or dvd player. It's only recently, (well, in the UK), that we've seen more dvd players with component leads, as more lcds/plasmas are sold.

Yes, I'm aware of that. Samsung is supposed to release a 61" xHD3 based DLP chip rptv in March. Which will do 1080p natively but will have a list price of $6500 USD. YIKES! And 8k USD for that 45" Sharp LCD-rptv? Bahhh!! But this is a good sign of things to come. So assuming manufacturers manage to flood the market this year with 1080p "native" rptv's...

Also, we are supposed to get HD4 DLP chip projectors by the end of the year. I'm guessing they will be priced in the 10-15k USD range.

Out of the price range of most mortals. For now.

IMO, all material should be encoded for 1080p (24p for films, 60p for sports, tv etc). Then machines would give you the option. Just like my dvd player allows me to choose between a progressive picture, or an interlaced one.

While that would be nice to have. All HDDVD/Bluray moives encoded in 1080p with the option to play it at a lower resolution. I still doubt they will do that. As the market has already been dominated by projectors and TV's that are 720p native. I doubt they will spend the time and money to give us 1080p movies knowing less than a handful of people have the means to afford 1080p projectors.

This is why I'm betting most movies will be encoded at 720p. Seems to be the likely choice.

We're all guessing at this point of course! Anything could happen between now and the end of the year. Or 2006 as some say. Though, Samsung is to release a $450 USD Bluray drive for your PC at the end of the year. Does this mean we will have software by then too? We shall see....

Have a good week!

PHloyd,

I sorta have the same feeling you do. Usually when companies are anticipating a format war they usually know when the other group is going to launch their first "attack" (e.g. ATI vs Nvidiia OR AMD vs Intel). I find it hard to beleive the BR camp didn't know 50 + HDDVD titles were to be revealed at this year's CES. But at the same time if this means the BR group will fire one back with 100 BR titles then GREAT!

thunderhawk,

Well, I believe www.comingsoon.net is a US site. So I'm guessing they are talking about North American releases. If the HDDVD list is in any way reflective of DVD releases around the world.

[erdega79]

we have lcd tv now at full 1080p http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...r=&sa=N&tab=wf
selling for around 5-6k and those prices will continue to fall obviously so I don't see any reason for blu ray to encode to less than that. It makes no sense with hd discs.[/url]

[Marwin]

There's still plenty of time for them to announce titles. Doing it one year in advance doesn't really serve any purpose, it just makes people not buy those titles on DVD.

[Rob]

In order to output films at 1080i, surely you'd need the full 24p frames on the disc? Like dvds are encoded on disc as 24p frames. There will certainly be the space on a 54GB dual layer BR disc. Assuming discs are released at 1080 resolution, I just can't see them not encoding it as 1080p. This way you can easily output 1080i or 1080p. As I can output 480i or 480p on my dvd player. Still, we'll find out soon enough I guess.

[DarkDTSes]

Originally Posted by Marwin

There's still plenty of time for them to announce titles. Doing it one year in advance doesn't really serve any purpose, it just makes people not buy those titles on DVD.

I've already decided to cut down BIG TIME on my dvd purchases between now and when we DO get HDDVD/Bluray software/hardware. And it's not cause of the list of HDDVDs just released. Just seems to make more sense to buy future titles as HDDVD or Bluray discs vs. DVD. Though, I will still be buying the odd DVD which I believe will not be released again in either of the 2 HD formats.

Like the upcoming Criterion verions of Kurosawa's "Kagemusha" due out on the 25th. Though I have heard rumbles that Criterion too will be producing discs on either HDDVD or Bluray. Not sure if it would be worth the effort. Taking a movie that was originally not filmed in HD or with a HD master only to take it through the needed processes to enable the manuafcturers to later release it on a HD disc format. Iis this even viable? I can understand releasing the films done in the past 5-10 years as they may have had HD masters or be shot digitally using a HD camera. But old B/W films gems like Kurosawa's??

[Rob]

The only dvds that I'm likely to buy are of tv series. Though these days, having a hdd dvd rec, I tend to record them anyway. Why pay £20 when you can record a series onto a dvd-r costing 25p or less. The only film on dvd that I want is Goodfellas SE. Apart from that, there's nothing I'm looking to buy. Instead I'm paying £15 per month to rent dvds online. Works out about a £1 per dvd roughly. Though up to 25 in a month would be possible, 20 likely, and 15 reasonable if you aren't rushing them back next day. Having 100+ dvds, and 20+ boxsets, I don't really have the need to buy any new dvds. Especially if I can hire 3 out per week.

[DarkDTSes]

Originally Posted by Rob

The only dvds that I'm likely to buy are of tv series. Though these days, having a hdd dvd rec, I tend to record them anyway. Why pay £20 when you can record a series onto a dvd-r costing 25p or less. The only film on dvd that I want is Goodfellas SE. Apart from that, there's nothing I'm looking to buy. Instead I'm paying £15 per month to rent dvds online. Works out about a £1 per dvd roughly. Though up to 25 in a month would be possible, 20 likely, and 15 reasonable if you aren't rushing them back next day. Having 100+ dvds, and 20+ boxsets, I don't really have the need to buy any new dvds. Especially if I can hire 3 out per week.

I'm with you Bob! I'm thinking of joining a www.netflix.com type of company here in Canada to rent dvds from now till we get HDDVD's and Bluray discs. As I mentioned, while my DVD buying will be greatly reduced, I will still buy the odd DVD I think won't be transfered on to either HD disc format in the future.

Any how, I would love to see a list of future Bluray titles now just to "wet my appitite"...COME ON SONY!!

[phloyd]

I am already not buying Columbia Tristar titles on DVD

In any case, you see a lot of hardware for Blu-ray at CES type places, so I guess HD-DVD needed to fight back with software.

WB was an easy guess but I am more surprised at Universal and Paramount.

Blu-ray also has the advantage of the tie in with the Japanese recorders that are available now. I bought a blank BD in Osaka late last year so that I could check it out. The recorder was a but expensive...

In any case, technologically I don't think that there is anything holding BD back - I am guessing it is the rights and protection for the prerecorded software that is the sticky point.

Cheers!
DAve.