Blu-Ray MUST Keep the Cartridge

[Jamesont]

The data density on a Blu-Ray disk mandates that we must keep the cartridge. I don't want a scratchable surface. Look at Minidisks, these have little cartridges, the don't make the disk unwieldy, in fact the make the disks more convenient. I can toss those disks around easily, not worry about damage and all my music is stored securely.

For the long term survival of the species we need cartridges.

[zombie]

I too loved the idea of the cartridge but alas it's not going to happen. Supposedly TDK's new coating for the Blu-ray discs is very good. I sure hope so as the last thing I want are scratched HD discs. Scratched DVDs are bad enough.

[Jamesont]

That's just a band-aid, it just seems like a bad idea to not protect these disks, floppies have cartridges, MDs have cartridges, why can't Blu-ray.

[zombie]

Well HD-DVD isn't using the cartridge either. Like I said, the cartridge is a great idea but DVD has become quite successful without one as has CD so I just don't see them changing their minds about this.

[Rob]

Apparantly the new super hard coating is extremely resistant to marks and scratches. Journo's were given wire wool pads and encouraged to try and scratch the discs but were unable. Permanent markers were also unable to make a mark. Only one journo with a swiss army knife was able to penetrate the coating. Therefore, the belief is that a cartridge is uneccesary. It's also believed that cartridges are unpopular with the general public.

[zombie]

Originally Posted by Rob

Apparantly the new super hard coating is extremely resistant to marks and scratches. Journo's were given wire wool pads and encouraged to try and scratch the discs but were unable. Permanent markers were also unable to make a mark. Only one journo with a swiss army knife was able to penetrate the coating. Therefore, the belief is that a cartridge is uneccesary. It's also believed that cartridges are unpopular with the general public.

I've read that the protective coating was good but not that good. If what you say is true I'll be happy camper.

[Gorkab]

Unpopular ? The general public will be unable to buy a BD player before a long time ! At first, the public who will can buy one of these wonders will be high class people, not middle !

[Rob]

What about the PS3? out in 2006, with Blu-Ray playback. Can't imagine they'd be able to charge much more than £300 for it. Perhaps £400 max. Cheap enough for the middle classes.

[Gorkab]

Originally Posted by Rob

What about the PS3? out in 2006, with Blu-Ray playback. Can't imagine they'd be able to charge much more than £300 for it. Perhaps £400 max. Cheap enough for the middle classes.

Right. In that case they will have a huge problem, i've never seen a console far expensive than the XBox at their first sales (479 €). I'm wondering how bigger the console will be... and especially how much will the PS3 will really cost... That could be the end of Sony Computer Entertainment if it's further expensive than anyone has never seen... No it can't beat the Neo Geo... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[zombie]

Cartridges aren't compatable with video game systems but they'd also be a pain if used with PCs. With Blu-ray's larger recording availability the format is sure to be popular for personal use with computers. If the discs were kept in a cartridge they'd need a much larger, bulkier drive. Unless the discs were removable but then what would be the point?

[Gorkab]

Originally Posted by 720p

Cartridges aren't compatable with video game systems but they'd also be a pain if used with PCs. With Blu-ray's larger recording availability the format is sure to be popular for personal use with computers. If the discs were kept in a cartridge they'd need a much larger, bulkier drive. Unless the discs were removable but then what would be the point?

Yes, but the disc in unviable without its cartridge ! Remember ! :roll:

[plastikimo]

Originally Posted by Rob

Apparantly the new super hard coating is extremely resistant to marks and scratches. Journo's were given wire wool pads and encouraged to try and scratch the discs but were unable. Permanent markers were also unable to make a mark. Only one journo with a swiss army knife was able to penetrate the coating. Therefore, the belief is that a cartridge is uneccesary. It's also believed that cartridges are unpopular with the general public.

what about finger prints? i dont wanna worry about those either. i think cartridges are a really great idea. Who says that Blu-ray/HD-DVD players have to be backwards compatable? I have a DVD player and a VCR in my entertainment unit, and i don't go sobbing into the night about why i cant play my DVDs in my VCR? i know were supposed to be entering this era where many things are compacted into one single thing (PDA's, mobile phones, PSP...) but am i alone in saying that i really would not mind a seporate Blu-ray/HD-DVD player sitting next to my DVD player? ( then i can finally put my VCR in to storage). If not that they could make it have two slot/treys, one for DVD and the other for Blu-ray/HD-DVD.

[sickboy]

Originally Posted by n2blu

Cartridges aren't compatable with video game systems but they'd also be a pain if used with PCs. With Blu-ray's larger recording availability the format is sure to be popular for personal use with computers. If the discs were kept in a cartridge they'd need a much larger, bulkier drive. Unless the discs were removable but then what would be the point?

"multi-layer discs, which should allow the storage capacity to be increased to 100GB-200GB"

the best thing i could image would be keeping a cartridge but as well reducing the whole to the size of a floppy drive or even a minidisk..
wouldn't that be enough for all hdtv future stuff?!

i damn need such a disk..the world needs it!
LETS DO A PETITION!!

[Rob]

Originally Posted by plastikimo

what about finger prints? i dont wanna worry about those either. i think cartridges are a really great idea. Who says that Blu-ray/HD-DVD players have to be backwards compatable? I have a DVD player and a VCR in my entertainment unit, and i don't go sobbing into the night about why i cant play my DVDs in my VCR? i know were supposed to be entering this era where many things are compacted into one single thing (PDA's, mobile phones, PSP...) but am i alone in saying that i really would not mind a seporate Blu-ray/HD-DVD player sitting next to my DVD player? ( then i can finally put my VCR in to storage). If not that they could make it have two slot/treys, one for DVD and the other for Blu-ray/HD-DVD.

Do people really have such a hard time handling discs without getting finger prints, scratches etc on them. I have hundreds of exposed discs from cds to dvds to console discs and none of them are faulty. Just take care when handling them and make sure your hands are clean and don't leave them lying about. Simple really. If the new super hard coating is as good as TDK claim, then it should be a relatively simple process to renmove marks, finger prints etc. We'll have to wait and see.

Also, the reason that you can't play tapes in your dvd played is because you would need a completely seperate mechanism whereas to play cds on a dvd player, or cds/dvds on a Blu-Ray player the basice mechanism/transport is already there.

[thunderhawk]

this is maybe off-topic but...

if all these has been arranged, then how can you unify HD-DVD and Blu-ray?
or is it all been setup as a delay for Toshiba & NEC? :lol:

[zombie]

Originally Posted by thunderhawk

this is maybe off-topic but...

if all these has been arranged, then how can you unify HD-DVD and Blu-ray?
or is it all been setup as a delay for Toshiba & NEC? :lol:

Please discuss that issue here: https://www.blu-ray.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=387

Thank you.

[plastikimo]

Originally Posted by Rob

Do people really have such a hard time handling discs without getting finger prints, scratches etc on them. I have hundreds of exposed discs from cds to dvds to console discs and none of them are faulty. Just take care when handling them and make sure your hands are clean and don't leave them lying about. Simple really. If the new super hard coating is as good as TDK claim, then it should be a relatively simple process to renmove marks, finger prints etc. We'll have to wait and see.

Also, the reason that you can't play tapes in your dvd played is because you would need a completely seperate mechanism whereas to play cds on a dvd player, or cds/dvds on a Blu-Ray player the basice mechanism/transport is already there.

thats not my pointat all in talking about VCR and DVD players. i was talking about the general concept of owning two seporate machines and that it would be that big of a deal.

[th3archiv3]

if blu ray keeps it cartrige then u cant have backwards compatibility with dvd or cd so u need 2 devices to play dvd and blu-ray

[zombie]

Originally Posted by th3archiv3

if blu ray keeps it cartrige then u cant have backwards compatibility with dvd or cd so u need 2 devices to play dvd and blu-ray

The BDA ditched the cartridge a long time ago.

[th3archiv3]

ya i know but i was just pointing it out