Game journalist intentionally misinterprets game company, no one surprised... - Blu-ray Forum

xtop · 01-22-2009, 01:08 PM

http://www.ps3center.net/news/2175/s...o-develop-for/

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Of course, outside of lackluster sales numbers caused by the price of the system, the other Achilles heel of the PS3 has been it's infuriatingly complex architecture, which developers have openly complained about.* Earlier today, we posted some parts of Kaz Hirai's interview with the Official PlayStation Magazine, in which he claimed that Sony was still the leader of the industry.* Apparently, he also addressed the issue of developing for the PS3.
"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" Kaz claims, "it means the hardware has a lot more to offer".
So according to Sony's CEO and Chairman, they intentionally made the PS3 hard to develop for...* Really, Kaz?

did he seriously say that?

i feel like this is bogus 'news'

Goodintentions · 01-22-2009, 01:12 PM

dude that was posted on the amazon forums .. which is known to be full of nothing but 360bots ....
its BS even if that fact were true they would NEVER openly admit to something like that ..

Terjyn · 01-22-2009, 01:14 PM

It is bogus news, because it's misinterpreted.

He didn't mean "We made this intentionally hard to program for".

He meant "It's hard to program for because it's exceptionally powerful. The only way we could have made something easier to program for is to use weaker technology."

IE if they had used weaker technology sure it'd be more exploited by now, but at the same time there'd be no room for devs to grow.

xtop · 01-22-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Terjyn

It is bogus news, because it's misinterpreted.

He didn't mean "We made this intentionally hard to program for".

He meant "It's hard to program for because it's exceptionally powerful. The only way we could have made something easier to program for is to use weaker technology."

IE if they had used weaker technology sure it'd be more exploited by now, but at the same time there'd be no room for devs to grow.

well there ya go

Elandyll · 01-22-2009, 01:42 PM

Aye. Classic case of deliberate misinterpretation.
He obviously means that because of the PS3 novel and powerful architecture, it is hard to develop for. Simpler designs would be easier to develop for, but in the long run, would have their limits reached very rapidly while the complex architecture can be pushed and optimized for a longer period of time.

xtop · 01-22-2009, 01:50 PM

wheres a mod when you need one...

Mr. J · 01-22-2009, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terjyn

It is bogus news, because it's misinterpreted.

He didn't mean "We made this intentionally hard to program for".

He meant "It's hard to program for because it's exceptionally powerful. The only way we could have made something easier to program for is to use weaker technology."

IE if they had used weaker technology sure it'd be more exploited by now, but at the same time there'd be no room for devs to grow.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Aye. Classic case of deliberate misinterpretation.
He obviously means that because of the PS3 novel and powerful architecture, it is hard to develop for. Simpler designs would be easier to develop for, but in the long run, would have their limits reached very rapidly while the complex architecture can be pushed and optimized for a longer period of time.

Quoted for emphasis

pmac · 01-22-2009, 02:15 PM

How is it deliberate misrepresentation?

They did the right thing and there is absolutely nothing wrong with admitting it, if that is a genuine article. IMHO, to take the defense about this article means you might have some Fanboy in you

As with all consoles in the past how difficult was it to get copied games. Buy the console and 6 months later, you never buy an original again.

Here you have a case that with everything they release, you will only have the option to buy, not steal. It sounds like the proper direction for anti-piracy measures, to ensure them honest sales, and with that we are getting the commitment from then to continue to invest in the technology going forward.

You guys know that one (minor to moderate) issue that sales are really good for the Xbox (and possibly Wii, but I don’t know if Wii is hacked.) is they can be pirated. So people who would be so inclined will tend to hover towards that console. These are not digs at any console, but merely an objective opinion from past experience (way past). How many people do you think but a console try to "MOD" it on theory own, and have to go back out and buy another one right away because they screwed it up LOL, don't say it doesn’t happen...I did it years ago with the original XBOX, but that was then this is now. I no longer do stuff like that, I finally grew up or matured, if you will.

There are companies getting RICH, creating "MOD" chips. Way to go Sony, I hope it never gets hacked. I would rather have a slower penetration into the market to know that sales are 100% genuine, rather than make those people rich and have a guesstimated 10% of people modding the system and buying copies, or downloading them. I would not doubt that 10% is not that generous, might even be slightly higher but it’s a guess so don’t trash me.

Great post, I hope it is true. I would not doubt it at all, and would not get on the defense about it either (there are some people trashing the validity already, why I do not know) it just means hoping for continued development for the equivalent to "home brew*" *because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do apps is looking positive.

K...I have re-read this prior to post, and I think it makes sense let me know if you think I am way off base here.

EDIT: Just another "Guess", but anyone that thinks these applications like photo album have not been ready for ages is probably only fooling themselves. Sony probably has numerous updates ready, but is doing a very smart release schedule with them to keep your interest piqued. Slow but steady to continually impress rather than one mass upgrade and then nothing for years. That would be boaring. This keeps it fresh and exciting. I am always excited for firmware updates and also to see whats new in the store every week. I don't think I am alone on this mentality either.

NutsAboutPS3 · 01-22-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Terjyn

It is bogus news, because it's misinterpreted.

He didn't mean "We made this intentionally hard to program for".

He meant "It's hard to program for because it's exceptionally powerful. The only way we could have made something easier to program for is to use weaker technology."

I honestly struggle to read that in his words. It's not an interpretation, it's a direct quote:

"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" Kaz claims, "it means the hardware has a lot more to offer".

This is from the Chairman and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment. He is specifically addressing ease of programming. Perhaps his words were poorly chosen for the sentiment he wanted to convey, but his actual words really do say that he regards it as a benefit for a console to be difficult to program for, because you will get a gradual improvement in game quality over its lifetime as people become more able to exploit its hardware.

I should add that I do not believe for one minute that they made a conscious design decision to make it hard to program for. It strikes me as more of a way to spin it as a positive point if the difficulty of programming for it is raised as a problem.

Terjyn · 01-22-2009, 05:13 PM

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"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" Kaz claims, "it means the hardware has a lot more to offer".

The last part of the sentence is the key. If it was made hard just to be hard, then it wouldn't mean the Hardware has a lot more to offer.

Japanese and English are not the same in terms of sentence phrasing. Whenever a Japanese person says anything in English(or translated to english) you can't just read it at a literal face value, and the interpreter in the first post took it at its worst-possible meaning and ran with it.

NutsAboutPS3 · 01-22-2009, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terjyn

The last part of the sentence is the key. If it was made hard just to be hard, then it wouldn't mean the Hardware has a lot more to offer.

How I interpreted it is that if the hardware is hard to program, then it will take people years to become fully adept at writing code for it, so in the early years of the console's life, the hardware will not be fully exploited and hence will have a lot more to offer in later years (compared to what is being achieved in earlier years).

Septimus Prime · 01-22-2009, 05:16 PM

I think it's pretty clear now that Mr. Hirai just isn't very good at PR. I imagine he meant a lot more than what he actually said.

Maximus · 01-22-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

I think it's pretty clear now that Mr. Hirai just isn't very good at PR. I imagine he meant a lot more than what he actually said.

.

Terjyn · 01-22-2009, 05:19 PM

He speaks rather amazing English by this point, but I know a lot of corporate execs like him, and none of them are excellent at PR, and I'm convinced that not having English as his native language is part of why.

I can't imagine trying to be PR-suave in a different language then English.

xtop · 01-22-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodintentions

dude that was posted on the amazon forums .. which is known to be full of nothing but 360bots ....
its BS even if that fact were true they would NEVER openly admit to something like that ..

just because they posted it there doesnt make it untrue..unless this site got it from there lol.

but i have no problem with this being closed if need be

01-22-2009, 02:15 PM	#8
pmac Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Mar 2008 Home Theater Gallery:33 Blu-ray collection:469 Digital collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	How is it deliberate misrepresentation? They did the right thing and there is absolutely nothing wrong with admitting it, if that is a genuine article. IMHO, to take the defense about this article means you might have some Fanboy in you As with all consoles in the past how difficult was it to get copied games. Buy the console and 6 months later, you never buy an original again. Here you have a case that with everything they release, you will only have the option to buy, not steal. It sounds like the proper direction for anti-piracy measures, to ensure them honest sales, and with that we are getting the commitment from then to continue to invest in the technology going forward. You guys know that one (minor to moderate) issue that sales are really good for the Xbox (and possibly Wii, but I don’t know if Wii is hacked.) is they can be pirated. So people who would be so inclined will tend to hover towards that console. These are not digs at any console, but merely an objective opinion from past experience (way past). How many people do you think but a console try to "MOD" it on theory own, and have to go back out and buy another one right away because they screwed it up LOL, don't say it doesn’t happen...I did it years ago with the original XBOX, but that was then this is now. I no longer do stuff like that, I finally grew up or matured, if you will. There are companies getting RICH, creating "MOD" chips. Way to go Sony, I hope it never gets hacked. I would rather have a slower penetration into the market to know that sales are 100% genuine, rather than make those people rich and have a guesstimated 10% of people modding the system and buying copies, or downloading them. I would not doubt that 10% is not that generous, might even be slightly higher but it’s a guess so don’t trash me. Great post, I hope it is true. I would not doubt it at all, and would not get on the defense about it either (there are some people trashing the validity already, why I do not know) it just means hoping for continued development for the equivalent to "home brew" because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do apps is looking positive. K...I have re-read this prior to post, and I think it makes sense let me know if you think I am way off base here. EDIT: Just another "Guess", but anyone that thinks these applications like photo album have not been ready for ages is probably only fooling themselves. Sony probably has numerous updates ready, but is doing a very smart release schedule with them to keep your interest piqued. Slow but steady to continually impress rather than one mass upgrade and then nothing for years. That would be boaring. This keeps it fresh and exciting. I am always excited for firmware updates and also to see whats new in the store every week. I don't think I am alone on this mentality either. Last edited by pmac; 01-22-2009 at 02:39 PM.

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01-22-2009, 01:12 PM	#2
Goodintentions Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2009 Location:the Anals of Uranus Blu-ray collection:16	dude that was posted on the amazon forums .. which is known to be full of nothing but 360bots .... its BS even if that fact were true they would NEVER openly admit to something like that ..

01-22-2009, 01:14 PM	#3
Terjyn Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:122	It is bogus news, because it's misinterpreted. He didn't mean "We made this intentionally hard to program for". He meant "It's hard to program for because it's exceptionally powerful. The only way we could have made something easier to program for is to use weaker technology." IE if they had used weaker technology sure it'd be more exploited by now, but at the same time there'd be no room for devs to grow.

01-22-2009, 01:42 PM	#5
Elandyll Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2007 Location:MD Blu-ray collection:188 Trading Score:1	Aye. Classic case of deliberate misinterpretation. He obviously means that because of the PS3 novel and powerful architecture, it is hard to develop for. Simpler designs would be easier to develop for, but in the long run, would have their limits reached very rapidly while the complex architecture can be pushed and optimized for a longer period of time.

01-22-2009, 01:50 PM	#6
xtop Blu-ray Count Member since:Oct 2007 Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Digital collection:- Trading Score:3	wheres a mod when you need one...

01-22-2009, 05:16 PM	#12
Septimus Prime Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:164 Trading Score:2	I think it's pretty clear now that Mr. Hirai just isn't very good at PR. I imagine he meant a lot more than what he actually said.

01-22-2009, 05:19 PM	#14
Terjyn Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:122	He speaks rather amazing English by this point, but I know a lot of corporate execs like him, and none of them are excellent at PR, and I'm convinced that not having English as his native language is part of why. I can't imagine trying to be PR-suave in a different language then English.

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