HD pastel? - Blu-ray Forum

john_1958 · 05-12-2005, 04:06 PM

Checked out local television store and came across SHARP 45" HDTV AQUOS set to watch HD baseball sport channel. Look horrible with pastel skin tones and blotchy facial hair and it’s supposed to be 1920x1080?. Not worth the price of buying

phloyd · 05-12-2005, 06:18 PM

Many LCD's have that kind of colour balance. Plasmas can by funky too.

It has nothing to do with resolution.

So ... your 1920x1080 comment makes little sense.... It is like saying that car is a horrible colour, and yet it is 400 horse power...

Cheers!

john_1958 · 05-12-2005, 08:31 PM

No one needs a set like that showing pastel soft imagery when its suppose to be awesome HD especially 1080p or is the reason the HD program was poor quality and didn't have enough to be spectacular either way it shouldn't have shown what was mentioned just letting readers know.

Hope future sets improve!

Blu-Wave · 05-12-2005, 09:06 PM

... most flat panel displays are demonstrated using cartoons, making it hard to evaluate their picture quality. When faced with a more challenging source, many still accentuate compression artefacts such as "blockiness," etc., and artefact-free sports footage can be pretty demanding of bandwidth.

Do you know if the HD program was 720p or 1080i or 1080p, John? Also, the compression scheme and bitrates employed would be useful to know. At the kinds of bitrates favoured by broadcasters it's likely that you'll feel as if you've walked into your local "Artefacts R Us" when viewing 1080p - luckily blu-ray has the capacity and bandwidth to provide the awesome HD imagery you're looking for - which I thought was the point in the first place? :?

Flat panel displays are improving rapidly, but they still have some way to go before they'll do full justice to well recorded 1080p24 using the current version of MPeg4 AVC and around 20Mbps for video - or even MPeg2 at 24Mbps. :!:

john_1958 · 04-01-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu-Wave

... most flat panel displays are demonstrated using cartoons, making it hard to evaluate their picture quality. When faced with a more challenging source, many still accentuate compression artefacts such as "blockiness," etc., and artefact-free sports footage can be pretty demanding of bandwidth.

Do you know if the HD program was 720p or 1080i or 1080p, John? Also, the compression scheme and bitrates employed would be useful to know. At the kinds of bitrates favoured by broadcasters it's likely that you'll feel as if you've walked into your local "Artefacts R Us" when viewing 1080p - luckily blu-ray has the capacity and bandwidth to provide the awesome HD imagery you're looking for - which I thought was the point in the first place? :?

Flat panel displays are improving rapidly, but they still have some way to go before they'll do full justice to well recorded 1080p24 using the current version of MPeg4 AVC and around 20Mbps for video - or even MPeg2 at 24Mbps. :!:

that was a few years ago wish i wrote that model down somewhere
not sure if its still on the market but i've noticed improvement since then with
Sharp AQUOS LC-52D64U 52" LCD HDTV but it doesn't like 24fps

Brian Cash · 04-01-2008, 09:00 PM

well it could be the source that it was hooked up to or broadcasted but have two aquos and they are quite amazing i love them pq is superb i will only buy a sharp with lcds

Bobby Henderson · 04-01-2008, 11:07 PM

Most demo televisions in electronics stores are not set up properly. Many aren't even being fed a proper HD signal. Lots of demo TVs have their remotes handy (on wired security leashes) for little brat kids and other dummies to freely fart around with all the settings.

Unless you can actually look at the TV set properly adjusted and fed good HD quality signal, the first look at a demo TV is hardly demonstrative at all of how good or bad the TV really may be.

john_1958 · 04-03-2008, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Cash

well it could be the source that it was hooked up to or broadcasted but have two aquos and they are quite amazing i love them pq is superb i will only buy a sharp with lcds

yeah a 4 ms sharp sure beats 8 ms

they could have turned off certain features like digital optimzer

Rob · 05-13-2005, 12:42 AM

The 2 reviews I read said that colours looked washed out or pastel when standard tv was the source. Hi-def pictures were claimed to be the best available. Also no other tv in the Uk displays the full 1080 res.

erdega79 · 05-13-2005, 06:31 AM

I just found this review about this tv and it's kind of a mixed bag :P

http://www.bytesector.com/data/bs-ar...?ID=450&page=1

AV_Integrated · 07-19-2005, 06:34 PM

The Sharp is mostly a POS. False contouring (pastels) are only one of the issues with it - the bigger issue is that the TV doesn't even accept 1080p as an input! That's just crazy for a TV that has a native 1080p resolution. Either way, it has been tested and confirmed that this is the case and in their manual you will see no reference to 1080p or 1920x1080 resolutions being accepted.

This is not in line with other top notch video displays on the market and DLP & LCD projection setups don't suffer from false contouring nearly the way that flat panel displays do. Better plasmas and LCD displays almost don't suffer from this problem at all as well.

CRTs also don't suffer from this issue at all really.

Don't judge an entire product category by a single product - it would be like driving a Yugo, then deciding that all cars must suck.

Rob · 07-20-2005, 07:52 AM

Is there actually a tv that will accept (and display completely) a 1080p signal at 50/60hz?

A number of forthcoming 1080p sets I was looking at have turned out not to accept 1080 50/60, but only 1080i. I read a review of Sony's $30,000 SXRD projector unit that I believed was 1080p only to find it doesn't accept it. Instead it takes a 1080i signal and turns it into a progressive signal.

thunderhawk · 07-20-2005, 08:53 AM

As said in other topics: The ammount of TV sets that can process 1080p will rise when more 1080p sources are fully available to the public.
Why have a TV set capable of processing a singal that doesn't exist yet?
PS3 will have 2 1080p outputs, Blu-ray decks probably too,...

When there's demand for an 1080p processing TV set, there will be models capable of processing 1080p.

05-12-2005, 04:06 PM	#1
john_1958 Power Member Member since:Mar 2005	HD pastel? Checked out local television store and came across SHARP 45" HDTV AQUOS set to watch HD baseball sport channel. Look horrible with pastel skin tones and blotchy facial hair and it’s supposed to be 1920x1080?. Not worth the price of buying

05-12-2005, 08:31 PM	#3
john_1958 Power Member Member since:Mar 2005	pastel? No one needs a set like that showing pastel soft imagery when its suppose to be awesome HD especially 1080p or is the reason the HD program was poor quality and didn't have enough to be spectacular either way it shouldn't have shown what was mentioned just letting readers know. Hope future sets improve!

05-12-2005, 09:06 PM	#4
Blu-Wave Active Member Member since:Apr 2004	Artefacts R Us ... ... most flat panel displays are demonstrated using cartoons, making it hard to evaluate their picture quality. When faced with a more challenging source, many still accentuate compression artefacts such as "blockiness," etc., and artefact-free sports footage can be pretty demanding of bandwidth. Do you know if the HD program was 720p or 1080i or 1080p, John? Also, the compression scheme and bitrates employed would be useful to know. At the kinds of bitrates favoured by broadcasters it's likely that you'll feel as if you've walked into your local "Artefacts R Us" when viewing 1080p - luckily blu-ray has the capacity and bandwidth to provide the awesome HD imagery you're looking for - which I thought was the point in the first place? :? Flat panel displays are improving rapidly, but they still have some way to go before they'll do full justice to well recorded 1080p24 using the current version of MPeg4 AVC and around 20Mbps for video - or even MPeg2 at 24Mbps. :!:

05-12-2005, 06:18 PM	#2
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	Many LCD's have that kind of colour balance. Plasmas can by funky too. It has nothing to do with resolution. So ... your 1920x1080 comment makes little sense.... It is like saying that car is a horrible colour, and yet it is 400 horse power... Cheers!

04-01-2008, 09:00 PM	#6
Brian Cash Special Member Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Chicago Blu-ray collection:13 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:3	well it could be the source that it was hooked up to or broadcasted but have two aquos and they are quite amazing i love them pq is superb i will only buy a sharp with lcds

04-01-2008, 11:07 PM	#7
Bobby Henderson Power Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Oklahoma Blu-ray collection:96 Blu-ray reviews: 12	Most demo televisions in electronics stores are not set up properly. Many aren't even being fed a proper HD signal. Lots of demo TVs have their remotes handy (on wired security leashes) for little brat kids and other dummies to freely fart around with all the settings. Unless you can actually look at the TV set properly adjusted and fed good HD quality signal, the first look at a demo TV is hardly demonstrative at all of how good or bad the TV really may be.

05-13-2005, 12:42 AM	#9
Rob Active Member Member since:Jun 2004	The 2 reviews I read said that colours looked washed out or pastel when standard tv was the source. Hi-def pictures were claimed to be the best available. Also no other tv in the Uk displays the full 1080 res.

05-13-2005, 06:31 AM	#10
erdega79 Active Member Member since:Sep 2004 Location:toronto	I just found this review about this tv and it's kind of a mixed bag :P http://www.bytesector.com/data/bs-ar...?ID=450&page=1

07-19-2005, 06:34 PM	#11
AV_Integrated Senior Member Member since:Jan 2005	The Sharp is mostly a POS. False contouring (pastels) are only one of the issues with it - the bigger issue is that the TV doesn't even accept 1080p as an input! That's just crazy for a TV that has a native 1080p resolution. Either way, it has been tested and confirmed that this is the case and in their manual you will see no reference to 1080p or 1920x1080 resolutions being accepted. This is not in line with other top notch video displays on the market and DLP & LCD projection setups don't suffer from false contouring nearly the way that flat panel displays do. Better plasmas and LCD displays almost don't suffer from this problem at all as well. CRTs also don't suffer from this issue at all really. Don't judge an entire product category by a single product - it would be like driving a Yugo, then deciding that all cars must suck.

07-20-2005, 07:52 AM	#12
Rob Active Member Member since:Jun 2004	Is there actually a tv that will accept (and display completely) a 1080p signal at 50/60hz? A number of forthcoming 1080p sets I was looking at have turned out not to accept 1080 50/60, but only 1080i. I read a review of Sony's $30,000 SXRD projector unit that I believed was 1080p only to find it doesn't accept it. Instead it takes a 1080i signal and turns it into a progressive signal.

07-20-2005, 08:53 AM	#13
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	As said in other topics: The ammount of TV sets that can process 1080p will rise when more 1080p sources are fully available to the public. Why have a TV set capable of processing a singal that doesn't exist yet? PS3 will have 2 1080p outputs, Blu-ray decks probably too,... When there's demand for an 1080p processing TV set, there will be models capable of processing 1080p.

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