why are ppl here against 3-D? - Blu-ray Forum

yuriythebest · 04-20-2009, 08:24 PM

right, after seeing some of the comments on this article:
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2596

I was generally intrigued by comments like

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3D is so 1950's. It didn't work in the 80's either. I don't know what makes them think it will work now with crude 20th century technology. Until somebody develops holographic projection, they should just abandon this gimmicky technology. I'd rather look through a Viewmaster.

seems so many ppl here are against 3d for the home. I have a 3d monitor (an iz3d) and enjoy 3d gaming and watching the occasional 3d movie, which I find quite enjoyable as it adds depth and an overall feeling of immersion.

Seems to me all the criticisms here come from people who either thing 3d is still in it's 1950's red/cyan stage, or that "3d is unwatchable" or some other stuff like that.

Rather than starting a new thread full of such comments, what true experiences, apart from theaters have ppl had with 3d- if any? Are such comments perhaps politically motivated? That is against 3d on principle? Why??

RiseDarthVader · 05-01-2009, 05:30 PM

I think as you said alot of people here still think it is the red/cyan glasses. Remember alot of people here have pretty much given up on going to the cinema so they have no idea about what advances have been made. and I also find it ignorant even though sometimes we tell em about the new tech they still say they don't like wearing glasses or it gives them headaches without even trying it.

Pondosinatra · 09-10-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RiseDarthVader

I think as you said alot of people here still think it is the red/cyan glasses. Remember alot of people here have pretty much given up on going to the cinema so they have no idea about what advances have been made. and I also find it ignorant even though sometimes we tell em about the new tech they still say they don't like wearing glasses or it gives them headaches without even trying it.

It's the fact that 3D is simply unachievable in the home and its yet the latest gimmick to try and stem the ongoing drop in attendance at theatres.

I wore the new fangled glasses when I watched Up! And besides the 3D being somewhat lame, it was frankly annoying having them on your head for close to 2hrs.

syncguy · 09-11-2009, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pondosinatra

It's the fact that 3D is simply unachievable in the home and its yet the latest gimmick to try and stem the ongoing drop in attendance at theatres.

I wore the new fangled glasses when I watched Up! And besides the 3D being somewhat lame, it was frankly annoying having them on your head for close to 2hrs.

I am not against 3D. However, I feel that 3D in its current form is too artificial for day-to-day viewing. IMO, it has to be close to real for regular day-to-day viewing.

jdc115 · 09-11-2009, 09:48 AM

I pretty much have no opinion if I would like it or not as I have never seen a 3D film other then maybe some cheese Friday the 13th 3D I think in the 80's.

the recent phase of 3D movies just were not my taste to watch so I can not give a current opinion how they are done.

I would be annoyed if they used it more as a gimmick as has been mentioned by adding something just for the 3D sake.

The second concern I have (though I have no idea if it is a concern) is would it reduce the quality when watching the movie in 2D? Assuming you need to update equipment at home (3D players or better TVs), many of us would choose not to do so for a long time and would still be watching the film in 2D. But if a movie is specifically developed for 3D, what happens to all the 2D viewers? As I am assuming film makers will start thinking of things in different ways as far as camera work or scenes that may be great for their 3D vision but may not translate as well for 2D viewers?

But again, I have no idea of that is a valid just something that comes to my head.

Thanks

syncguy · 09-11-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jdc115

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The second concern I have (though I have no idea if it is a concern) is would it reduce the quality when watching the movie in 2D? Assuming you need to update equipment at home (3D players or better TVs), many of us would choose not to do so for a long time and would still be watching the film in 2D. But if a movie is specifically developed for 3D, what happens to all the 2D viewers? As I am assuming film makers will start thinking of things in different ways as far as camera work or scenes that may be great for their 3D vision but may not translate as well for 2D viewers?

But again, I have no idea of that is a valid just something that comes to my head.

Thanks

I expect new TV and player would be needed to be fully compatible with the final 3D specs. I there are TVs sold claiming that they are 3D ready, however, these may not be fully compatible with the final 3D specs. A 3D player will be able to out put in 2D, I expect, however, 3D disk final specs may not be compatible with current blu-ray players. This is how I understand it.

john_1958 · 09-18-2009, 06:15 PM

http://hiddenwires.co.uk/resourcesnews2009/news20090916-01.html

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Hale-Bopp · 09-18-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by john_1958

http://hiddenwires.co.uk/resourcesnews2009/news20090916-01.html

3d blu-ray

"...3D discs will also include a 2D version of the film that can be viewed on existing 2D players and 3D players will enable consumers to playback their existing libraries of 2D content."

That sounds like good news for everyone, but especially for those who are first entering the market.

Damage Inc. · 09-19-2009, 01:56 AM

But they don't mention if you'll need any special tools to watch in 3D.
Well, I assume it will be with glasses for a while.
Which I... on one side don't mind... yet I do, cause who knows it doesn't feel/watch nice.
Otherwise, if it would have to be with some type of special equipment, it would probably get expensive.

Oh yeah... like nVidia's 3D-gaming, you had to have a 200Hz-screen or something.
But you could play in 3D (with the supported games) no matter what then.
Just the glasses and ("just") a 200Hz image.

So... would that count for BD too?
Also, would it work well on both TVs, which is of course for the typical consumer,
but projectors too or not or...?

zicmubleu · 05-01-2009, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by yuriythebest

seems so many ppl here are against 3d for the home. I have a 3d monitor (an iz3d) and enjoy 3d gaming and watching the occasional 3d movie, which I find quite enjoyable as it adds depth and an overall feeling of immersion.

What 3D movies do you have that play on the iZ3D monitor?

Hale-Bopp · 05-01-2009, 06:22 PM

I guarantee you most of the haters would change their mind once they experience the new 3-D theater tech that's out there right now. Monsters vs. Aliens made me a believer in 3-D again. I was awe struck. Absolute ZERO ghosting, no headaches, no dizziness. Just crystal clear imagery that simply came to life and completely enveloped my sense of sight. The 3-D didn't seem gratuitous in the sense that they were trying to make things come at you. It all felt like a natural part of the experience. Plus, we're now talking about quality films being made this way, so we finally have the best of both worlds.

So yeah, I'm in. I want this at home. But I want the Real D stuff at home and will only settle for that once they're able to bring it. Circular polarization is the way to go. It's perfect. It doesn't require wired glasses, or glasses with batteries or the shuttering effect or anything like that, which I'm glad about. Plus, you can tilt your head and move around a bit without losing your lunch.

I realize this stuff might not come out for a while though, so...

Now I wait...

aramis109 · 05-01-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hale-Bopp

I guarantee you most of the haters would change their mind once they experience the new 3-D theater tech that's out there right now. Monsters vs. Aliens made me a believer in 3-D again. I was awe struck. Absolute ZERO ghosting, no headaches, no dizziness. Just crystal clear imagery that simply came to life and completely enveloped my sense of sight. The 3-D didn't seem gratuitous in the sense that they were trying to make things come at you. It all felt like a natural part of the experience. Plus, we're now talking about quality films being made this way, so we finally have the best of both worlds.

So yeah, I'm in. I want this at home. But I want the Real D stuff at home and will only settle for that once they're able to bring it. Circular polarization is the way to go. It's perfect. It doesn't require wired glasses, or glasses with batteries or the shuttering effect or anything like that, which I'm glad about. Plus, you can tilt your head and move around a bit without losing your lunch.

I realize this stuff might not come out for a while though, so...

Now I wait...

You're talking about a flick that still uses stereoscopic glasses to create the effect, and thus negatives are still glasses, bluriness, headaches and all of that. I know you yourself said you didn't experience that but many people experience all of those things when using glasses. I think that's still a realistic complaint.

Same complaint holds true for needing special equipment. Either glasses or a different set. I've personally yet to see it done well, so I'm surprised by the Monsters vs. Aliens comment that it was "crystal clear". Even the digital projection in our Ultrascreen digital theater wasn't as sharp to me as what I can see at home.

Hale-Bopp · 05-02-2009, 12:19 AM

Well, I guess I'm just as surprised to hear you say that other people have said they found the latest 3-D to be blurry and headache inducing. I have yet to hear anyone say that myself and everyone I know personally who have seen the latest 3-D movies walked away just as impressed as I was.

Maybe some theaters in other states don't have their equipment set up properly? I understand that it takes time to tweak the system so that it works with 100% effectiveness. Every theater needs to be optimized I guess.

I just got back from seeing Battle for Terra and again, I was very impressed with the 3-D tech. No blurriness. No headaches. Just crystal clear imagery.

RiseDarthVader · 05-02-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DVDave

Maybe because 3D sucks. It's a cheap gimmick. Never worked. I've never seen a 3D movie that worked with it.

Now if somebody would develop holographic projection, THAT would be worth it.

And yes, I was the one who the OP is quoting and I stand by that statement.

That is plain being ignorant stupid. You haven't seen any Digital 3D movies yet you go around spreading FUD and *****ing and moaning about it. How about you get out of your "Blu-ray home theater" and spend some money on a Digital 3d and THEN comment on Digital 3D.

mjbethancourt · 05-02-2009, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yuriythebest

right, after seeing some of the comments on this article:
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2596

I was generally intrigued by comments like

seems so many ppl here are against 3d for the home. I have a 3d monitor (an iz3d) and enjoy 3d gaming and watching the occasional 3d movie, which I find quite enjoyable as it adds depth and an overall feeling of immersion.

Seems to me all the criticisms here come from people who either thing 3d is still in it's 1950's red/cyan stage, or that "3d is unwatchable" or some other stuff like that.

Rather than starting a new thread full of such comments, what true experiences, apart from theaters have ppl had with 3d- if any? Are such comments perhaps politically motivated? That is against 3d on principle? Why??

... because there are a bunch of stodgy poops around here that think that anything other than a satiny black & white film is a betrayal of the art form. You'll run into some people here who object to any and every technological advancement; and they can't be content to simply refuse to buy it themselves, they have to flail their arms, presume to speak for everybody, and hassle anyone who doesn't share their objections. Why they choose to haunt a blu-ray forum is the real mystery.

jk1138 · 05-02-2009, 01:43 AM

I would have been one of those who was against it until I took my son to see Monsters V. Aliens. The only showing that would fit into my schedule was the Imax 3-D version. I was not happy about it at first, and almost got my money back. I was shocked by how amazing it looked. I will definitely got see movies in 3-D, but I am not too big on the BD 3-D. Journey to the Center of the Earth gave me a bad headache and did not look all that good. It has to come further along, but I am willing to try it again if it gets some good feedback.

halon · 05-02-2009, 01:49 AM

i LOVE 3D and if i could i would marry it.

Hale-Bopp · 05-02-2009, 02:04 AM

Perhaps too many people feel had by the cheap, red/blue anaglyph movies of yesterday and even also, the BD 3-D movies of today. They really need to stop releasing blu ray movies with that method of 3-D. It's ruining its reputation all over again. Movie studios should just hold out on it altogether until they're at least able to integrate Real D technology into home theaters everywhere.

quest88 · 05-03-2009, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by yuriythebest

seems so many ppl here are against 3d for the home.

I am, thanks for making my mind up for me.

It's cool but I'm not completely sold on it yet.

DIY_HD · 02-10-2010, 06:35 AM

I don't have anything against 3D per se. It's just not important to me to have it. Also, for those of us who wear eyeglasses to see, it is inconvenient at best to have to wear yet another pair of glasses over them. I won't pay a lot of money to see the few movies that I would like to view in 3D. I am content to watch a movie in HD. I don't have to be inside it! If 3D floats your boat, go for it.

09-18-2009, 06:15 PM	#7
john_1958 Power Member Member since:Mar 2005	3D Technology http://hiddenwires.co.uk/resourcesnews2009/news20090916-01.html 3d blu-ray

05-01-2009, 06:22 PM	#11
Hale-Bopp Active Member Member since:Apr 2009 Home Theater Gallery:2 Blu-ray collection:31	I guarantee you most of the haters would change their mind once they experience the new 3-D theater tech that's out there right now. Monsters vs. Aliens made me a believer in 3-D again. I was awe struck. Absolute ZERO ghosting, no headaches, no dizziness. Just crystal clear imagery that simply came to life and completely enveloped my sense of sight. The 3-D didn't seem gratuitous in the sense that they were trying to make things come at you. It all felt like a natural part of the experience. Plus, we're now talking about quality films being made this way, so we finally have the best of both worlds. So yeah, I'm in. I want this at home. But I want the Real D stuff at home and will only settle for that once they're able to bring it. Circular polarization is the way to go. It's perfect. It doesn't require wired glasses, or glasses with batteries or the shuttering effect or anything like that, which I'm glad about. Plus, you can tilt your head and move around a bit without losing your lunch. I realize this stuff might not come out for a while though, so... Now I wait... Last edited by Hale-Bopp; 05-01-2009 at 06:24 PM.

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05-01-2009, 05:30 PM	#2
RiseDarthVader Power Member Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Australia Blu-ray collection:136	I think as you said alot of people here still think it is the red/cyan glasses. Remember alot of people here have pretty much given up on going to the cinema so they have no idea about what advances have been made. and I also find it ignorant even though sometimes we tell em about the new tech they still say they don't like wearing glasses or it gives them headaches without even trying it.

09-11-2009, 09:48 AM	#5
jdc115 Special Member Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Singapore Home Theater Gallery:7 Blu-ray collection:87	I pretty much have no opinion if I would like it or not as I have never seen a 3D film other then maybe some cheese Friday the 13th 3D I think in the 80's. the recent phase of 3D movies just were not my taste to watch so I can not give a current opinion how they are done. I would be annoyed if they used it more as a gimmick as has been mentioned by adding something just for the 3D sake. The second concern I have (though I have no idea if it is a concern) is would it reduce the quality when watching the movie in 2D? Assuming you need to update equipment at home (3D players or better TVs), many of us would choose not to do so for a long time and would still be watching the film in 2D. But if a movie is specifically developed for 3D, what happens to all the 2D viewers? As I am assuming film makers will start thinking of things in different ways as far as camera work or scenes that may be great for their 3D vision but may not translate as well for 2D viewers? But again, I have no idea of that is a valid just something that comes to my head. Thanks

09-19-2009, 01:56 AM	#9
Damage Inc. Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2009 Location:The Netherlands 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:384 DVD collection:5	But they don't mention if you'll need any special tools to watch in 3D. Well, I assume it will be with glasses for a while. Which I... on one side don't mind... yet I do, cause who knows it doesn't feel/watch nice. Otherwise, if it would have to be with some type of special equipment, it would probably get expensive. Oh yeah... like nVidia's 3D-gaming, you had to have a 200Hz-screen or something. But you could play in 3D (with the supported games) no matter what then. Just the glasses and ("just") a 200Hz image. So... would that count for BD too? Also, would it work well on both TVs, which is of course for the typical consumer, but projectors too or not or...?

05-02-2009, 12:19 AM	#13
Hale-Bopp Active Member Member since:Apr 2009 Home Theater Gallery:2 Blu-ray collection:31	Well, I guess I'm just as surprised to hear you say that other people have said they found the latest 3-D to be blurry and headache inducing. I have yet to hear anyone say that myself and everyone I know personally who have seen the latest 3-D movies walked away just as impressed as I was. Maybe some theaters in other states don't have their equipment set up properly? I understand that it takes time to tweak the system so that it works with 100% effectiveness. Every theater needs to be optimized I guess. I just got back from seeing Battle for Terra and again, I was very impressed with the 3-D tech. No blurriness. No headaches. Just crystal clear imagery.

05-02-2009, 01:43 AM	#16
jk1138 Special Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:FL Blu-ray collection:32 Blu-ray reviews:59 Trading Score:27	I would have been one of those who was against it until I took my son to see Monsters V. Aliens. The only showing that would fit into my schedule was the Imax 3-D version. I was not happy about it at first, and almost got my money back. I was shocked by how amazing it looked. I will definitely got see movies in 3-D, but I am not too big on the BD 3-D. Journey to the Center of the Earth gave me a bad headache and did not look all that good. It has to come further along, but I am willing to try it again if it gets some good feedback.

05-02-2009, 01:49 AM	#17
halon Senior Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Pennsylvania 4K collection:12 Blu-ray collection:18 Blu-ray reviews:4	i LOVE 3D and if i could i would marry it.

05-02-2009, 02:04 AM	#18
Hale-Bopp Active Member Member since:Apr 2009 Home Theater Gallery:2 Blu-ray collection:31	Perhaps too many people feel had by the cheap, red/blue anaglyph movies of yesterday and even also, the BD 3-D movies of today. They really need to stop releasing blu ray movies with that method of 3-D. It's ruining its reputation all over again. Movie studios should just hold out on it altogether until they're at least able to integrate Real D technology into home theaters everywhere.

02-10-2010, 06:35 AM	#20
DIY_HD Active Member Member since:Jun 2008 Location:Atlanta, GA Home Theater Gallery:21 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:88 DVD collection:126 Blu-ray reviews:2	I don't have anything against 3D per se. It's just not important to me to have it. Also, for those of us who wear eyeglasses to see, it is inconvenient at best to have to wear yet another pair of glasses over them. I won't pay a lot of money to see the few movies that I would like to view in 3D. I am content to watch a movie in HD. I don't have to be inside it! If 3D floats your boat, go for it.

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