Finally pulling the trigger on a new LCD.

[ZackL]

Ok. So I spent a LOT of time today at Sony Style in Ottawa and I believe this is going to be my next LCD. I was able to watch the 120Hz and instantly loved it. I think i'll shop around for a bit of a better price but this is what im leaning towards:

http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/ser...n100473n100462

Thoughts? Comments? Any disagree? Anyone suggest a Canadian retailer that might offer a better price? Anyone think something would be better at this size? It will be used mainly for gaming and of course, Blu!

[Sith]

Originally Posted by ZackL

Ok. So I spent a LOT of time today at Sony Style in Ottawa and I believe this is going to be my next LCD. I was able to watch the 120Hz and instantly loved it. I think i'll shop around for a bit of a better price but this is what im leaning towards:

http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/ser...n100473n100462

Thoughts? Comments? Any disagree? Anyone think something would be better at this size? It will be used mainly for gaming and of course, Blu!

Happy hunting

[crackinhedz]

looks nice.

Im sure you'll enjoy as Sony makes great LCD's.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by ZackL

Thoughts? Comments? Any disagree? Anyone suggest a Canadian retailer that might offer a better price? Anyone think something would be better at this size? It will be used mainly for gaming and of course, Blu!

Sony make nice TVs, but if you want the best, check out the plasmas from Pioneer and Panasonic. They'll blow any LCD TV out of the water!

[ZackL]

Originally Posted by richteer

Sony make nice TVs, but if you want the best, check out the plasmas from Pioneer and Panasonic. They'll blow any LCD TV out of the water!

Ah. Yes I know the power of the great Kuro. However a plasma is out of the question because of the kind of room it's going to be in. Lots of sun.

[richteer]

Originally Posted by ZackL

Ah. Yes I know the power of the great Kuro. However a plasma is out of the question because of the kind of room it's going to be in. Lots of sun.

Fair point, but: curtains/blinds?

[donutman925]

I would rather have some glare then a shitty picture from an LCD. the 120hz is a gimmick, your still gonna have refresh rate problems, black problems, viewing angle problems, color problems, and your picture will not look that great if the sun is hitting it directly. It will look muted. The list goes on... Get a Panasonic Plasma close to the same size in an LCD and pay a lot less for a better TV. Any smart person will tell you on this forum the exact same thing I am telling you. Plasma is the better choice hands down.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by donutman925

I would rather have some glare then a shitty picture from an LCD. the 120hz is a gimmick, your still gonna have refresh rate problems, black problems, viewing angle problems, color problems, and your picture will not look that great if the sun is hitting it directly. It will look muted. The list goes on... Get a Panasonic Plasma close to the same size in an LCD and pay a lot less for a better TV. Any smart person will tell you on this forum the exact same thing I am telling you. Plasma is the better choice hands down.

Although I am firmly in the PLASMA camp, please don't tell someone who has already made up his mind about an LCD he obviously likes that his choice is a shitty one.

If he plays games more than he watches BD, isn't an LCD a better choice for him anyway? I've always heard that LCD is better for gaming!

[theprophecy247]

good choice man

[donutman925]

Originally Posted by John72953

Although I am firmly in the PLASMA camp, please don't tell someone who has already made up his mind about an LCD he obviously likes that his choice is a shitty one.

If he plays games more than he watches BD, isn't an LCD a better choice for him anyway? I've always heard that LCD is better for gaming!

Plasmas have always been the better choice for videogames. Its people that spin the bad news about plasmas because they have been misinformed. All LCD's suffer badly from refresh rates even Sony's highly touted XBR lines, which with videogames you are moving very fast. Also the notion of burn in "image retention" on plasmas is hogwash. Sure they will get the image retention if your playing for 20 plus hours in a row. With Plasma though they will heal themselves unlike LCD's which once the image has been burnt in its there permanently. Trust me I see it all the time at Best Buy with the loops they play, and I have also seen it on lcd computer monitors if text is displayed for a number of hours. I'm not trying to insult the thread creator I just think that hes wasting his money on technology that isn't up to par for the amount he will be spending and the misinformation hes been fed.

[JasonR]

Wow, the thread explosive diarrhea is at a high.

Looks like a nice TV OP. I am not sure about pricing in Canada, but it seems there should be some place cheaper that Sony Style.

[ZackL]

Originally Posted by donutman925

I would rather have some glare then a shitty picture from an LCD. the 120hz is a gimmick, your still gonna have refresh rate problems, black problems, viewing angle problems, color problems, and your picture will not look that great if the sun is hitting it directly. It will look muted. The list goes on... Get a Panasonic Plasma close to the same size in an LCD and pay a lot less for a better TV. Any smart person will tell you on this forum the exact same thing I am telling you. Plasma is the better choice hands down.

Ive owned two LCDs before this one, and they weren't even top of the line. No angle problems. No refresh rate problems. No color problems. No black problems (simply not quite as deep) And the picture looks fine with sun on it. Anyway...

[richteer]

Originally Posted by ZackL

Ive owned two LCDs before this one, and they weren't even top of the line. No angle problems. No refresh rate problems. No color problems. No black problems (simply not quite as deep) And the picture looks fine with sun on it. Anyway...

[Emphasis mine]
Umm, the "not quite so deep" blacks is the problem with LCD blacks: they're incapable of being as black as plasma black. In my world various shades of charcoal when black is the intent don't cut it. And this is speaking as an owner of an LCD TV...

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by donutman925

Plasmas have always been the better choice for videogames. Its people that spin the bad news about plasmas because they have been misinformed. All LCD's suffer badly from refresh rates even Sony's highly touted XBR lines, which with videogames you are moving very fast. Also the notion of burn in "image retention" on plasmas is hogwash. Sure they will get the image retention if your playing for 20 plus hours in a row. With Plasma though they will heal themselves unlike LCD's which once the image has been burnt in its there permanently. Trust me I see it all the time at Best Buy with the loops they play, and I have also seen it on lcd computer monitors if text is displayed for a number of hours. I'm not trying to insult the thread creator I just think that hes wasting his money on technology that isn't up to par for the amount he will be spending and the misinformation hes been fed.

This is your OPINION....which he didnt ask for. It would be different if he was asking "should I get a plasma or LCD?"

He has clearly done some research before making his decision. Let him buy what he wants.

Side note. My TV has imperfect blacks and slight motion blur. For my (very specific) purposes it is better than plasma. You will notice that while plasmas have blacker blacks, they render less detail in the blacks and shadows. Most importantly TO ME, is that to MY EYE, plasmas look "digital" and unatural. Thats MY EYE....which I use for buying products for ME, not you. Let the OP do the same.

[mikesoba]

Originally Posted by John72953

Although I am firmly in the PLASMA camp, please don't tell someone who has already made up his mind about an LCD he obviously likes that his choice is a shitty one.

If he plays games more than he watches BD, isn't an LCD a better choice for him anyway? I've always heard that LCD is better for gaming!

He did ask for comments.

[donutman925]

Originally Posted by ZackL

Ive owned two LCDs before this one, and they weren't even top of the line. No angle problems. No refresh rate problems. No color problems. No black problems (simply not quite as deep) And the picture looks fine with sun on it. Anyway...

Are you serious? Have you done any research into these technologies? Why do videophiles all own plasmas?

[donutman925]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

This is your OPINION....which he didnt ask for. It would be different if he was asking "should I get a plasma or LCD?"

He has clearly done some research before making his decision. Let him buy what he wants.

Side note. My TV has imperfect blacks and slight motion blur. For my (very specific) purposes it is better than plasma. You will notice that while plasmas have blacker blacks, they render less detail in the blacks and shadows. Most importantly TO ME, is that to MY EYE, plasmas look "digital" and unatural. Thats MY EYE....which I use for buying products for ME, not you. Let the OP do the same.

Plasmas look unnatural, good god people look at what professional experts have to say on plasmas, they provide the most realistic image, close to what a tube tv offers. Plus the thread starter was asking for opinions and suggestions.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by donutman925

Plasmas look unnatural, good god people look at what professional experts have to say on plasmas, they provide the most realistic image, close to what a tube tv offers. Plus the thread starter was asking for opinions and suggestions.

I'm firmly in your camp regarding this statement Donutman925! I watch a lot of live sports in HD and a plasma can't be beat. At least for me it can't be beat. I see a lot of motion blur, lag and artifacting with LCD during live broadcasts and I also find that LCD cannot reproduce skintones as effective as plasma. There is always a skew towards either a green or red colour palette with LCD. Remember though...they're MY eyes watching! Others may not have that problem.

[arush5268d]

And for the record...I'm all for plasmas!

But if you insist on LCD, I'd go for a Samsung and save a lot of cash. If I had money to blow I'd for for a Samsung still - or the Sony XBR as you initially mentioned.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by donutman925

Plasmas look unnatural, good god people look at what professional experts have to say on plasmas, they provide the most realistic image, close to what a tube tv offers. Plus the thread starter was asking for opinions and suggestions.

You are not paying attention. I said TO MY EYE. Yes some pros like plasma more. But when I compare them side by side, both calibrated, with sources, cables, lighting and all things equal, I see deeper blacks on the plasma, colors that are equal, detail that is equal etc. But plasma screens look like a grid to me. Its as if I can see it using the lines and dots to recreate the image. And while the moving image does not look blury at all, it looks somehow mechanical. This is why I say let the OP buy what he likes. I know I am SUPPOSED to like plasma better. I have read a zillion articles touting the benefits. But I cant make one look good to my eye. Yes, proffesionally calibrated side by side.