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[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by jsteinhauer

I don't think that will ever happen until there is a need for games to be printed on UHD media. It's been pretty clear they are not interested in marketing the PS4 as home theater hardware. There is no money to be made downstream from owners who use their console as a BD player. One of the big lessons learned from the PS3 generation.

More likely than a UHD drive is a PS4 without an optical drive and with a larger HDD, because that would be nothing more than a revenue generator for SCE. The next piece of hardware needs to have a larger HDD, no matter what, because that is a potential huge limiting factor in how much money Sony can make via the PS Store. I don't think the average user us up to replacing a HDD. And having to do so just raises your cost to something that is not attractive, anyway.

Let's just make a gentlemen's bet instead. There are enough users in this forum who download most of their games and don't sell games to suggest there is a market for such a device. It's not for everyone. At the right price, it would increase the number of users who downloaded games. If it did not take me two hours to download 1GB, I would download all of my games just for the convenience of not having to shuffle disks.

"I would download all of my games just for the convenience of not having to shuffle disks". Would you feel the same way about blu-ray movies?

You must have missed that the new 4K blu-ray drives can have internal hard disks and with the 4K drives, a Digital Bridge that allows a copy on a local drive, portable drive or stored in a tablet all playable to a TV.

Sony has done no more than hint that the PS4 will be a media hub and the next blu-ray generation successor to the PS3. Clearly if you follow patents, papers, slides and look at who belongs to standards bodies...Sony is seriously invested in the Connected Home = DLNA CVP2 = Vidipath.

Blu-ray streaming comfirmed!

Some interesting fact and supported speculation:

1) The PS4 should be able to play 4K blu-ray
2) DTLA in 2010? planned on streaming blu-ray over the home network but the ecosystem didn't develop. VIdipath is now that ecosystem.
3) 4K blu-ray plans call for a bridge to home and portable players where media can be copied and played on tablets and TVs.



Playready DRM supports the use cases in the Digital bridge slides. In this proposal for Digital bridge, again a Sony proposal it mentions C-ENC (Common encryption) which supports multiple DRM schemes but requires the same format used by Playready as does HTML5 <video> ME.

One of the use cases supports the blu-ray disk menu allowing the entire disk functionality not just the movie. That requires Java in the player and Java as well as Javascript are required for XTV and IoT apps and will be in Vidipath clients.

Again; Vidipath platforms have Playready certified DRM and plans are to stream and copy movies and games between platforms. Notice the Sony media SERVER in the following picture is blocked out but you can see it's mounted upright on a stand like only a PS3 or PS4 can be mounted. Notice in the above 4K Digital Bridge slide it's from Sony pictures. The digital bridge will allow copying a Blu-ray disk to hard disk and allow it to be SERVED to a player or TV. Everyone missed this. The 4K digital bridge is also for media serving and copying to local and remote Hard Disks.

Vidipath and the digital bridge allow access to media from any DRM secure platform in the home. No longer do you have to insert a disk into a player to watch the movie or have the blu-ray player in the same room connected to the TV. This June you can watch TV or access Cable TV DVR Movies from any TV provided it supports Vidipath or has a Vidipath STB or Game Console attached to it.



When are reporters going to get it?

Microsoft and Sony are pushing the connected home with game and media streaming...we haven't seen anything yet. And yes I've been posting on this for two years. Read the links and the post above this one!

This is also why I think we will see a refreshed Xbox 360 mini as rumored and maybe a PS3. BC over the home network, game streaming from last generation Xbox 360 (maybe PS3) and this generation XB1 & PS4 to any HTML5 browser.

XBOX refreshes and accessories coming but what?

Terabyte drives coming in late 2015 XB1 and PS4 to store blu-ray movies?

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by detective392

My biggest concern is that Sony seems to love indies and digital only games which I don't like. We know Uncharted 4 will be there and Ratchet which is awesome for me but the PS experience was a HUGE let down for me and I suspect E3 will be the same besides the few usual big games.

Right now Sony has nothing for Fall unless they delay Until Dawn from Summer and move it to the Fall. Last years LBP3 surprise didn't do anything for them.

Trouble is more and more companies are less and less likely to produce major new AAA IPs because of the costs involved.

I think this is why we have seen companies like Sony cosy up to indies in order to fill the void between AAA releases.

[Mavrick]

PS4 should be able to play back UHDBDs but with the HDMI spec it has will it actually be able to support every feature in the new UHDBD spec?

Will we be stuck with a player that's limited as was the PS3 when 3DBD launched.

If the PS4 can do everything a stand alone can do UHD wise then happy days. If it gets a hardware revision in order to do it or the current PS4 is imited to what UHD content it can play back then I'll happily use it until stand alones reach a reasonable price.

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

PS4 should be able to play back UHDBDs but with the HDMI spec it has will it actually be able to support every feature in the new UHDBD spec?

Will we be stuck with a player that's limited as was the PS3 when 3DBD launched.

If the PS4 can do everything a stand alone can do UHD wise then happy days. If it gets a hardware revision in order to do it or the current PS4 is imited to what UHD content it can play back then I'll happily use it until stand alones reach a reasonable price.

The PS4 has a custom Panasonic HDMI chip. Why custom if not to support HDMI 2 and HDCP 2.X. HDCP can take place in the PS4 southbridge where the Trustzone processor and Cadence-Tensilica Xtensa DPU stream processors reside. The HEVC codec in both the XB1, PS4, Kaveri and Carrizo, in fact all codecs, compression and streaming DRM are software based on Xtensa processors. (not officially confirmed)

Xtensa DPU processors will be in new 4K connected Blu-ray players and some handheld chipsets for OpenVX, Codecs, DRM, upscaling, post processing, Gesture and voice recognition. These same features are supported by Xtensa processors in AMD APUs and Game consoles.

If you read the Movie industry requirements for DRM, it requires a firmware update-able, revocable DRM with watermarking. Further, encryption from Source to Sink and for streaming DRM, that's Playready into the PS4 southbridge and HDCP 2.X out of the southbridge. Having unencrypted video from southbridge to a HDMI chip would violate best practice and Content provider guidelines. Further TEE level DRM for on-line purchases also requires the GPU (for customer assurance ICONs) to be inside the same SoC with all IO and everything managed by a Trustzone like processor (protected virtual processes). The Xtensa DPU can also be used as a low power GPU.

I would guess the Digital Bridge blu-ray movie copy is watermarked for tracking purposes.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

PS4 should be able to play back UHDBDs but with the HDMI spec it has will it actually be able to support every feature in the new UHDBD spec?

Will we be stuck with a player that's limited as was the PS3 when 3DBD launched.

If the PS4 can do everything a stand alone can do UHD wise then happy days. If it gets a hardware revision in order to do it or the current PS4 is imited to what UHD content it can play back then I'll happily use it until stand alones reach a reasonable price.

Final specs have not been released, but my understanding is that in order to output 4k from a UHD BD player to a 4k TV the specs require HDCP 2.2 be used between the two devices and I don't believe the PS4 can do 2.2 and I doubt a FW can fix that. That would mean that it will be downscaled to 1080p and sent as 1080p to the TV (assuming it can do everything else).

[Derb]

Damn Jeff, you guys must be busy over at AVS is all I can say.

While I like discussion on what is & what is not possible, I simply refuse to argue with the AVS crowd. They back their statements with tech facts, not realistic corporate moves.

As I said earlier a new hardware build would need the new HDMI spec. It ain't a software issue. Second, are you willing to pay $800-1,000 for a PS4? ( I know the AVS crowd doesn't mind ) Would you want Sony to cease all physical distribution when you have 407GB of "stock" space to play with?

The bridge is a cool idea to get the ball rolling in the "wrong" direction for a gaming console which Sony claims that is its primary function.

[jsteinhauer]

Originally Posted by Derb

As I said earlier a new hardware build would need the new HDMI spec. It ain't a software issue. Second, are you willing to pay $800-1,000 for a PS4? ( I know the AVS crowd doesn't mind ) Would you want Sony to cease all physical distribution when you have 407GB of "stock" space to play with?

The bridge is a cool idea to get the ball rolling in the "wrong" direction for a gaming console which Sony claims that is its primary function.

Originally Posted by jeff_rigby

...we haven't seen anything yet.

That there is the key. And while the highly connected home may be the ideal and within grasp technically speaking, there are millions of PS4's in 100-year-old homes, mobile homes, apartments, dorm rooms, and my 1995 house purchased by users without any consideration of anything other than possibly playing Uncharted. Sony and MS may have the desire and motivation to move in the direction of whole-house centralized entertainment, but as of yet, we have seen no mainstream marketing evidence that the PS4 is device built and sold with that in mind. In fact, around this forum, there are still members waiting for the PS4 to match the PS3 in its ability to serve as a central entertainment center.

What is completely within the realm of possibility and perhaps probability is a PS console with a TB HDD in 2015. That would make sense from the corporate perspective. Playstation in 2015 is a storefront to generate revenue for SCE, and a larger HDD is needed to fulfill that role. It could not be done at launch, because a competitive pricepoint was needed to compete with MS, and it needed a BD drive at launch, because that was the expectation. The big picture is a lot different now than it was in November 2013.

Indies do more than just fill in gaps between AAA titles. They get users accustomed to downloading game titles and accustomed to the convenience of switching between games on the fly without having to swap a disk. They also get users into the PS store where they may see other items for sale and make a purchase, even if it's Trials Fusion for $5.00 or a theme for $1.99. Playstation users are being trained.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

But again, everyone is basing "doom and gloom" for Sony's conference on what we don't know. As if somehow Sony is just going to sit on their ass and NOT try to impress or is incapable of surprising everyone. Now, is it POSSIBLE that Sony's conference will underwhelm? Well, sure anything is possible. I just think Sony has earned the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.

I always hate this part of their conferences. However coming from someone who works for a Japanese company, I've come to accept that this is simply part of the Japanese business culture. They LOVE their charts and graphs and talking ad nauseam about sales figures.

I don't see the intrigue with Minecraft either but millions disagree with me.

No Man's Sky is about exploration and discovery. That's the appeal along with the fact that there's never been a game that has given us this level of freedom before. We've never been able to play in a universe this huge. If it's not your thing, that's cool. However the POTENTIAL upside of this game is enormous and appeals to a lot of people.

Agree. Well said.

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by jsteinhauer

That there is the key. And while the highly connected home may be the ideal and within grasp technically speaking, there are millions of PS4's in 100-year-old homes, mobile homes, apartments, dorm rooms, and my 1995 house purchased by users without any consideration of anything other than possibly playing Uncharted. Sony and MS may have the desire and motivation to move in the direction of whole-house centralized entertainment, but as of yet, we have seen no mainstream marketing evidence that the PS4 is device built and sold with that in mind. In fact, around this forum, there are still members waiting for the PS4 to match the PS3 in its ability to serve as a central entertainment center.

What is completely within the realm of possibility and perhaps probability is a PS console with a TB HDD in 2015. That would make sense from the corporate perspective. Playstation in 2015 is a storefront to generate revenue for SCE, and a larger HDD is needed to fulfill that role. It could not be done at launch, because a competitive pricepoint was needed to compete with MS, and it needed a BD drive at launch, because that was the expectation. The big picture is a lot different now than it was in November 2013.

Indies do more than just fill in gaps between AAA titles. They get users accustomed to downloading game titles and accustomed to the convenience of switching between games on the fly without having to swap a disk. They also get users into the PS store where they may see other items for sale and make a purchase, even if it's Trials Fusion for $5.00 or a theme for $1.99. Playstation users are being trained.

Your logic is impeccable but has the typical holes because the news media is not doing it's job.

The connected home is part of many converging technologies and is driven by the three network convergance; Cable TV moving to IPTV, Phone moving to VOIP and IP (Internet) being served by a cable modem. It's not Microsoft and Sony driving this, they are just taking advantage of and are riding the roadmap set by multiple industries. The FCC is pushing both VOIP and IPTV from cable modems with a FCC mandate that this June all cable companies have to support Vidipath from their DVRs and any Tru2way cable box.

Examples of the roadmap are Playstation Vue and Playstation Now which require a Internet more robust than we now have. Comcast is moving to all IPTV sometime soon after 2017. They just announced that they can offer 22 million (80%) of their customers a 2Gb/sec internet connection in 2016 which will be required to support the bandwidth needed for all IPTV sometime after 2017.

Vidipath is a standard proposed by the CE industry to the FCC in 2007 called CEA-2014 and revised to CEA-2014B (DLNA CVP2 = Vidipath). In 2010 the FCC mandated the Cable industry support it and June 2015 is when it's to be implemented. Playready was adopted by Sony in 2011 when it was chosen as the Common DRM for Vidipath. All other standards are open source except the DRM for obvious reasons. 4K blu-ray Digital bridge must support the common encryption standard which uses the Playready format as does HTML5 <video> ME which will be how Vidipath is streamed.

Older homes and dorms can use MOCA which is built into newer Cable modems as is FCC required emergency alert, Two WiFi radios (2.4 and 5 Ghz), a coming portable phone standard, Samba Network file access and DLNA.

Originally Posted by http://www.accton.com/Newspage.asp?sno=82

At the recent May 2012 NCTA Cable Show in Boston, Glenn Britt, Time Warner Cable CEO told attendees at the opening session that traditional digital cable set-tops will become extinct and eventually replaced by smart TVs and other IP-connected devices such as gaming consoles.

With a media gateway, Cable Operators can deliver a mix of everything from home automation, home security, and multi-screen video (wireless distribution of video to PCs, tablets, and mobile phones in the home) in addition to online gaming and video conferencing services.

Add to this blu-ray streaming.

This 2010 leaked Xbox 720 presentation spells out Microsofts plans but some parts delayed.

Originally Posted by jsteinhauer

"Sony and MS may have the desire and motivation to move in the direction of whole-house centralized entertainment, but as of yet, we have seen no mainstream marketing evidence that the PS4 is device built and sold with that in mind."

HTML5 with W3C extensions like DLNA will be used to support Vidipath and DLNA 2 with HEVC as well as the 4K blu-ray spec were just released. This is the reason the PS4 still doesn't support DLNA.... For Microsoft they waited for Cable Labs, Khronos and the W3C to finalize standards (October 2014) before they released DLNA for the XB1. I'm expecting and there is a quote from a Sony employee that 2015 will see many more firmware updates to the PS4 (June to October).

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by Derb

Damn Jeff, you guys must be busy over at AVS is all I can say.

While I like discussion on what is & what is not possible, I simply refuse to argue with the AVS crowd. They back their statements with tech facts, not realistic corporate moves.

As I said earlier a new hardware build would need the new HDMI spec. It ain't a software issue. Second, are you willing to pay $800-1,000 for a PS4? ( I know the AVS crowd doesn't mind ) Would you want Sony to cease all physical distribution when you have 407GB of "stock" space to play with?

The bridge is a cool idea to get the ball rolling in the "wrong" direction for a gaming console which Sony claims that is its primary function.

Yeah and the PS3 was only a gaming console too.

To support HDMI 2.0, the custom Panasonic HDMI chip and using the Southbridge Xtensa processors for encryption is at the same time Cheaper, provides a more robust DRM that complies with Movie industry recomendations and supports Digital bridge requirements including water marking.

Where are you getting the $1000 price for a PS4? There is no HARDWARE change needed to the $399 version to support 4K blu-ray. 1) PS4 is Feature-proved" means they have a list of coming features with the hardware designed/proved to be able to support those features. "Sony Looking At Providing Smaller, More Frequent PS4 Updates and at adding more and more features to it in 2015.’"

[jsteinhauer]

Originally Posted by jeff_rigby

Your logic is impeccable but has the typical holes because the news media is not doing it's job.

Marketing is not the responsibility of newsmedia, and in fact, would be a breach of what should be considered unbiased reporting of facts. It's the responsibility of the entity (Sony in this case) that wants to convince the target population that you need something they offer. Look at the PS4 promotional material created by Sony on their own website. Nowhere, not even once, do they mention AV capabilities of the PS4. The only non-gaming features of PS4 promoted are apps (Netflix, hulu, MLB.tv, etc.). Not even mentioned is the fact that PS4 has an optical drive, which is indirect evidence that there will be iterations of the PS4 that don't. If Sony is not telling you about it, they don't care for you to know about it. PS3 only "did everything". PS4 is a gaming console.

Whether the media has been lax in doing investigative reporting is up to the beholder. The news you describe is news of interest only to a select population of electronics and home AV enthusiasts.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by jeff_rigby

Yeah and the PS3 was only a gaming console too.

To support HDMI 2.0, the custom Panasonic HDMI chip and using the Southbridge Xtensa processors for encryption is at the same time Cheaper, provides a more robust DRM that compiles with Movie industry recomendations and supports Digital bridge requirements including water marking.

Where are you getting the $1000 price for a PS4? There is no HARDWARE change needed to the $399 version to support 4K blu-ray. 1) PS4 is Feature-proved" means they have a list of coming features with the hardware designed/proved to be able to support those features. "Sony Looking At Providing Smaller, More Frequent PS4 Updates and at adding more and more features to it in 2015.’"

I bought the PS3 for BD, not games when it launched.

So you are saying that Sony & Company are gonna spin the PS4 drive at no additional cost & provide 4K playback? Where is the secret sauce? Internet? disc? Sorry you lost me to the whole HT concept of "not making money" off of new tech.

Merry Christmas everyone!

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by Derb

I bought the PS3 for BD, not games when it launched.

So you are saying that Sony & Company are gonna spin the PS4 drive at no additional cost & provide 4K playback? Where is the secret sauce? Internet? disc? Sorry you lost me to the whole HT concept of "not making money" off of new tech.

Merry Christmas everyone!

4K blu-ray requires:
1) 3 layer disks with the Panasonic tweek = 99 GB All drives after about 2012 can read the extra layer.
2) HEVC codec and the PS4 has the same Xtensa IVP processor that AMD's Kaveri has and it supports HEVC without using the GPU shaders.
3) HDMI 2.0 (faster clock) and HDCP 2.2 firmware updatable which again can be supported by the Xtensa processor in the PS4 Southbridge.
4) Software codecs with accelerators and watermarking for digital bridge is again the Xtensa processor in Southbridge.

For Sony making money it's three fold;
1) they make money selling blu-ray disks
2) they promote Vidipath and the connected home which sells their hardware
3) Every UI on the home network originating from a Sony product or displayed on a Sony product has a Sony store and Services that makes Sony money.

[Derb]

Originally Posted by jeff_rigby

4K blu-ray requires:
1) 3 layer disks with the Panasonic tweek = 99 GB All drives after about 2012 can read the extra layer.
2) HEVC codec and the PS4 has the same Xtensa IVP processor that AMD's Kaveri has and it supports HEVC without using the GPU shaders.
3) HDMI 2.0 (faster clock) and HDCP 2.2 firmware updatable which again can be supported by the Xtensa processor in the PS4 Southbridge.
4) Software codecs with accelerators and watermarking for digital bridge is again the Xtensa processor in Southbridge.

For Sony making money it's three fold;
1) they make money selling blu-ray disks
2) they promote Vidipath and the connected home which sells their hardware
3) Every UI on the home network originating from a Sony product or displayed on a Sony product has a Sony store and Services that makes Sony money.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by jeff_rigby

4K blu-ray requires:
1) 3 layer disks with the Panasonic tweek = 99 GB All drives after about 2012 can read the extra layer.
2) HEVC codec and the PS4 has the same Xtensa IVP processor that AMD's Kaveri has and it supports HEVC without using the GPU shaders.
3) HDMI 2.0 (faster clock) and HDCP 2.2 firmware updatable which again can be supported by the Xtensa processor in the PS4 Southbridge.
4) Software codecs with accelerators and watermarking for digital bridge is again the Xtensa processor in Southbridge.

For Sony making money it's three fold;
1) they make money selling blu-ray disks
2) they promote Vidipath and the connected home which sells their hardware
3) Every UI on the home network originating from a Sony product or displayed on a Sony product has a Sony store and Services that makes Sony money.

That would be cool if the PS4 could play Ultra definition discs with just a firmware update from PSN if that is the case. Thanks for the analysis.
Would be nice to hear some Sony news about it at e3 2015.

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UDTV: Are we ready to upgrade our HDTV already?
It would be good incentive to upgrade from HDTV if the UD player could be updated with PS4 firmware, though I am totally satisfied with blu ray and HDTV as far as resolution goes. It's as sharp and clear as I want it. If the resolution gets any higher, I'll have to sit in front of the screen with a magnifying glass to see the difference.

Was in the Best Buy when UDTV was on display, and couldn't tell the difference from an HDTV from a normal viewing distance. Up close though, the pixels were almost invisible. Just not sure who watches a TV that close, but I'm sure they'll market it to sell.

[Elandyll]

Take it with an obvious huge grain of salt, but apparently there are actual rumblings around the possible presence of The Last Guardian at E3.

The thread where it was discussed has now been closed on GAF, but it looked like the Junior who leaked that was confirmed "in a position to know".
That doesn't mean it's going to happen 100%, but it is fairly logical imo.

With no Gamescom and the PGS being so close to the Holidays (and TGS being generally geared toward Asia), I think this E3 should be one for the memories for both Sony and MS (they have a ton of their key IPs to show on their end).

[jeff_rigby]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

That would be cool if the PS4 could play Ultra definition discs with just a firmware update from PSN if that is the case. Thanks for the analysis.
Would be nice to hear some Sony news about it at e3 2015.

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UDTV: Are we ready to upgrade our HDTV already?
It would be good incentive to upgrade from HDTV if the UD player could be updated with PS4 firmware, though I am totally satisfied with blu ray and HDTV as far as resolution goes. It's as sharp and clear as I want it. If the resolution gets any higher, I'll have to sit in front of the screen with a magnifying glass to see the difference.

Was in the Best Buy when UDTV was on display, and couldn't tell the difference from an HDTV from a normal viewing distance. Up close though, the pixels were almost invisible. Just not sure who watches a TV that close, but I'm sure they'll market it to sell.

The digital bridge and Vidipath streaming are the selling points for me. Live Xfinity X1 DVR Platform Vidipath demo with RUI on Samsung TV, Broadcom STB and AWOX reference Tablet

4K blu-ray will be introduced sometime around October by everyone and advertising will start then...I don't expect Sony to announce the PS4 can support it till then.

Vidipath on the other hand is mandated by the FCC for this June and E3 is in June. Problem is that the certified platforms haven't been announced yet...... Customer education starts with news releases and on-line scheduled Webinars for professionals and technical News reporters. Those are happening now.

Then Comcast and other Cable companies will tout Vidipath DVRs and Vidipath client platforms will be advertised. Most ARM phones and Tablets can support Vidipath with a firmware update; it must support Playready and HTML5 with DLNA extensions. Smart TVs with RVU, Playready and Browser should support Vidipath with a firmware update. PS4 and XB1 with a firmware update. There is a Sony Job posting where Sony is porting Playready to the PS3 (it only natively (embedded) supported Marlin).

When though? There are other features that make Vidipath platforms attractive so that the consumer will buy them. The browser supporting XTV (browser able to be called from a TV program), Game streaming, Blu-ray codec allowing 1080P and S3D, 4K-blu-ray Vidipath streaming 4K and 1080P movies, TV programming copies allowed, on-line purchases and more. Many of these features are chicken and egg, they won't be implemented till enough Vidipath platforms are in homes.

It's already May 19th and June 1 is the FCC mandate...I don't see enough happening so I expect the industry (Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo) isn't going to announce it at E3.

[Mavrick]

Originally Posted by Elandyll

Take it with an obvious huge grain of salt, but apparently there are actual rumblings around the possible presence of The Last Guardian at E3.

The thread where it was discussed has now been closed on GAF, but it looked like the Junior who leaked that was confirmed "in a position to know".
That doesn't mean it's going to happen 100%, but it is fairly logical imo.

With no Gamescom and the PGS being so close to the Holidays (and TGS being generally geared toward Asia), I think this E3 should be one for the memories for both Sony and MS (they have a ton of their key IPs to show on their end).

Hasn't that been the case for the last 8 years?

[partridge]

I've gotta be honest Jeff, not much of that made any sense to me at all. Personally I don't think 4K is going to hit the big time (assuming it ever does) any time soon.

I am happy with my Full HD set, it's going nowhere. I have absolutely no interest in re-purchasing the same films yet again on UHD!!

4K is the latest tech industry bluff to get people spending money when they don't need to; and if they do, the tech industry will simply roll out 8K in a few years time...

No thanks. Full HD is as good as an image needs to be and that's what counts for most consumers out there.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by partridge

I've gotta be honest Jeff, not much of that made any sense to me at all. Personally I don't think 4K is going to hit the big time (assuming it ever does) any time soon.

I am happy with my Full HD set, it's going nowhere. I have absolutely no interest in re-purchasing the same films yet again on UHD!!

4K is the latest tech industry bluff to get people spending money when they don't need to; and if they do, the tech industry will simply roll out 8K in a few years time...

No thanks. Full HD is as good as an image needs to be and that's what counts for most consumers out there.

I'm in 100% agreement with you. I have reached my "good enough" threshold with 1080p and feel that needs to be the television standard for a long time. Hell most networks aren't even broadcasting in full 1080p yet, let alone 4K. Also, the vast majority of consumers aren't even equipped to accomodate anything where they would even SEE the benefits from 4K. It's completely superfluous IMO.