Shin Godzilla (2016)

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Mr. Chaverria

I'm all excited for a Toho G and all, I just hope they adopt better and progressive filmmaking to how they do it.

Toho for so long held onto a non progressive filmmaking to their G films. Dull and uninspired. Toho has to give a damn to make this property flourish into a level of modernity for great filmmaking. The visual presence of G will supposedly be a suit and cg hybrid. I hope the direction fleshes out a solid visual for G. I love seeing G, crap film or not, cuz he's G BUT the visual presentation has been lacking a lot for him. They need to know how to evolve their shooting method for him. Instead of mostly just being stuck in the same template w/ little flourishes.

I think the biggest problem was Toho's rushed productions. Toho released a new monster flick every year between 1991-2004. That gave the filmmakers little time to experiment with better effects techniques or test new ideas

What I like about the current schedule is that Toho can't do the year after year formula again since that would risk clashing with Legendary's movies which Toho isn't going to do. Thus Toho is going to have to spend years between Godzilla flicks and I think that will be only a benefit the quality of the final products

[Janjira54]

Originally Posted by Lt. Brannigan

Godzilla is such a divo, he can't even be bothered to show up on set....

That's what you think
https://youtu.be/pHi6tG-fSfs

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by Janjira54

That's what you think
https://youtu.be/pHi6tG-fSfs

That's just him strolling around town last month, my point still stands.

[Packerfan75]

Originally Posted by Janjira54

That's what you think
https://youtu.be/pHi6tG-fSfs

They should ask Lucius Fox to make him a suit so he can turn his head.

[OrlandoEastwood]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

I think the biggest problem was Toho's rushed productions. Toho released a new monster flick every year between 1991-2004. That gave the filmmakers little time to experiment with better effects techniques or test new ideas

What I like about the current schedule is that Toho can't do the year after year formula again since that would risk clashing with Legendary's movies which Toho isn't going to do. Thus Toho is going to have to spend years between Godzilla flicks and I think that will be only a benefit the quality of the final products

Yeah, I am quite happy with this current state. It's a movie (Godzilla), then a year off, then a movie (the Japanese Godzilla), then a year off, and then another movie (Godzilla 2).

[kemcha]

You also forgot that Toho didn't use CGI, whereas Legendary did. Since Japanese actors aren't paid the kind of salaries that Hollywood actors are, they can afford to produce a Godzilla movie every year.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by kemcha

You also forgot that Toho didn't use CGI

Um yes they did

Toho has used some CGI in all Godzilla movies since the early 90s. The Millennium Godzilla movies used quite a bit of CGI. They used less than Hollywood pictures at the time due to their low budgets and fast production times

[Infernal King]

Has kemcha ever been right about anything?

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by kemcha

You also forgot that Toho didn't use CGI, whereas Legendary did. Since Japanese actors aren't paid the kind of salaries that Hollywood actors are, they can afford to produce a Godzilla movie every year.

Toho used some very dodgy CGI in their movies, or are you only talking about the Showa series?

[MechaGodzilla]

The miniatures seem to look good.

Originally Posted by kemcha

You also forgot that Toho didn't use CGI, whereas Legendary did. Since Japanese actors aren't paid the kind of salaries that Hollywood actors are, they can afford to produce a Godzilla movie every year.

There are good reasons not to rush production even with Japanese movies (I don't understand why there should be a difference there). Shusuke Kaneko, who directed the Gamera trilogy for Daiei in the '90s and Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack for Toho in the early '00s, would back that up. He's said that, while Daiei's budgets were smaller, they offered him longer production schedules and more creative freedom. Toho on the other hand gave him a bigger budget but also tighter deadlines and more corporate interference.

He preferred his experience with Daiei, and it's evident which was better for him and his crew when comparing the films he made under each system. And I say that as someone who thinks GMK is probably the best Godzilla movie of the last 30 years. It turning out as well as it did is more a testament to Kaneko's vision and talent than anything, it still fell short of its potential. imagine the movie it could have been if Toho didn't rush production and interfere with the creative process. Hopefully they have learned from their mistakes with this new film.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

There are good reasons not to rush production even with Japanese movies (I don't understand why there should be a difference there). Shusuke Kaneko, who directed the Gamera trilogy for Daiei in the '90s and Godzilla, Mothra and King Ghidorah: Giant Monsters All-Out Attack for Toho in the early '00s, would back that up. He's said that, while Daiei's budgets were smaller, they offered him longer production schedules and more creative freedom. Toho on the other hand gave him a bigger budget but also tighter deadlines and more corporate interference.

He preferred his experience with Daiei, and it's evident which was better for him and his crew when comparing the films he made under each system. And I say that as someone who thinks GMK is probably the best Godzilla movie of the last 30 years. It turning out as well as it did is more a testament to Kaneko's vision and talent than anything, it still fell short of its potential. imagine the movie it could have been if Toho didn't rush production and interfere with the creative process. Hopefully they have learned from their mistakes with this new film.

That would explain why Gamera Revenge of Iris came out the same year as Godzilla 2000 and had a slightly smaller budget yet its effects look better. So yeah more time given for the production can yield better results even if the budget is not increased. I'm hoping the trend of an American Godzilla movie and a Japanese Godzilla movie alternating every 4 years continues. Gives both series the time needed to maximize their potential

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith

That would explain why Gamera Revenge of Iris came out the same year as Godzilla 2000 and had a slightly smaller budget yet its effects look better. So yeah more time given for the production can yield better results even if the budget is not increased. I'm hoping the trend of an American Godzilla movie and a Japanese Godzilla movie alternating every 4 years continues. Gives both series the time needed to maximize their potential

Yeah, it's crazy how much better the Gamera trilogy - especially 2 and 3 - look compared to the Godzilla movies that came out around the same time. Much more polished in every way, and yes, I think the longer production schedules played a part in that. It also helps that the Gamera trilogy had Shinji Higuchi as special effects director. His involvement in this upcoming Godzilla movie as co-director and director of special effects is very promising and I hope he can live up to his past glories.

I agree that hopefully Toho will give the movies some time to breathe if they do end up making more after this one. It wouldn't just allow for the films to be better, it'd make audience fatigue less likely. Releasing one movie per year, several years in a row will be too much for people eventually and I think that played a major part in the dwindling popularity of Godzilla throughout the Heisei and Millennium eras.

Here someone might think "but what about Showa, they released a Godzilla movie plus various other giant monster movies every year for the better part of three decades back then". True, but Showa was different as there was no home video in the '50s-early '70s. The only way to see those movies at the time was in theaters, and the number of times someone saw a movie would be limited compared to how we've been able to rewatch any number of movies a countless number of times in the comfort of our homes since the '80s, so it wouldn't "get old" as fast.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by MechaGodzilla

Yeah, it's crazy how much better the Gamera trilogy - especially 2 and 3 - look compared to the Godzilla movies that came out around the same time. Much more polished in every way, and yes, I think the longer production schedules played a part in that. It also helps that the Gamera trilogy had Shinji Higuchi as special effects director. His involvement in this upcoming Godzilla movie as co-director and director of special effects is very promising and I hope he can live up to his past glories.

I agree that hopefully Toho will give the movies some time to breathe if they do end up making more after this one. It wouldn't just allow for the films to be better, it'd make audience fatigue less likely. Releasing one movie per year, several years in a row will be too much for people eventually and I think that played a major part in the dwindling popularity of Godzilla throughout the Heisei and Millennium eras.

Here someone might think "but what about Showa, they released a Godzilla movie plus various other giant monster movies every year for the better part of three decades back then". True, but Showa was different as there was no home video in the '50s-early '70s. The only way to see those movies at the time was in theaters, and the number of times someone saw a movie would be limited compared to how we've been able to rewatch any number of movies a countless number of times in the comfort of our homes since the '80s, so it wouldn't "get old" as fast.

Releasing a second new Godzilla movie before Godzilla 2 would be financial suicide for Toho because of Legendary's movie. Toho gets free Japanese distribution rights and Japanese merchandising rights for Legendary's movie even though they don't have to spend a dime making them. Its free money for them. If Legendary had decided to fast track a sequel for 2016 instead of waiting till 2018 Toho would not be making another Godzilla movie right now. But because Legendary is choosing to wait a couple extra years Toho is making a movie to profit off the characters newfound popularity and keep the character in the public eye.

The effects Shinji Higuchi did on Gamera Revenge of Iris are very impressive when you consider it was made 1999 for only $7 million. I am excited to see what he will deliver with an extra 17 years of effects breakthroughs to work with and hopefully a larger budget

[Janjira54]

Sorry to burst your bubble MechaG, but that set photo is from Giant God Warrior Attacks Tokyo, a short directed by Hideaki and Shinji. It's really good, a taste of whats to come next year!

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Janjira54

Sorry to burst your bubble MechaG, but that set photo is from Giant God Warrior Attacks Tokyo, a short directed by Hideaki and Shinji. It's really good, a taste of whats to come next year!

Yeah, I found that out later on. Makes sense, as it would probably have been higher quality if it was for the latest Godzilla movie.

[Himmel]

Godzilla is now the King Of Funco Pops!!!




http://toybox.io9.com/godzilla-is-no...aij-1729383887

[Infernal King]

Just remember... this is Toho we're talking about. Any hope or expectation of something being done right should be dialed back accordingly.

[MechaGodzilla]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

Just remember... this is Toho we're talking about. Any hope or expectation of something being done right should be dialed back accordingly.

You're right, they don't have the greatest track record in the last few decades, but there's always the small chance that they've learned from past mistakes. Also, with the duo of Anno and Higuchi spearheading the project I feel like there's a lot of potential and at least some of that has to shine through even if Toho's meddling keeps it from being fully realized.

But yeah, I'm keeping my expectations in check.

[Lt. Brannigan]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

Just remember... this is Toho we're talking about. Any hope or expectation of something being done right should be dialed back accordingly.

I think most people already know what to expect from a Japanese Godzilla movie.

[Janjira54]

Originally Posted by Infernal King

Just remember... this is Toho we're talking about. Any hope or expectation of something being done right should be dialed back accordingly.

I mean, they're really putting a lot of effort into this movie. 2 years of production, Hideaki Anno and Shinji Higuchi, new hybrid effects. I think we'll get something quite special. Toho knows they have to make this great