Panasonic 4K OLED TV CZ950

[HDTV1080P]

Hopefully OLED display manufactories will not drop the 3-D feature. 4K Ultra HD OLED displays can produce a high quality 3-D 1080P image quality with passive glasses. I will not be buying a new flat panel screen if the 3-D feature is dropped. I will end up going with a high end 4K projector that also handles 3-D.

Also it would be ideal if the OLED flat panels would use multiplies of 48fps for 3-D instead of converting to 3:2 pulldown 60Hz for each eye.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Poya

Sad this can't do 3D.

Who said so? It has passive 3D according to this.

TV PANASONIC CZ950 65 OLED SMART 3D 4K THX - YouTube

Also, see specifications confirming passive (polarized) 3D:

http://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer...-65cz952b.html

This is the direct link to the specs, provided by Panasonic:

http://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer...52b.specs.html

[raygendreau]

Flatpanels comments about Panasonic demo comparing the CZ950 with a plasma display and a Sony OLED monitor at IFA:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...ledhandson_jpg

[HDTV1080P]

Yes the new Panasonic TX-65CZ952B has 1080P 3-D with passive glasses. I was talking about flat panel displays in general. Many new model 4K LCD displays have dropped the 3-D feature. It appears that so far all the OLED displays have 3-D, hopefully that feature will never be removed from new models as displays are made cheaper in price.

[raygendreau]

Slides are good, audio not so much in this technical presentation of the CZ950 at IFA:

https://vimeo.com/138382439

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Yes the new Panasonic TX-65CZ952B has 1080P 3-D with passive glasses.

I responded to POYA's post, not yours.

[vinnie97]

Originally Posted by saprano

Good news. Wasn't interested in buying an LG OLED. Seems my reasons made sense as Panasonic has a better implementation as i thought they would. Curved though so no thanks. I'll continue to wait. Do we know if they're using WOLED or RGB?

Hopefully Sony is next.

Yes, it's WOLED. I don't understand the LG aversion. Maybe I'm just easy to please, but I have no qualms with the motion LG has achieved with their OLED 1st gen. There's a little more natural-looking blur, but nothing is cinematically offensive. Tired of 55" and the illusion of an even smaller screen due to the curve, so the EF9500 is definitely at the top of my consideration list.

Oh, I kept reading further through the thread, and it looks like you were referring to the remarks about WOLED "seeming" to be transmissive. Filters or not, OLED material is ultimately what provides the light source and makes it a bonafide emissive technology...wouldn't have downsized from my ZT60 if that weren't true. The biggest improvement LG can make is uniformity near black, and it seems that Panasonic phas done it and at a price to match the effort (one would assume...still need to see it in the wild, and on a panel that hasn't been handpicked by the manuf. for a display conference). Meanwhile, the EF9500 is shaping up to be a killer (and will be with improved near-black uniformity over the 65EG9600)...if only it came in greater than 65".

Samsung might bring something in 2017 at the earliest, and it will likely be on printed tech and thus introducing a trial size smaller than your current Kuro. If that goes well, maybe 2018 will bring the holy RGB grail? Don't know about you, but I could be dead by then.

[saprano]

Vinnie!

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Yes, it's WOLED. I don't understand the LG aversion. Maybe I'm just easy to please, but I have no qualms with the motion LG has achieved with their OLED 1st gen. There's a little more natural-looking blur, but nothing is cinematically offensive. Tired of 55" and the illusion of an even smaller screen due to the curve, so the EF9500 is definitely at the top of my consideration list.

Well LG is not really known for making reference displays. Some of their products have been good, but nothing another manufacture hasn't done better. It seems the same will apply to their OLED displays. Yes they have an amazing looking picture overall, but still have other problems that stand out. It's not really surprising people are more excited for OLED from a manufacture known for reference displays. (you have one ) And based on what we know Panasonic is putting into it, it's already better than LG's current OLED's.

Oh, I kept reading further through the thread, and it looks like you were referring to the remarks about WOLED "seeming" to be transmissive. Filters or not, OLED material is ultimately what provides the light source and makes it a bonafide emissive technology...wouldn't have downsized from my ZT60 if that weren't true. The biggest improvement LG can make is uniformity near black, and it seems that Panasonic phas done it and at a price to match the effort (one would assume...still need to see it in the wild, and on a panel that hasn't been handpicked by the manuf. for a display conference). Meanwhile, the EF9500 is shaping up to be a killer (and will be with improved near-black uniformity over the 65EG9600)...if only it came in greater than 65".

My main issue is that OLED looks more like LCD. Not really in a bad way. The picture just has this extremely sharp and clear digital look to it. As you know, i prefer the plasma look. A little rougher, organic looking, which to me looks more realistic. I'm guessing that if RGB is used, like plasmas, it will give it those similar characteristics cause of the way RGB works. Even if just a little.

Samsung might bring something in 2017 at the earliest, and it will likely be on printed tech and thus introducing a trial size smaller than your current Kuro. If that goes well, maybe 2018 will bring the holy RGB grail? Don't know about you, but I could be dead by then.

Yeah i understand the issue of waiting. Nobody is getting any younger. You have the money to buy the latest tech now then yeah go buy it. I just want something a little more refined.

[vinnie97]

Well, I suspect your fondness and familiarity with PWM will make it hard to say sayonara to plasma. It would be neat to see an OLED with that type of processing, but I am not aware of anyone working on one. I'm not too confident about Panasonic these days. Their North American market contraction shows they're in a marketing tailspin. At least they are putting their engineers (including those that exited Pioneer) to apparent good use.

LG may not have been a traditional high-end performer in the days of LCD and plasma (they seemed to focus on value), but they've won a couple of shootouts now thanks to being wise enough to purchase those Kodak patents on the sly.

[raygendreau]

A new, informative Q&A interview with Panasonic re the CZ950 and the LG panel, as well as a mention of their prototype UHD BR Player.

http://www.whathifi.com/interview/pa...u-ray-and-more

[Brightstar]

are OLED tv's better then the new samsung SUHD, tvs ??

[schan1269]

Originally Posted by Brightstar

are OLED tv's better then the new samsung SUHD, tvs ??

OLED is emissive.

Emissive is better than passive. LCD is the only passive display. Everything else is emissive...and superior.

[Brightstar]

I hope sony make a 4k OLED TV

[Brightstar]

hears another reveiw

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.ph...&id=1441704549

[DGilberts]

Dolby vision and Sony collaboration for 4K bluray, sounds great?!? And my enthusiasm for 4K has just dwindled again. Another standard to consider whist purchasing. Looks like a few years until the dust settles and there is A standard for 4K.http://www.whathifi.com/news/sony-an...ource=20150914

[Robert Zohn]

I understand and agree one HDR format is best for studios, TV/projector manufacturers and consumers, but we are in a competitive world and hopefully competition will help us get the best end results.

From what I'm told HDR displays will be able to decode the HDR's metadata and map the dynamic range to their capability. Of course, the TV manufacturers may need to update the firmware to decode whatever HDR format is being played, but that should be a math exercise and HDR capable TVs should be able to handle all HDR formats.

Of course, this is in theory and I am cautiously optimistic we'll all be enjoying HDR/WCG and 10bit panel performance on all HDR capable displays we are buying.

-Robert

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I understand and agree one HDR format is best for studios, TV/projector manufacturers and consumers, but we are in a competitive world and hopefully competition will help us get the best end results.

From what I'm told HDR displays will be able to decode the HDR's metadata and map the dynamic range to their capability. Of course, the TV manufacturers may need to update the firmware to decode whatever HDR format is being played, but that should be a math exercise and HDR capable TVs should be able to handle all HDR formats.

Of course, this is in theory and I am cautiously optimistic we'll all be enjoying HDR/WCG and 10bit panel performance on all HDR capable displays we are buying.

-Robert

I'm not, not when not updating the tv could easily be seen as manufacturers as a way to push people to upgrade again once it is all standardized.

[Mr. Joshua]

Flat screen version?

[Robert Zohn]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

I'm not, not when not updating the tv could easily be seen as manufacturers as a way to push people to upgrade again once it is all standardized.

I don't see that happening. If a TV is capable of delivering the required HDR contrast ratio then it's just a matter of decoding the metadata that is embedded with the video signal. No need to buy a new TV, all we need is for the TV manufacturers to decode the metadata for whatever HDR protocol is included with the content.

The HDR vendors (Dolby Vision, Technicolor, Samsung, etc.) can develop all of the standards they want; it all comes down to the TV and or projector's hardware to be capable to deliver the contrast ratio required to display the dynamic range needed to replicate the image properly.

-Robert

Originally Posted by Mr. Joshua

Dang more than LG's... Way overpriced! Competition is supposed to drive prices down...

Let's wait to see (and hope) Panasonic brings this exceptional TV into the US market and what price is will be marked for if it comes to the US market. Their are so many dynamics in delivering TVs in the EU vs. US that I don't think we can speculate what the US price may be.

I'd love to see this TV available here as it has received very strong positive comments from all who have seen it at IFA.

-Robert

[raygendreau]

German test off to a good start. Panasonic actually delivering on its marketing promises:

"HDTV editor Christian Trozinski gives a first insight into the test: "We will discuss in detail in the coming days to all questions asked, now I can, however, assure you that Panasonic has achieved the specially set goal The TX-65CZW954 is actually the ultimate. movie machine. This involves Panasonic not grandstanding, but rather a thoroughly natural image reproduction. Looking at Panasonic's career with the formerly proprietary IPS-Alpha LCD and plasma panels, so it is not surprising that the pre-selected according to the manufacturer OLED -Panels offer the optimal conditions for Panasonic's image processing After the first few hours with the device I can confidently say that Panasonic has arrived with the OLED technology back where one has the manufacturer no longer has long encountered:.. at home "


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