Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers (1995) (Unrated Producer's Cut)

[Blu Myers]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

The first time I ever saw this I hated it, one of the main aspects I hated was the way it was edited, all the strobe light sequences drove me nuts and the stinger sound effect that would be played to make the audience jump was over used. These days I don't know what I was complaining about. It's definitely one of the better films in the series.

I would love this release but it's not available in the UK. Does it contain the theatrical cut as well.

No it does not contain the theatrical cut...just a bare bones release. I think the transfer might be a bit different than the one in the complete collection. It feels softer, but that could be my eyes playing tricks on me. I LOVE the main menu though on the Lionsgate release. I'm so glad I picked this up. Hell, I only paid $3 for it after selling the UV code on here.

[slasherdisc]

Originally Posted by Blu Myers

No it does not contain the theatrical cut...just a bare bones release. I think the transfer might be a bit different than the one in the complete collection. It feels softer, but that could be my eyes playing tricks on me. I LOVE the main menu though on the Lionsgate release. I'm so glad I picked this up. Hell, I only paid $3 for it after selling the UV code on here.

I thought the transfer looked a little different also, maybe even a smidge better.

[jerad]

Originally Posted by visualsynth

I thought the transfer looked a little different also, maybe even a smidge better.

I would love to see someone post screenshots from both transfers just to see for sure!

[jstxanothrxstory]

Originally Posted by dissention

I wish there was a fanedit that combined the best aspects of both cuts (maybe there is, but I haven't found one).

There's the television cut of Curse, that is mainly the theatrical cut with scenes from the producer's cut added in to pad its running time.

[Noel198]

Hello everyone
Can some one please post a picture of the subtitles option screen from the main menu? I'll apreciatte

[omahajon]

I've largely hated Halloween 6. I'm unapologetically a fan of H5, too. I just hated the blandness and the editing. Dull film. Finally seeing H6: PC hereon Blu, it's turned me into a fan actually. Creepier, interesting, even if the middle is still the same.

I liked all that Druid stuff, the weird ending too. Pretty glad that I re-evaluated it.

[Noel198]

Originally Posted by Noel198

Hello everyone
Can some one please post a picture of the subtitles option screen from the main menu? I'll apreciatte

...please!!!

[DarknessBDJM]

Originally Posted by steev210

I love BOTH versions of Halloween 6, but I would say I prefer The Producer's Cut over the theatrical. They both have their pluses, but I consider the P-Cut the superior version. One of those reasons is the soundtrack in the P-Cut uses a lot of Carpenter's themes from the original and I think it works better because of the slow build in suspense and slower pace.

The theatrical cut is a faster paced version (IMO), with some crazy, fast editing and the guitar riff works in this context. Either way, Halloween 6 is my 3rd favorite "Halloween" film, right after Carpenter's original and Halloween II (1981).

Both scores have the piano themes used in the original, though yes the p-cut uses them more. I actually think the p-cut uses them too much, not enough silence in the film; and using the themes too often takes away from the power in the scenes where it is necessary to use them to punctuate the atmosphere and feeling and actions on screen.

To me the p-cut is similar in some ways to the Halloween II extended/tv cut where a lot of the extra bits not intrinsic to the plot and story development cut into the atmosphere and bog things down. I'm also not a fan at all of the Wynn and Thorn centric plot as it is the antithesis of what the original Halloween was about. It's not that I dislike the occult aspects, I like the occult feel of Halloween 6, just the way they were placed into the series in the p-cut and the plot that came with them. The Shape works much better as a lone boogeyman entity; and having Wynn have some control over him and giving him an origin and motive, and peers in the cult, and a weakness to runes was just way too much. It would have worked better as a film not connected to the Halloween series. The theatrical cut cut down on all of those plot elements and the new ending merged well with Tommy's new narration in the opening that evil can't be controlled, with The Shape slaying Wynn and the entire cult at a whim. Of course the t-cut over used the stingers (I think even the original Halloween did) and the flash cuts were used more than necessary, and the exploding head scene was a bit too much (though the p-cut's electro-death scene wasn't any better), but it presented a much more Shape-centric film, and felt more evil (The Shape's slaying of Wynn and the cult, his brutal slaying of Jamie showing that no one is safe and he has no sympathy or emotion) and creepier (had a much better barn scene, played out the creepy/scare moments better), it was also properly color graded and had a proper final sound mix unlike the p-cut.

Everyone will have their own opinions though. I just cannot advocate all the extra motives and plot nonsense that 5 and mainly the p-cut of 6 introduced (5 of course used it as well, just to a lesser degree). Farrands' best bet would have been using retroactive continuity on 5 and eliminating the extra fat introduced in it early into 6, while keeping an occult feel without the overblown occult plot and motivations. The two things a (non-Halloween 3 style) Halloween film should be about are The Shape (the concept as presented in the original Halloween) and Halloween (the holiday/season) itself, when you lose one or the other (the H6 p-cut in case one, H:20 in case two) it just does not work in my opinion.

[Butch Pooch]

So I have the I guess you'd call it "Theatrical version" of Halloween 6 coming my way soon (ordered the Miramax triple pack that also comes with Halloween H2O and Resurrection).

I'm just wondering whether it's worth ordering the "Producers Cut" from Amazon or not?

I'm in Australia so this would set me back something around $24-25 AU dollars, which converts to about $17-18 US dollars.

Is it worth it? Or should I just be satisfied with the "normal" edition?

[elecrofunk]

I saw it at best buy. I noticed it as I was looking for the Bond Steelbooks

[steev210]

Originally Posted by DarknessBDJM

Both scores have the piano themes used in the original, though yes the p-cut uses them more. I actually think the p-cut uses them too much, not enough silence in the film; and using the themes too often takes away from the power in the scenes where it is necessary to use them to punctuate the atmosphere and feeling and actions on screen.

To me the p-cut is similar in some ways to the Halloween II extended/tv cut where a lot of the extra bits not intrinsic to the plot and story development cut into the atmosphere and bog things down. I'm also not a fan at all of the Wynn and Thorn centric plot as it is the antithesis of what the original Halloween was about. It's not that I dislike the occult aspects, I like the occult feel of Halloween 6, just the way they were placed into the series in the p-cut and the plot that came with them. The Shape works much better as a lone boogeyman entity; and having Wynn have some control over him and giving him an origin and motive, and peers in the cult, and a weakness to runes was just way too much. It would have worked better as a film not connected to the Halloween series. The theatrical cut cut down on all of those plot elements and the new ending merged well with Tommy's new narration in the opening that evil can't be controlled, with The Shape slaying Wynn and the entire cult at a whim. Of course the t-cut over used the stingers (I think even the original Halloween did) and the flash cuts were used more than necessary, and the exploding head scene was a bit too much (though the p-cut's electro-death scene wasn't any better), but it presented a much more Shape-centric film, and felt more evil (The Shape's slaying of Wynn and the cult, his brutal slaying of Jamie showing that no one is safe and he has no sympathy or emotion) and creepier (had a much better barn scene, played out the creepy/scare moments better), it was also properly color graded and had a proper final sound mix unlike the p-cut.

Everyone will have their own opinions though. I just cannot advocate all the extra motives and plot nonsense that 5 and mainly the p-cut of 6 introduced (5 of course used it as well, just to a lesser degree). Farrands' best bet would have been using retroactive continuity on 5 and eliminating the extra fat introduced in it early into 6, while keeping an occult feel without the overblown occult plot and motivations. The two things a (non-Halloween 3 style) Halloween film should be about are The Shape (the concept as presented in the original Halloween) and Halloween (the holiday/season) itself, when you lose one or the other (the H6 p-cut in case one, H:20 in case two) it just does not work in my opinion.

All excellent points. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree as the P Cut is the superior version (IMHO) and I liked the Curse of Thorn and cult elements. One point of interest is when the P Cut was released last year Daniel Farrands had gone on record saying the P Cut has the proper color timing, and that the theatrical doesn't stating it was over processed in post production.

[halloween5309]

Originally Posted by Butch Pooch

So I have the I guess you'd call it "Theatrical version" of Halloween 6 coming my way soon (ordered the Miramax triple pack that also comes with Halloween H2O and Resurrection).

I'm just wondering whether it's worth ordering the "Producers Cut" from Amazon or not?

I'm in Australia so this would set me back something around $24-25 AU dollars, which converts to about $17-18 US dollars.

Is it worth it? Or should I just be satisfied with the "normal" edition?

i think the producers cut is worth it, it's like watching a different storyline

[BladeRunner2007]

My copy finally arrived, time to pop the disc in

[JL13]

Mine came today too I was starting to think this thing didn't exist I looked everywhere and Amazon takes a week to deliver Looks great tho

[BladeRunner2007]

Halloween: The Curse of Michael Myers (Producer's Cut)

3.5/5

Just finished watching the Producer's Cut. It's a completely different movie. And it's much better than the theatrical cut. Imo in almost every way. Finally, the damn movie makes sense! The movie also works really well because of its atmosphere. Thank god, it's lacking the over the top gore from the theatrical cut. The visuals are great, and the filmmakers really captured the feel of Halloween night. The legendary music is used to much greater effect and the timing is much better, too. The pacing is quite slow, but that only helps to build the suspense. I liked that a lot. The many refrences to the orginal movie worked great. And Michael Myers is finally The Shape again, and not some over the top brutal butcher. The only downside is the ending. Why? Only because it's so anticlimactic. It lacks real impact and tension. But that is only a minor complaint, because the movie handles the rest so well. Even the Thorn theme works quite well in this version. The Producer's Cut makes this 6th installment a real highlight in the franchise.

[DarknessBDJM]

Not sure if anyone else has done it, but I did some screen cap comparisons. They aren't frame step accurate, but they are close.

Scream Factory first, Lionsgate second on all of these.

[Show spoiler]

The Scream Factory version is a bit darker, some smaller details seem a little fudged in parts, kind of obscured or changed, some may be to a darker encode, some to not being frame accurate, maybe some to filter pass errors. The Lionsgate version has a lower bit rate, but they look pretty similar in motion though, so that's a plus for them both I guess

Hope this helps.

[Nosferatu31]

Originally Posted by DarknessBDJM

Not sure if anyone else has done it, but I did some screen cap comparisons. They aren't frame step accurate, but they are close.

Scream Factory first, Lionsgate second on all of these.

[Show spoiler]

The Scream Factory version is a bit darker, some smaller details seem a little fudged in parts, kind of obscured or changed, some may be to a darker encode, some to not being frame accurate, maybe some to filter pass errors. The Lionsgate version has a lower bit rate, but they look pretty similar in motion though, so that's a plus for them both I guess

Hope this helps.

I do see a slight difference but not enough to say one is better then the other unless one prefers special features then Shout wins.

[Lyle_JP]

Scream clearly decided to color correct the scan darker than Lionsgate did. And, dare I say it, I think Scream made the right decision. The darker contrast bring out much better colors, which look a bit washed out on the Lionsgate.

Still, for under $10, You really can't complain about the Lionsgate release too much.

[steev210]

Thanks for posting these screen caps. I agree that Scream Factory's transfer looks slightly better. A tad darker and the colors are a bit more robust. I didn't see Lionsgate's transfer in motion but I'm sure it's more than pleasing and fans will be quite happy with it.

[BladeRunner2007]

The Lionsgate transfer looks great in motion. But I agree, after having seen the Scream Screenshots, I prefer the darker look. But yeah, you can't go wrong with the Lionsgate disc, since the transfer is very solid and it doesn't cost much at all.

Edit: only complaint: it's a bit too bright in one scene. The first time Danny sees the man in black standing in his room, you can easily see that it's

[Show spoiler]Wynn

, even though his face should be totally covered in darkness.