Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust coming to Blu-ray in 2015 from Discotek - Page 13 - Blu-ray Forum

DasRetroKid · 09-14-2015, 02:20 PM

I can live with the English dialogue (as much as left hands voice grates on me). What I can't deal with is boosted contrast to the point that image detail is lost.

Sucks because I'm a huge VHD fan. I'll be tracking down the JP DVD now.

IdeaOfEvil · 09-15-2015, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Girls With Guns

Lol, I guess they want to buy their anime series Blu-rays out of the $7.99 bargain bins in the aisles at Best Buy or Walmart...

So, the DVD release at RS is listed as including the Japanese audio and English subs - is that correct, or just a misprint? IF it's correct, then in this case I'd be much more inclined to buy the DVD over the Blu-ray.

AFAIK, there has been no official release of Bloodlust with the Japense dub that includes English subs. Either Rightstuf is confusing the original VHD release info, or they're selling a bootleg, OR they're just idiots, lol

Also, am I talking to you over at animenation about a Yamato 2199 box? lol, you're using the same posting icon

Girls With Guns · 09-15-2015, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by IdeaOfEvil

AFAIK, there has been no official release of Bloodlust with the Japense dub that includes English subs. Either Rightstuf is confusing the original VHD release info, or they're selling a bootleg, OR they're just idiots, lol

Also, am I talking to you over at animenation about a Yamato 2199 box? lol, you're using the same posting icon

OK, I was wondering, thought that was a misprint...

and yes, I guess you are... Draven?

IdeaOfEvil · 09-15-2015, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Girls With Guns

OK, I was wondering, thought that was a misprint...

and yes, I guess you are... Draven?

Nick just sent the templates, so I'll start working on them tonight

Girls With Guns · 09-15-2015, 03:39 AM

Good Luck! Make it real purdy!

vincentric · 09-15-2015, 08:43 AM

Checked out the movie, have got some technical specs, screenshots and quick thoughts to share.

It has been a long time since I've seen this (over a decade), I don't have access to the DVD any longer nor do I remember how the DVD looks like for comparison's sake. The BD transfer doesn't look bad, a bit soft at times but am not sure if that's inherent to the source or a problem with the encode. Banding and compression blocking aren't major issues though I would have liked to have seen them use a BD50 for a higher bitrate to try and get the most out of it.

They are using a BD25 disc. The movie uses 21.1 GB of data (18.8 for the video, 2.3 GB for the audio), the extras and trailers use up around 2 GB.

wesslan · 09-15-2015, 08:46 AM

Would be interesting to see hdtv version added to the comparisons also.

vincentric · 09-23-2015, 04:08 AM

Bubblegum2032 · 09-23-2015, 05:01 AM

I won't be going anywhere near the Discotek disc until I see what the nippon-side of things do. There's every possibility a Japanese release won't be as severely flawed, plus it may very well contain both JPN & Eng audio, potentially rendering all other versions obsolete. Will wait it out and see I guess.

BigOnAnime · 09-23-2015, 06:28 AM

Unfortunately this will be the best result. Kentai went on this before. I also asked Justin about it since he authored the disc, there wasn't much he could do fix things.

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For what it's worth, I've seen the caps of VAMPIRE HUNTER D: BLOOSLUST and I'm convinced this - much like GHOST IN THE SHELL and THE END OF EVANGELION - is very much a victim of its own original production methods. Soft, weak contrast and grainy as shit? Sounds like a 90 minute AVID to 35mm-out project to me! Justin Sevakis has noted that he actually tried to done down some of the washed-out and grubby look, which means the only way this film would look dramatically better is if someone gave it a proper shot-by-shot color grading, which it's clear the Japanese side wasn't willing to do. To be frank, I can hardly blame Discotek for not hiring some crazy ******* to fix a disc that was already knee-capped by not being allowed to include the Japanese audio. This ****ing movie will never catch a break.

http://www.kentaiblog.com/2015/08/va...pressions.html

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Yep. I've mentioned it before but the master was a hot mess. Tried to reduce the contrast but not a whole lot else I could do.

https://twitter.com/worldofcrap/stat...32052949856256

Zen_Amako · 09-23-2015, 09:07 PM

I've seen a lot of hand painted production cels from this in person and they are beautiful, oversized and amazingly detailed. Although it obviously has a fair amount of CG, a lot of this movie was produced the old fashioned way with hand painted cels. Hopefully someone just needs to be willing to spend the money on a new master.

It wouldn't be the first time that a foreign licensor was provided a substandard master only to have a 4k remastered version come out in Japan some time later.

DasRetroKid · 09-23-2015, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zen_Amako

It wouldn't be the first time that a foreign licensee was provided a substandard master only to have a 4k remastered version come out in Japan some time later.

Let's hope you are right.

Kriztoffer Swank · 09-23-2015, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zen_Amako

I've seen a lot of hand painted production cels from this in person and they are beautiful, oversized and amazingly detailed. Although it obviously has a fair amount of CG, a lot of this movie was produced the old fashioned way with hand painted cels. Hopefully someone just needs to be willing to spend the money on a new master.

Wouldn't it depend on how the film was edited? I'm no expert but perhaps they used a method of editing that has gimped this movie for good. Sort of like how Farscape was shot on 35mm but post-processed and edited in PAL format.

ArgyBargy · 09-26-2015, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Zen_Amako

I've seen a lot of hand painted production cels from this in person and they are beautiful, oversized and amazingly detailed. Although it obviously has a fair amount of CG, a lot of this movie was produced the old fashioned way with hand painted cels. Hopefully someone just needs to be willing to spend the money on a new master.

It wouldn't be the first time that a foreign licensor was provided a substandard master only to have a 4k remastered version come out in Japan some time later.

If you have a source that it has CGI I'm willing to read it, however as I've understood it since it's release, it was ALL hand painted, and very unusual for anime it was done at 24 frames per second, when it's usually 8.

It was made in 1999, CGI use, especially for animation was not very common.

09-28-2015, 06:50 AM

This was a great movie.... I really miss the days of hand painted animation. Even when it was supplemented with CGI background shots, hand drawn stuff is real blood, sweat and tears artwork.

Zen_Amako · 09-28-2015, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ArgyBargy

If you have a source that it has CGI I'm willing to read it, however as I've understood it since it's release, it was ALL hand painted, and very unusual for anime it was done at 24 frames per second, when it's usually 8.

It was made in 1999, CGI use, especially for animation was not very common.

I don't have proof, but some shots look to me like they are CG (for example, the first person POV shot of the "camera" zooming through the graveyard). Anime at the time was making limited use of CG (it was limited because it was expensive). For example, Macross Plus (1994), Escaflowne (1996), Princess Mononoke (1997) and Adolescence of Utena (1999) all used some CG. I was always under the impression that VHD: Bloodlust was mostly hand painted cel animation with a few CG cuts for shots that would be difficult to animate the traditional way.

redrum666 · 06-30-2016, 07:25 PM

Vampire Hunter D: Message from Mars comic book adaptation

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...sage-from-mars

redrum666 · 07-08-2016, 12:49 PM

the kickstarter has reached its goal and they have added new stretch goals with 31days left

IdeaOfEvil · 07-08-2016, 10:28 PM

I'm all for seeing anything/everything VHD being released. But this kickstarter's offerings leave a lot to be desired. I mean, VHD is an adult franchise and they're offering temporary tattoos and buttons as incentives?? Jewelry pieces as higher incentives?? The art prints are cool, but more larger sized posters would have been a lot better. Getting Kikuchi's signature would have been awesome! And even seeing incentives that would have made the comic more collectible would have been better (official sticker sealing the comic shut in a plastic bag, or offering an exclusive certificate of authenticity). Instead, we get disposable nick-knacks that even a tween wouldn't really want...

Oh well...

redrum666 · 08-07-2016, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by redrum666

Vampire Hunter D: Message from Mars comic book adaptation

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...sage-from-mars

38 hours left and I little over $5,000 more needed to the next stretch goal a printed copy of the pathfinder supplement RPG book

09-23-2015, 09:07 PM	#251
Zen_Amako Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Northern VA, USA 4K collection:257 Blu-ray collection:664 Blu-ray reviews: 3 Trading Score:13	I've seen a lot of hand painted production cels from this in person and they are beautiful, oversized and amazingly detailed. Although it obviously has a fair amount of CG, a lot of this movie was produced the old fashioned way with hand painted cels. Hopefully someone just needs to be willing to spend the money on a new master. It wouldn't be the first time that a foreign licensor was provided a substandard master only to have a 4k remastered version come out in Japan some time later. Last edited by Zen_Amako; 09-23-2015 at 09:25 PM.

09-14-2015, 02:20 PM	#241
DasRetroKid Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Region Free 4K collection:128 Blu-ray collection:701 DVD collection:73 Trading Score:2	I can live with the English dialogue (as much as left hands voice grates on me). What I can't deal with is boosted contrast to the point that image detail is lost. Sucks because I'm a huge VHD fan. I'll be tracking down the JP DVD now.

09-15-2015, 03:39 AM	#245
Girls With Guns Blu-ray Baron Member since:May 2014 Location:Amish Farm Country, PA Home Theater Gallery:32 Blu-ray collection:469 DVD collection:146 Trading Score:26	Good Luck! Make it real purdy!

09-15-2015, 08:43 AM	#246
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	Checked out the movie, have got some technical specs, screenshots and quick thoughts to share. It has been a long time since I've seen this (over a decade), I don't have access to the DVD any longer nor do I remember how the DVD looks like for comparison's sake. The BD transfer doesn't look bad, a bit soft at times but am not sure if that's inherent to the source or a problem with the encode. Banding and compression blocking aren't major issues though I would have liked to have seen them use a BD50 for a higher bitrate to try and get the most out of it. They are using a BD25 disc. The movie uses 21.1 GB of data (18.8 for the video, 2.3 GB for the audio), the extras and trailers use up around 2 GB. I'm going to try and borrow the DVD from a co-worker for some possible comparison shots. For now here are screencaps of the Blu-ray: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/758/2...c1142b9e_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5765/...73cd412f_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5639/...32fa9c68_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5667/...73ce633a_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5707/...fa62f609_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5808/...a56670f8_o.png https://farm1.staticflickr.com/635/2...4ec8cdcc_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5653/...47a577bf_o.png https://farm1.staticflickr.com/755/2...ec7f42e3_o.png https://farm1.staticflickr.com/723/2...ce4a17ef_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5776/...d6326564_o.png https://farm1.staticflickr.com/574/2...78493259_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5679/...5a4e4c02_o.png https://farm1.staticflickr.com/762/2...e236a367_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5766/...fb4c6e7d_o.png https://farm1.staticflickr.com/585/2...9cdc2edd_o.png https://farm1.staticflickr.com/579/2...65d9273b_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5651/...af678959_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5727/...e94d9286_o.png https://farm1.staticflickr.com/598/2...4544a901_o.png https://farm1.staticflickr.com/632/2...471f7a18_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5774/...22836a3f_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5755/...1893f92e_o.png https://farm1.staticflickr.com/580/2...bd293e19_o.png https://farm1.staticflickr.com/688/2...f3684eda_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5740/...424e16e2_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5671/...f24ba9b0_o.png https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5707/...3bd9f01d_o.png

09-15-2015, 08:46 AM	#247
wesslan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2010 Location:Sweden Blu-ray reviews:1	Would be interesting to see hdtv version added to the comparisons also.

09-23-2015, 04:08 AM	#248
vincentric Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Feb 2013 Location:Bay Area, CA 4K collection:321 Blu-ray collection:1003 Trading Score:266	Got my hands on the Urban Vision DVD. I matched each of my Discotek BD caps with comparisons of my own from the DVD with very interesting results. The DVD is slightly windowboxed whereas the BD is not but a little bit of the BD picture is cropped horizontally as a result. It's overall negligible. The BD has cleaner line detail and improved picture clarity over the DVD. Best of all, compression is greatly reduced if not eliminated altogether allowing the film grain to look very fine and natural. See comparison's 10 and 25 for best look at compression elimination. But here's where things get interesting. The BD should be the clear winner but it's not. The DVD contains better contrast. The BD looses shadow and color detail in both dark and bright areas of its picture. Best example of loss in white detail can be seen in comparison 14 - the lamps on the stagecoach. Best example of black crush are apparent in many of the screenshots, but the clearest one is seen in the last (28th) comparison - there are shades of red clearly visible in the DVD that are crushed away in the BD. https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5715/2...385b6f1d_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5700/2...7f4f0aac_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5768/2...3b0c145e_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5754/2...a2caf16c_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5780/2...94a45988_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/595/21...f2d406b9_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/680/21...54ef8bb6_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/611/21...f102bb4e_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/735/21...5972821e_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/626/21...12ba3479_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/713/21...c1905f54_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/673/21...369e5ce5_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5714/2...537c101c_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5822/2...50f5ff9a_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/578/21...8a3ffe0b_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/753/21...f9b75e38_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5645/2...e2d97e52_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/743/21...9d04418f_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5808/2...2727ae15_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/574/21...3506afb0_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5684/2...3bd17a8f_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5829/2...0840a80a_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5829/2...10268f05_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/609/21...2ac3d841_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5617/2...d7767bcf_o.png https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/642/21...b9151090_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5822/2...4148d09c_o.png https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5766/2...d294011d_o.png

09-23-2015, 05:01 AM	#249
Bubblegum2032 Active Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2012 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	I won't be going anywhere near the Discotek disc until I see what the nippon-side of things do. There's every possibility a Japanese release won't be as severely flawed, plus it may very well contain both JPN & Eng audio, potentially rendering all other versions obsolete. Will wait it out and see I guess.

09-28-2015, 06:50 AM	#255
IMJ Guest	This was a great movie.... I really miss the days of hand painted animation. Even when it was supplemented with CGI background shots, hand drawn stuff is real blood, sweat and tears artwork.

06-30-2016, 07:25 PM	#257
redrum666 Special Member Member since:Aug 2011 Blu-ray collection:25 Trading Score:42	Vampire Hunter D: Message from Mars comic book adaptation https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...sage-from-mars

07-08-2016, 12:49 PM	#258
redrum666 Special Member Member since:Aug 2011 Blu-ray collection:25 Trading Score:42	the kickstarter has reached its goal and they have added new stretch goals with 31days left

07-08-2016, 10:28 PM	#259
IdeaOfEvil Blu-ray Guru Member since:Nov 2010 Location:SF/Berkeley 4K collection:228 Blu-ray collection:1826 DVD collection:924 Trading Score:100	I'm all for seeing anything/everything VHD being released. But this kickstarter's offerings leave a lot to be desired. I mean, VHD is an adult franchise and they're offering temporary tattoos and buttons as incentives?? Jewelry pieces as higher incentives?? The art prints are cool, but more larger sized posters would have been a lot better. Getting Kikuchi's signature would have been awesome! And even seeing incentives that would have made the comic more collectible would have been better (official sticker sealing the comic shut in a plastic bag, or offering an exclusive certificate of authenticity). Instead, we get disposable nick-knacks that even a tween wouldn't really want... Oh well...

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