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Canada · 09-18-2008, 12:48 AM

To me DTS MA 6.1 track on Top Gun sounds supirior to the True HD 5.1, note I only have a 5.1 system.

crackinhedz · 09-18-2008, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Canada

To me DTS MA 6.1 track on Top Gun sounds supirior to the True HD 5.1, note I only have a 5.1 system.

Canada, what bluray player/receiver do you have?

PeterTHX · 09-18-2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Canada

To me DTS MA 6.1 track on Top Gun sounds supirior to the True HD 5.1, note I only have a 5.1 system.

Well, it's a completely different remix.

The TrueHD mix the original 70MM 5.1 mix from 1986.

Canada · 09-18-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

Canada, what bluray player/receiver do you have?

I have a PS3 and a Pioneer Elite Receiver (7.1) but I only have 5.1 speakers hooked to it I don't have a 6th speaker hooked to the receiver. I have my PS3 settings set to HDMI Linear PCM 5.1, if I get more speakers I will definatly set the speaker set up to HDMI Linear PCM 7.1

crackinhedz · 09-18-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Canada

I have a PS3 and a Pioneer Elite Receiver (7.1)

what is your DRC set to?

ALLIANCE68 · 09-18-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Canada

I have a PS3 and a Pioneer Elite Receiver (7.1) but I only have 5.1 speakers hooked to it I don't have a 6th speaker hooked to the receiver. I have my PS3 settings set to HDMI Linear PCM 5.1, if I get more speakers I will definatly set the speaker set up to HDMI Linear PCM 7.1

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

what is your DRC set to?

Canada. I have the same setup, but with six speakers. You want to make sure your DRC is turned off on both the PS3 and the Receiver.

ALLIANCE68 · 09-18-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Canada

I have a PS3 and a Pioneer Elite Receiver (7.1) but I only have 5.1 speakers hooked to it I don't have a 6th speaker hooked to the receiver. I have my PS3 settings set to HDMI Linear PCM 5.1, if I get more speakers I will definatly set the speaker set up to HDMI Linear PCM 7.1

I have the same setup. Turn off your DRC on the receiver, you have to use the remote to do it. Turn off the DRC in the PS3 under a/v settings.

hagar852 · 09-18-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Canada

To me DTS MA 6.1 track on Top Gun sounds supirior to the True HD 5.1, note I only have a 5.1 system.

I agree also.. I have a 7.1 system and I thought the DTS sounded way better with the surround speakers being more active.

ALLIANCE68 · 09-18-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jinzo1975

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=63221&page=9

Read above link. for anybody who thinks TRUHD is flat.

dobyblue · 09-18-2008, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Finally, for those who think DTS-MA is "all that" obviously haven't listened to titles like RoboCop, Hoosiers, The Fly etc. Put those up against titles like Cloverfield, Batman Begins, The Perfect Storm, or Beowulf and tell me again TrueHD sounds "flat".

You're right, I can't believe all those new movies sound better than those old ones.

Woody · 09-18-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ALLIANCE68

Read above link. for anybody who thinks TRUHD is flat.

I just read a couple posts in that thread and found this quote:

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Dynamic Range Control is the same thing as Dialog Normalization. Think of it as EE and/or DNR but for audio.

Freakin classic!

MarekM · 09-18-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

You're right, I can't believe all those new movies sound better than those old ones.

+ 1

I was just about to write it...

Marek

PeterTHX · 09-18-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Woody

Freakin classic!

Classic as in incorrect?

You can turn off DRC.

You can't turn off EE.

PeterTHX · 09-18-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MarekM

+ 1

I was just about to write it...

Marek

I was referring to the fact that some people think that just having DTS-MA is going to make it some magical experience that it wouldn't be if it was in TrueHD or PCM instead. It's the mix!

And (again) Top Gun's DTS track is a REMIX. Not the original track like the TrueHD is.. The comparison is invalid!

blitz6speed · 09-18-2008, 11:21 PM

TrueHD having Dialnorm on as default is invalid.

mrhonda2 · 09-18-2008, 11:36 PM

fffffflllllllaaaaaaattttttt!!!!! DRC off, wow impressive....at how you people are in denial. I've had a few bad sounding DTS movies but overall still "CLEARLY" better. Maybe someday a movie will sound as good since they are identical on paper.

Driver_King · 09-18-2008, 11:43 PM

When DRC is off, I notice a pretty big difference. Have you tried comparing it on and off? I thought True HD was a tad restrained but to me DRC off makes a big difference.

prerich · 09-19-2008, 01:04 AM

I've always turned DRC off

To me the best TrueHD track out there is the Water Horse. They did that one right!!!!

crackinhedz · 09-19-2008, 01:09 AM

DRC for the PS3 applies to Dolby audio that is output in LPCM.

DRC basically levels the audio frequencies, so if you want to watch a movie late at night, the bass won't keep the neighbors up and you can hear the dialogue at lower volume levels. This is probably the reason why some people think TrueHD sounds "flat".

If your PS3 DRC is set to "automatic" or "on"...(LPCM) TrueHD will sound flat.

Turn it OFF.

BStecke · 09-19-2008, 01:12 AM

I just watched the famous Ironhide scene in Transformers, along with a couple other scenes after tweaking my speaker settings a bit. Doesn't sound flat at all.

I suppose that's just the denial though.

Did we ever get a report as to what the OP's "reference-level" system actually consists of?

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09-18-2008, 12:48 AM	#21
Canada Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Victoria, BC Home Theater Gallery:17 4K collection:306 Blu-ray collection:1204 DVD collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:42	To me DTS MA 6.1 track on Top Gun sounds supirior to the True HD 5.1, note I only have a 5.1 system.

09-18-2008, 11:21 PM	#35
blitz6speed Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2006 Location:Anaheim Hills, CA Trading Score:8	TrueHD having Dialnorm on as default is invalid.

09-18-2008, 11:36 PM	#36
mrhonda2 Member Member since:May 2008	fffffflllllllaaaaaaattttttt!!!!! DRC off, wow impressive....at how you people are in denial. I've had a few bad sounding DTS movies but overall still "CLEARLY" better. Maybe someday a movie will sound as good since they are identical on paper.

09-18-2008, 11:43 PM	#37
Driver_King Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Tampa Bay, Florida Home Theater Gallery:96 Blu-ray collection:28 Trading Score:10	When DRC is off, I notice a pretty big difference. Have you tried comparing it on and off? I thought True HD was a tad restrained but to me DRC off makes a big difference.

09-19-2008, 01:04 AM	#38
prerich Moderator Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Home Theater Gallery:50 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:2	I've always turned DRC off To me the best TrueHD track out there is the Water Horse. They did that one right!!!!

09-19-2008, 01:09 AM	#39
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	DRC for the PS3 applies to Dolby audio that is output in LPCM. DRC basically levels the audio frequencies, so if you want to watch a movie late at night, the bass won't keep the neighbors up and you can hear the dialogue at lower volume levels. This is probably the reason why some people think TrueHD sounds "flat". If your PS3 DRC is set to "automatic" or "on"...(LPCM) TrueHD will sound flat. Turn it OFF.

09-19-2008, 01:12 AM	#40
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	I just watched the famous Ironhide scene in Transformers, along with a couple other scenes after tweaking my speaker settings a bit. Doesn't sound flat at all. I suppose that's just the denial though. Did we ever get a report as to what the OP's "reference-level" system actually consists of?

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