Black Snake Moan PQ not that good? Because it's not "fullscreen"

[u_nick]

Originally Posted by terren2000

But hes saying, with all the money we've spent, if its truly like the theaters, then it should be shown like the Theater.

why is it that with all the technology we cant get widescreen without the Black bars.

What he says makes since.

With all the money on equipment, we should hav ewidesceen without bars, and no loss of quality.

are you just joking around being sarcastic? or was all that meant to be serious?

[BStecke]

This discussion is a lost cause.

[zombieking]

SO the PQ isn't as good because of the black bars, huh? Do you say the same thing about POTC 1 & 2? Cuz if you do you don't deserve your blu ray player. Give it to someone who appreciates quality and does't give a shit about black bars, as any movie lover rightfully should.

[terren2000]

Originally Posted by darkpoet25

Why would you want something in Full Screen? They lop off a 1/3 of the picture when they do this and the camera pans back and forth. I'd rather watch the film in the aspect the director shot it in. The black bars aren't really all that annoying.

Youre right about that. Thats why many of us dont mind the Black-bars, i love them.

But at the same time, we should be at a point where 1/3 of the picture was not cut off even without the black bars. reason I understnad this, is because several people say that when they come over to watch movies.

They'd say, "I thought you no longer needed the black bars with a widescreen tv?"

The main argument b4 wide-screen tv's, were that the Black bars was because of the box television set. I think the topic starter is wondering why is it that he no longer has a box set, and still gets the black bars.

many were under the impression that the widescreen tv would eliminate the black bars. Since the tv was no longer 4:3 ratio. this was the argument given for the black bars.

[terren2000]

Originally Posted by u_nick

are you just joking around being sarcastic? or was all that meant to be serious?

serious. it makes sense.

Ive heard what the topic starter has said on several occasions.

Granted Im find with the black-bars, but at the same time, it shouldnt be needed.

I know all the technical mumbo jumbo, but that is with anything. I remember the tehcnical mumbo jumbo about the impossibility of a computer smaller than a room, going to the moon, yadda yadda ya.

It can be done, despite what ever limits you bring up. And it should be here as we speak.

[DrinkMore]

Wow, another one


I have to say I agree with the people not wanting black bars. Granted, I don't mind at this point either way, but I agree that it does suck. All the money spent on your TV and its size, yet the image does not completely fill it. Such a drag. They should make it Anamorphic or something.

Again, I don't care anymore - but I do in some small way I beleive both parties have valid points.

[4K display]

Originally Posted by zildjianplaya2000

For everyone who said the PQ was so great, i really don't think it is. Is it just me? and is anyone else kind of sick of having widescreen movies instead of full screen?

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[Steeb]

This thread makes me weep for the future.

1. If you want to be taken seriously, don't end words with the letter "z" just for the hell of it.
2. This whole discussion is retarded and pathetic imo. Different movies are filmed in different aspect ratios. That's the way it is, that's the way it was, that's the way it always will be. It's not a "flaw" in the technology.
3. The only way to avoid the "black bars" that some of you seem to hate so much is to do what the theaters do - set up a projector at ~2.35:1 and use curtains to mask the "bars" on the side. Or you could always use the zoom function on your TV/player and degrade the picture to a certain degree. Either way, deal with it. It is what it is and it's not going to change. You should be watching the movie, not the black area above and below it.

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by Steeb

This thread makes me weep for the future.

1. If you want to be taken seriously, don't end words with the letter "z" just for the hell of it.
2. This whole discussion is retarded and pathetic imo. Different movies are filmed in different aspect ratios. That's the way it is, that's the way it was, that's the way it always will be. It's not a "flaw" in the technology.
3. The only way to avoid the "black bars" that some of you seem to hate so much is to do what the theaters do - set up a projector at ~2.35:1 and use curtains to mask the "bars" on the side. Or you could always use the zoom function on your TV/player and degrade the picture to a certain degree. Either way, deal with it. It is what it is and it's not going to change. You should be watching the movie, not the black area above and below it.

What he said

[blujacket]

If Blu-ray fails it's because of these morons wanting FOOLSCREEN. I don't hear the dark side *****ing about black bars.

[CJ P]

Interesting point. I wonder if due to the PS3 factor you could argue that overall, Blu-Ray has a less sophisticated (no insult intended) or perhaps less knowledgeable install base. Certainly there are going to be a lot of teenagers and college kids with PS3s who might not have the money to drop that same kind of money on a dedicated movie player. I don't know. No one on the forum I run *****es about black bars because we are an OAR only forum. You get one free explanation of why black bars exist and why places like HBO who crop movies to 16:9 are just as bad as Pan&Scan DVDs. After that you're going to get run out of town on a rail.

[DrinkMore]

Originally Posted by blujacket

If Blu-ray fails it's because of these morons wanting FOOLSCREEN. I don't hear the dark side *****ing about black bars.

Put a cork in it dude. No need to be an ass.

[blujacket]

Originally Posted by DrinkMore

Put a cork in it dude. No need to be an ass.

Truth hurts. Grow some thicker skin

[doctorsteve]

now, now kiddies. Everybody can have a turn on the Stupid slide, no need to push.

Aren't there TV controls that allow you to view things all nice and stretched and distorted just so you don't have the "nuisance" of "black bars".

Really now, if you want to distort what you're viewing, just so your square TV is full, be my guest. However, when I see people that leave their pictures all stretched out and warped, I can't help but wonder if their entire world appears about a foot taller and 80 lbs. skinnier than what it should be. How can this possibly look normal???

I guess once all TV's have the familiar letterbox shape, then "letterboxing" won't be an issue (or even a word) anymore. Until then...

[Eve6insideandout]

Fullscreen, I thought that died with the dinosaurs. Personally I would want to get rid of fullscreen so I don't ever pick up one acidentally and then have to return it. Only one more reason to love blu-ray!

[zildjianplaya2000]

wow ok this is getting kind of crazy. my original post was not about the widescreen and black bars being part of bad PQ!! im just saying that the movies PQ in general isnt all that amazing. I just added in instead of making another thread, that I'm not a big fan of having black bars on my screen, I like seeing it in the full screen like apocalypto! This had nothing to do with black bars being a cause for bad PQ

[zildjianplaya2000]

and where the hell did "because its not"fullscren" come from in my title i never put that what the hell?

[tvted]

Originally Posted by terren2000

i think I see what hes saying.

I like widescreen.

But hes saying, with all the money we've spent, if its truly like the theaters, then it should be shown like the Theater.

why is it that with all the technology we cant get widescreen without the Black bars.

Theatres work in a variety of ways that can vary from Constant Height to Constant Width or variations on these extremes . All properly implemented setups will involve variable masking of some sort. In a Constant Height setup the only varialbe of the aspect ratio that changes is the width. This can be accomplished via zooming or the usage of an anamorphic lens. The usage of the lens is the more elegant solution for a variety of reasons but does require that the image is stretched vertically so that the lens coreects the resulting distortion by streching the image horisontally. In the digital front projector world the image is electronically stretched vertically ~33% and the lens is utilized to stretch horizontally ~33% to restore the correct geometry. So yes, as member Steeb mentioned it is possible in the world of 2008 - about 50 years ago as a matter of fact.

Untill we see Fixed Panel devices with a 2.35 ratio you will get black bars top and bottom for "scope" films. Even then I'm sure people will complain of the bars on the side with source that is shot with a smaller aspect ratio (1.78 or 1.33 for example)

Not so difficult really once the concept is grasped - I don't see black bars with my setup for SD (no scaler for 1080 yet, but that will come - until then zoooming the pj is sort of acceptable)

Originally Posted by terren2000

that hard to understand?

Here are some links, so I hope so.

http://www.prismasonic.com/english/intro.shtml
http://www.panamorph.com/
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...hic/index.html

ted

[Micker]

I am wrong because I want a bigger picture and don't mind missing a little bit of the frames edge?? I mean we lived with pan&scan 1.33 for decades, I think that we can live with 1.78. Some movies I don't mind watching in 2.x+, but some movies, there is just no need for it, the frames edge has no useful information in it.

The bigger the picture on my screen, the more movie theater like the movie becomes, which is much more important to me then seeing some extra side detail. I hope the movie studios realize that home movie sales are just as important as theater and start shooting their movies with that in mind.

[Coltboy]

Originally Posted by Steeb

This thread makes me weep for the future.

1. If you want to be taken seriously, don't end words with the letter "z" just for the hell of it.
2. This whole discussion is retarded and pathetic imo. Different movies are filmed in different aspect ratios. That's the way it is, that's the way it was, that's the way it always will be. It's not a "flaw" in the technology.
3. The only way to avoid the "black bars" that some of you seem to hate so much is to do what the theaters do - set up a projector at ~2.35:1 and use curtains to mask the "bars" on the side. Or you could always use the zoom function on your TV/player and degrade the picture to a certain degree. Either way, deal with it. It is what it is and it's not going to change. You should be watching the movie, not the black area above and below it.

AMEN! Lose PQ and some of the Picture in full screen or Zoom.