Man with a Movie Camera (and other works by Dziga Vertov) - Eureka! 4 disk set

[Erasmus Craven]

Currently £14.99 at Amazon and HMV...

[nils]

So, is this "limited-edition 4-Disc Dual-Format edition" have only one blu-ray disc for all Vertov movies in HD as Lobster Films and Flicker Alley releases? Only one???

[tenia]

Originally Posted by nils

So, is this "limited-edition 4-Disc Dual-Format edition" have only one blu-ray disc for all Vertov movies in HD as Lobster Films and Flicker Alley releases? Only one???

I'm actually quite interested to know how the split is done. If it follows the French BD/DVD set, it would be 1 BD + 3 DVDs. However, the MoC set will on-disc extra features absent from the French set, so it could justify moving to 2 BDs + 2 DVDs instead.

[EddieLarkin]

It could justify moving to 2+2 even without the extra stuff, considering how poor the FA disc looks. We're talking 5 hours of content here for the films alone, so I highly doubt it'll be anything but 2+2.

[Telstar]

Is £14.99 likely to remain the sale price of this or is it expected to increase?

[Superted]

Originally Posted by Telstar

Is £14.99 likely to remain the sale price of this or is it expected to increase?

I'd say it will rise.

[88mph]

Will it include the Nyman and Cinematic Orchestra scores as well?

[nils]

YES !!! Transfer same that Fliker/Lobster, but Eureka issue have video bitrate is 35 Mbps!!! See compare screenshots: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-r...ra_blu-ray.htm

[oddbox83]

Originally Posted by 88mph

Will it include the Nyman and Cinematic Orchestra scores as well?

Nyman score is exclusive to the BFI edition. If you love the film then as with Nosferatu, you get both! The BFI editions might be taken from older restorations but they're still brand new transfers of film so still look very good and it's a different way to experience them. Especially Nosferatu. That film looked stunning on the MoC BD but it's got that rougher charm I remember from when I first saw it on the BFI BD.

[rezpekt]

Package shot from Eureka's Facebook page:

Originally Posted by nils

YES !!! Transfer same that Fliker/Lobster, but Eureka issue have video bitrate is 35 Mbps!!! See compare screenshots: http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film5/blu-r...ra_blu-ray.htm

No surprise. We already knew these would be the same restorations and we also knew Lyris/David Mackenzie does not half-ass his encodes.

[tenia]

He also re sync the Alloy Orchestra score for Man with a Movie Camera. Visibly, the score was not sync to the cut prepped up by Lobster and thus was not a 100% match.

[DefLeppard]

Has Amazon processed (authorization request for payment) any of your orders on this blu-ray yet?
they generally send payment authorization request for pre-order a day earlier but it is not the case with this one and now it is 'Currently Unavailable'..

[CouncilSpectre]

Looks like Amazon are late getting stock. I usually get pre-orders on the Sunday but this one isn't supposed to dispatch until tomorrow, with delivery expected on Tuesday.

[richwood]

Originally Posted by CouncilSpectre

Looks like Amazon are late getting stock. I usually get pre-orders on the Sunday but this one isn't supposed to dispatch until tomorrow, with delivery expected on Tuesday.

Someone mentioned in either this thread or the Eureka/MOC one that the stock was late getting sent out to the stores. My HMV order hasn't shipped yet and ordinarily I'd have expected it to arrive yesterday.

[DefLeppard]

Thanks folks for your replies and information..
I feel so relieved right now!!

[nils]

Originally Posted by tenia

He also re sync the Alloy Orchestra score for Man with a Movie Camera. Visibly, the score was not sync to the cut prepped up by Lobster and thus was not a 100% match.

Exactly. Because Alloy Orchestra made theirs score for other film transfer of this movie. Lobster transfer is longer by the chapter numbers and some other short scenes. How can possible MoC made this score sync without cutting footage or others changes in original video sequence??? The big doubts.

You know about Lobster/Flicker video disfiguration with numerous (thousands!) double frame sequences freezes whole timeline and cutted 1-3 first and last frames in each (EACH!!!) scenes changes in entire movie? How about this disfiguration in Eureka edition? It is???

[David M]

^ Resyncing the score was quite delicate. The biggest problem is that the new restoration usually has more footage than what the score was originally recorded to, as you pointed out.

Jon Robertson of MoC identified the key parts where the sync was not right. I then had to find points where the sync could be adjusted without it becoming obvious. There are a limited number of points you can cut at to shift things around (small gaps of silence are the ideal case). Another "cheat" was whenever there's cymbal crashes at the end of a sequence. You can digitally time-stretch those parts of the audio without creating audible artefacts, to make up differences in duration, in a way that would sound weird with almost any other type of instrument.

Short answer: it's done by finding points where the edits can be concealed.

[Knaldskalle]

Originally Posted by David M

Another "cheat" was whenever there's cymbal crashes at the end of a sequence. You can digitally time-stretch those parts of the audio without creating audible artefacts, to make up differences in duration, in a way that would sound weird with almost any other type of instrument.

This is pretty darn neat, if I may say so.

It's almost impossible in my experience, to manipulate musical instruments (and human voices) temporally without it being obvious. We're so attuned to how something is supposed to sound that even small anomalies demand our attention (it's a different story with pitch and timbre, those are somewhat malleable). But clanging cymbals have reverb, it's not the most familiar sound, the duration is variable in the first place due to things like recording conditions and to time stretch that sound strikes me as a most elegant solution to the problem.

So excited to receive my set now! Even if it will take a couple of week to cross The Pond.

[nils]

David M, thank you for your answer. If it interesting, I found in my collection video sequence of rising digital six what absent in Lobster/EYE transfer


Lobster transfer have many cutted sequences frames in many scenes (to 3 seconds in some scenes), MoC this frames made reconstruction? Examples (my reconstruction, sepia is lost frames in Lobster transfer):

[Show spoiler] etc.

[Gentle Star]

Out of stock at Amazon. This set was a steal at £14.99.