4k replacement for Plasma

[R3P0]

Starting to look at 4k TV trying to decide if i have the extra money which one to buy. I am looking at 65" sadly only OLED TV seems to be LG and not sure if I want an LG TV. Can anyone provide some good recommendations for 5K TV that wont have motion flow problems. I hate how Motion flow looks on LED TV which is why i really love my plasma Tv's it looks natural when watching sports. Can anyone recommend a good 4k TV 65" +

[CHASLS2]

You are stuck with LG only for OLED and nothing i would want in a LED with any brand.

Glad i have a perfect working 60VT60 to hold me over for a few more years.

[jvonl]

LG has come a long way. Look at some new reviews, check then out.

[DavePS3]

I just moved from a Samsung 58" 8000 series plasma (top of the line in 2010) to the 65" 9500 series 4K HDR panel and it blows my plasma out of the water. The ONLY thing the plasma was better for was off-axis viewing. That's it.

I have 14 sources going to this new panel. Yeah, 14. From gaming systems to USB hard drives to 4K BluRay player. This panel kicks my plasma's ass. Contrast... detail, depth, color, black levels and yes... motion. The 95 and newer 9800 series as well as some lower models have a manual adjustment for motion over and above the typical pre-sets so I could tweak it much closer to how I want it, whether it's at a higher frame rate without artifacting on quick movement or back to the typical 24 frame rate of film.

To be clear on motion - Movies have been shot at 24 frame since just after silent films to save money. A lower frame rate was too jittery for audiences while a faster frame rate meant more money for film stock and every film has a budget.

Video was typically shot at 30 to 32 frames a second. Sporting events... concerts and yes, soap operas are shot on video. They don't typically shoot movies on video because you get what you shoot - you cannot be nearly as creative with the look of a film as you can with different film stock. Personally, I've never liked 24 frame. Drives me nuts but it's what everyone is used to. However, if you reverse the usage, say 32 frames since the beginning and now going to 24 frame, would drive people crazy.

As far as OLED is concerned... to me, if it was a viable long-lasting technology, everyone would be doing it. The fact that LG (previously Goldstar) is the only company producing the panels tells me a lot. Yes, the blacks are great - not that they are a darker black than my panel but rather, the OLED produces absolutely no 'haze' or glow from white letters on black. I get a bit but far less than my plasma showed that's for sure.

Anyway, enough of my rambling. Just get a panel that allows you the most tweaks you can find and youll dig it!

[Robert Zohn]

Buy LG's new 65" B6 series and you will fall in love with your new 2016 4K OLED TV more than any other TV you may have owned before. To get the best motion resolution here's the best settings:

I the "Picture" Menu, select "TruMotion" and select the "User" mode, then set De Judder to 0 and then select De Blur and set it to 5.

Motion resolution will be as good if not slightly better than the best LCD/LED TV and no digital Soap Opera look.

Email me for more of the best settings and for any information on these great displays if you like.

-Robert

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Buy LG's new 65" B6 series and you will fall in love with your new 2016 4K OLED TV more than any other TV you may have owned before. To get the best motion resolution here's the best settings:

I the "Picture" Menu, select "TruMotion" and select the "User" mode, then set De Judder to 0 and then select De Blur and set it to 5.

Motion resolution will be as good if not slightly better than the best LCD/LED TV and no digital Soap Opera look.

Email me for more of the best settings and for any information on these great displays if you like.

-Robert

Robert the biggest question is does it have that speedy camera look when watching sports that happens on LCD/LED TV. I absolutely hate when it looks like the TV is trying to play catch up to sports.

My plasma has a 600hz motion flow tech which makes everything look natural. The OLED LG only has a max 240hz motion flow tech. That worries me that im going to have to deal with the quick camera look when im watching football or hockey for instance.

[Robert Zohn]

My take on this is that even LCD based TVs can be set-up to minimize the digital soap opera look with proper settings, however when they are set-up to minimize the digital fake look the motion resolution is not maximized. The cause of this fake digital look that can seem like fast frame rate is called frame interpretation, where the TV can be set to create frames in-between the original 60fps so it helps with motion resolution, but also creates the fake digital look.

However, with sports the content is captured on video cameras, not film so it should not make much difference. Now with all this said, no TV that is based on the 60Hz sample and hold drive can match the motion resolution of PDP. But with proper settings we can get 60Hz sample hold displays to render a film like look with Hollywood content.

So for those who are sensitive to this anomaly and if you watch a lot of sports and film based content on a LCD TV it's best to have two calibrated modes, one for sports and one for film.

I know this is confusing and I'm not the best at explaining this anomaly so I hope this helps.

[CHASLS2]

Originally Posted by R3P0

Robert the biggest question is does it have that speedy camera look when watching sports that happens on LCD/LED TV. I absolutely hate when it looks like the TV is trying to play catch up to sports.

My plasma has a 600hz motion flow tech which makes everything look natural. The OLED LG only has a max 240hz motion flow tech. That worries me that im going to have to deal with the quick camera look when im watching football or hockey for instance.

Never really noticed motion blur with OLED. But i sure see it with any LED i ever viewed. Just watch out if you plan to spend $4k+ on new OLED. Stained screens and banding has been a problem. I know OLED tech is getting better, but i am going to wait it out a few years. It took Plasma 8 years to get good, at least with OLED prices are dropping much faster than plasma did.

[Robert Zohn]

Sorry to disagree, but all of the 2016 4K OLED TVs do not have stained screens and screen uniformity is very good. LG fixed all of the anomalies in all of this years OLED series. Near black has no crush and color accuracy and saturation are excellent.

Also all 2016 4K OLED TVs are 50% brighter than last year's models and LG added Dolby Vision HDR to the feature set.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by CHASLS2

Never really noticed motion blur with OLED. But i sure see it with any LED i ever viewed. Just watch out if you plan to spend $4k+ on new OLED. Stained screens and banding has been a problem. I know OLED tech is getting better, but i am going to wait it out a few years. It took Plasma 8 years to get good, at least with OLED prices are dropping much faster than plasma did.

Well my wife just put the hammer down on me purchasing any new TVs before we buy a new house lol so as of now im just doing research.

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Sorry to disagree, but all of the 2016 4K OLED TVs do not have stained screens and screen uniformity is very good. LG fixed all of the anomalies in all of this years OLED series. Near black has no crush and color accuracy and saturation are excellent.

Also all 2016 4K OLED TVs are 50% brighter than last year's models and LG added Dolby Vision HDR to the feature set.

But how does it stack up compared to a plasma. The Plasmas I bought previously are damn near perfect TV's. If I could get a 4K plasma I would but sadly the manufacturers love to tell consumers what we want.

Everyone has said that OLED is the closest thing to a Plasma and I am going to assume at 1/8th the electrical cost. Part of me is leery and I understand you sell LG exclusively as ive always been a Samsung guy, but I find it hard to believe in the 3 months the new LG TV's have been on the market that LG managed to "fix everything". In order to say that these TV's need to be on the market for a lot longer then 3 months.

[Robert Zohn]

Interesting article about LG new QC procedures for the 2016 4K OLED panels.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Sorry to disagree, but all of the 2016 4K OLED TVs do not have stained screens and screen uniformity is very good. LG fixed all of the anomalies in all of this years OLED series. Near black has no crush and color accuracy and saturation are excellent.

Also all 2016 4K OLED TVs are 50% brighter than last year's models and LG added Dolby Vision HDR to the feature set.

OK and what about for us "normal" human beings who can't afford a 5000.00 TV set? What would be the next best solution to plasma?

[Robert Zohn]

Personally and professionally I wish we still had PDP TVs available, but since we don't I just can't pick a LCD/LED TV that I can recommend below the $5k price point.

The best LCD/LED TV below $5k that I like Samsung's UN65KS9800, but it's not far below $5k on sale for $4,498 with a free 40" H5003 basic series TV. In a larger screen size I love Sony's new 75" X940D, also a full array locally dimmed TV at $6k that also has a promotion that equals and additional $300 savings.

Sorry the market has come to this, but all I can do is report what I see, so please don't shoot the messenger.

-Robert

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Personally and professionally I wish we still had PDP TVs available, but since we don't I just can't pick a LCD/LED TV that I can recommend below the $5k price point.

The best LCD/LED TV below $5k that I like Samsung's UN65KS9800, but it's not far below $5k on sale for $4,498 with a free 40" H5003 basic series TV. In a larger screen size I love Sony's new 75" X940D, also a full array locally dimmed TV at $6k that also has a promotion that equals and additional $300 savings.

Sorry the market has come to this, but all I can do is report what I see, so please don't shoot the messenger.

-Robert

What about all those Vizios that CNET keeps rating so highly? I believe their "P" series is currently CNET'S highest overall rated set.

[slimdude]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Personally and professionally I wish we still had PDP TVs available, but since we don't I just can't pick a LCD/LED TV that I can recommend below the $5k price point.

The best LCD/LED TV below $5k that I like Samsung's UN65KS9800, but it's not far below $5k on sale for $4,498 with a free 40" H5003 basic series TV. In a larger screen size I love Sony's new 75" X940D, also a full array locally dimmed TV at $6k that also has a promotion that equals and additional $300 savings.

Sorry the market has come to this, but all I can do is report what I see, so please don't shoot the messenger.

-Robert

$5,000.00 is a lot of money to spend for any TV! If anybody is willing to spend THAT much money on an TV, they might as well get a projector. There is no way I would spend $5000.00 for a TV.

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by slimdude

$5,000.00 is a lot of money to spend for any TV! If anybody is willing to spend THAT much money on an TV, they might as well get a projector. There is no way I would spend $5000.00 for a TV.

The problem with a projector is by the time all is said and done that comes close to 4-5K now as well if not more. The projector im looking at for my theater in my new house is 15k right now and the one I really want is 27k.

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-VPLVW110...y+4k+projector

I am lucky in the fact that my plasmas are not that old compared to some users on this site. I believe my main plasma my 65" is currently only 3 years old. My 55" is closer to 6 years old. My SXRD Sony DLP TV in my basement is 10 years old but not heavily used so still runs like a champ.

Robert is right in the fact the market has shifted, those of us that bought EOL plasmas at 600 dollars before they were gone ended up being lucky so we can ride out our current sets until we see something we actually like. Those whos plasmas are 10+ years old may not be so lucky and may be forced to the OLED upgrades while the prices are still extremely high.

[Steelmaker]

Originally Posted by R3P0

The problem with a projector is by the time all is said and done that comes close to 4-5K now as well if not more. The projector im looking at for my theater in my new house is 15k right now and the one I really want is 27k.

https://www.amazon.com/Sony-VPLVW110...y+4k+projector

I am lucky in the fact that my plasmas are not that old compared to some users on this site. I believe my main plasma my 65" is currently only 3 years old. My 55" is closer to 6 years old. My SXRD Sony DLP TV in my basement is 10 years old but not heavily used so still runs like a champ.

Robert is right in the fact the market has shifted, those of us that bought EOL plasmas at 600 dollars before they were gone ended up being lucky so we can ride out our current sets until we see something we actually like. Those whos plasmas are 10+ years old may not be so lucky and may be forced to the OLED upgrades while the prices are still extremely high.

I think that was his point. If you're GOING to spend 5K on a TV you might as well buy a projector and have a much bigger screen.

I have no doubt the OLEDS will come down in price just like plasmas did. I remember when 60" plasmas were 5K. I just hope my Panny VT60 lasts that long until the 4K OLEDS do come down from the stratosphere's in price.

[Robert Zohn]

Projectors are my personal favorite choice as you can scale the image size to your liking. But they can only perform optimally in a totally light controlled room and even then a flat black ceiling (not white or any color) and walls are needed to deliver the best picture quality.

Also if you want to fairly compare the cost of a projection system to a 2016 4K HDR TV you would be spending over $10k for the entry level projector.

So unless you need a very large screen size and don't have a dedicated theater room a self emitting flat panel display is best.

My main point is that the very best flat panel display is an emissive display that does not use a bright back-light with LCDs to control the light and then polarizers and filters. Plasma and CRT are other examples of emissive display technology.

-Robert

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Steelmaker

I think that was his point. If you're GOING to spend 5K on a TV you might as well buy a projector and have a much bigger screen.

I have no doubt the OLEDS will come down in price just like plasmas did. I remember when 60" plasmas were 5K. I just hope my Panny VT60 lasts that long until the 4K OLEDS do come down from the stratosphere's in price.

I remember when 60" plasmas were $12k! (Pioneer PureVision 61")

Heck it wasn't that long ago the 50" 7-series plasmas from Panasonic were $4k and the PDP-5010FD was $5,500 I believe MSRP.

From around 2012 onwards big screen pricing really took a nose dive, so now spending $5k on a set seems foreign, but once you've seen that 65" 4K LG OLED it's hard to even consider replacing a VT60 with any other panel technology.

I look forward to seeing Panasonic's OLED sets reach North America, do we know if that's supposed to happen this year?

[R3P0]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I remember when 60" plasmas were $12k! (Pioneer PureVision 61")

Heck it wasn't that long ago the 50" 7-series plasmas from Panasonic were $4k and the PDP-5010FD was $5,500 I believe MSRP.

From around 2012 onwards big screen pricing really took a nose dive, so now spending $5k on a set seems foreign, but once you've seen that 65" 4K LG OLED it's hard to even consider replacing a VT60 with any other panel technology.

I look forward to seeing Panasonic's OLED sets reach North America, do we know if that's supposed to happen this year?

Everything I have read says yes the CZ950 Panasonic 4k OLED will hit the Americas this year, the big problem is once again its a "curved" display which is absolutely pointless on a LED TV. Still have no idea why the manufacturers are shoving curved down ppls throats on a panel display. If it was a projector display id say go for it on curved but on LED no way not needed.

CZ950 has a curved 65” OLED panel with 4K resolution and support for HDR (high dynamic range). However, be aware that this is a 2015-gen panel, meaning that it does not reach the same luminance peaks and the full coverage of DCI-P3 as LG’s 2016-gen OLED panels that will launch this spring. This means that it will not be “UHD Premium” certified.
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