Bd flippers

[k_huntington]

Have their been any flipper discs for BD??? Like 2d on one side, 3D on another? Just wondering. Ive never seen any.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by k_huntington

Have their been any flipper discs for BD??? Like 2d on one side, 3D on another? Just wondering. Ive never seen any.

Some early releases like the first Out of Africa release had a BD on one side and DVD on the other.

[lilboyblu]

Yeah, 10 years ago. Something like Blu-ray on Side A, and DVD on Side B. I don't think they make them anymore.

[k_huntington]

But what about dual sided bluray for whatever purpose?

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by baheidstu

Some early releases like the first Out of Africa release had a BD on one side and DVD on the other.

Yep...that is the one I own. Thankfully, this never took off.

[Ray_Rogers]

Originally Posted by hariseldon

No. I'm not entirely sure Double side BD are possible or so I read many years ago, but I doubt is would have been acceptable in any circumstances. The Bourne films started as flippers as well as one of the Twilight films and the studios got tons of nasty mail about it so
at least Bourne was re-released later on std BD


But BD fans were basically outraged over the BD/DVD flippers and refused to buy them so they died in a hurry. Part of the issue was an outgrowth of the HDDVD/DVD disasters, lack of disc art, difficulty in figuring which way to insert the disc, the fact they couldn't sell off part to the Combo pack. As far as i can remember there was never any real playability problems with the BD/DVD unlike the HDDVD hybrids

I own the BOURNE Trilogy which are the non-Flippers, but The Bourne Ultimatum I own on HD DVD is the flipper one. True on the HD DVD/DVD hybrid had tons of re-releases with the title in question solely being HD DVD only. But I'm glad for combo packs now. Because if there isn't anything worthwhile for me to keep the DVD, I sell it off.

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Yep...that is the one I own. Thankfully, this never took off.

The Studios should've learned from their blunders from the HD disc format war.
My guess is no Studios have pressed a DVD-18 for a current release in a very long time. Let alone a DVD-14 OR a DVD-10.

[evilive]

My copy of Traffic has a dual sided BD/DVD disc.

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by k_huntington

But what about dual sided bluray for whatever purpose?

Not that I'm aware of.

[steve_dave]

The term flipper for optical format started with DVD where a movie was split between the two sides. Common due to DVD-10 dual-sided discs being ready prior to DVD-9 dual-layer discs. Eventually DVD-18 was created to allow for a single disc to have a fillm in high-quality and extensive bonus features. Unfortunately, DVD-18s ha a very high failure rate.

For Blu-ray there was no technical reason to split the film as a BD-25 could easily fit most movies with high-quality audio. Universal Home Entertainment introduced the combo disc with BD on one side and DVD on the other. For some inane reason, these were marketed as "flipper" discs which caused the name to stick to them. Summit also had "flipper" discs with Source Code, Red, and Letters to Juliet.

[blurayfriend]

Twilight Eclipse does. It frightened me when I took it out of the package, like "this should not be here!" Brings back bad memories of WB snapper cases from the early 2000's!

[slimdude]

If I'm not mistaken, the first BD releases of The Jackal and Traffic were blu-ray / DVD hybrid discs, and there were a few others from Universal.

[k_huntington]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

The term flipper for optical format started with DVD where a movie was split between the two sides. Common due to DVD-10 dual-sided discs being ready prior to DVD-9 dual-layer discs. Eventually DVD-18 was created to allow for a single disc to have a fillm in high-quality and extensive bonus features. Unfortunately, DVD-18s ha a very high failure rate.

For Blu-ray there was no technical reason to split the film as a BD-25 could easily fit most movies with high-quality audio. Universal Home Entertainment introduced the combo disc with BD on one side and DVD on the other. For some inane reason, these were marketed as "flipper" discs which caused the name to stick to them. Summit also had "flipper" discs with Source Code, Red, and Letters to Juliet.

I always considered the old dvd-4s with full screen on one side, and letterboxed full screen on the other, flippers. I tried to watch a few I had recently, and it was a let down that all the ones I and they were all non annimorphic. So they were full screen both sides. Hah. But yeah I have several of those HD DVDs ones, that's what got me to thinking. Well, what really got me to thinking was how I was like "are there flipper bd-50s where the movie can be encoded at 40 Mbps, and then on the opposite side.put all the special features in full 1080p 40mbps too?" Maybe that would curb the "compression artifacts" complaints at least.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by k_huntington

Well, what really got me to thinking was how I was like "are there flipper bd-50s where the movie can be encoded at 40 Mbps, and then on the opposite side.put all the special features in full 1080p 40mbps too?" Maybe that would curb the "compression artifacts" complaints at least.

No such animal exists since its cheaper and easier to replicate two disc sets for Blu-ray. And few BD producers have any need for high bit-rate video presentations of supplementary material. Very few featurettes and documentaries are mixed for 5.1 surround, at most stereo surround.

[k_huntington]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

No such animal exists since its cheaper and easier to replicate two disc sets for Blu-ray. And few BD producers have any need for high bit-rate video presentations of supplementary material. Very few featurettes and documentaries are mixed for 5.1 surround, at most stereo surround.

I was just speaking video presentation.
Yeah that's expected I guess with the cost. If they were available, they would be more expensive to press than just 2 bd-50s or 1 bd-50 and 1 bd-25. I was just mainly wondering if any studio had done it. I guess the short and long is no. but there were BD/dvd dual sided discs at the beginning (which I've never even seen and I have probably 600 bds total) interesting.

[HD Goofnut]

The Ghost Writer is also a flipper, but it needs to be avoided anyway since the U.S. disc has censored profanity.

[figrin_dan]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

The term flipper for optical format started with DVD where a movie was split between the two sides. Common due to DVD-10 dual-sided discs being ready prior to DVD-9 dual-layer discs. Eventually DVD-18 was created to allow for a single disc to have a fillm in high-quality and extensive bonus features. Unfortunately, DVD-18s ha a very high failure rate.

For Blu-ray there was no technical reason to split the film as a BD-25 could easily fit most movies with high-quality audio. Universal Home Entertainment introduced the combo disc with BD on one side and DVD on the other. For some inane reason, these were marketed as "flipper" discs which caused the name to stick to them. Summit also had "flipper" discs with Source Code, Red, and Letters to Juliet.

It seems odd to call anything that you don't have to 'flip' (ie during the film) a flipper. Any dvd of mine with 4:3 on the back was basically treated as a single sided disc.

[Dex Robinson]

Originally Posted by steve_dave

The term flipper for optical format started with DVD where a movie was split between the two sides. Common due to DVD-10 dual-sided discs being ready prior to DVD-9 dual-layer discs...

Absolutely correct.

This was not uncommon in the earliest days of DVD with movies like THE RIGHT STUFF. You literally HAD to flip the disc to watch the whole movie.

As more people use the term incorrectly, the original meaning has beceome lost. If you don't have to flip it to watch the movie it's NOT a flipper. If it has full screen on one side and widescreen on the other: not a flipper. One movie on one side and one movie on the other: not a flipper. DVD on one side, BD on the other: not a flipper.

FIRST HALF a movie on one side and SECOND HALF of the movie on the other side: that's a flipper!

[baheidstu]

Originally Posted by Dex Robinson

Absolutely correct.

This was not uncommon in the earliest days of DVD with movies like THE RIGHT STUFF. You literally HAD to flip the disc to watch the whole movie.

As more people use the term incorrectly, the original meaning has beceome lost. If you don't have to flip it to watch the movie it's NOT a flipper. If it has full screen on one side and widescreen on the other: not a flipper. One movie on one side and one movie on the other: not a flipper. DVD on one side, BD on the other: not a flipper.

FIRST HALF a movie on one side and SECOND HALF of the movie on the other side: that's a flipper!

It's just a colloquial term anyway, so who cares if it's being used "incorrectly"?

[Starman22]

I never seen any of Blu-ray disc flipper before and I seen flipper DVD disc before and also I hate flipper disc

[thatguamguy]

There are two different problems with dual-sided discs. One was when they used to split the movie up so that you actually had to flip the disc. Obviously, that is the worse. But the second problem is just that they're harder to hold and keep clean and get in and out of the cases. This is the problem with most of what people refer to as "flipper", and is still a valid issue with the discs whatever you want to call them. So since people already had one term for discs which had that problem, it's not surprising that they just used that term rather than inventing a separate one. If people liked dual-sided discs, they would've come up with a non-negative term for them, instead of using the already existing perjorative.

Also, for examples of dual-sided Blu-ray/DVDs, Season 1 of "Louie" is in that format. I believe Season 2, they were released separately, and subsequent seasons are only DVD-R (not sure, I kind of lost touch with buying the series for whatever reason).