Bad times for Sony - Blu-ray Forum

Gamekid · 07-07-2006, 11:25 PM

I have read numerous articles that make Sony look bad. Many think that Nintendo's Wii will do better then Sony. Many don't like the high price of the console. The list goes on and on. The meat of the ps3 is in the parts and the blu-ray disc drive. I refuse to believe that the ps3 will flop because there are a ton of launch games for the console, not to mention that the machine has everything that a developer could ask for. New technology to play around with and lots of space to use. What more could you want? I'm also wondering how the battle will be between the Nintendo Wii, the Sony Playstation 3 and the Microsoft XBox 360. Who will win?

theknub · 07-08-2006, 12:32 AM

if i could tell you that, i wouldn't be working....

wherever you go, there are sites making one company/product look bad. the ps3 happens to be the new big industry thing. whether it is fudsters, reviewers, or who knows, you can't trust anyone until you use the product. yeah, the price is high, but it does so much more. i remember reading an article on ps3land (i believe) that talked about the price of the system historically. given what was said, the ps3 was actually cheaper than previous products given inflation and what not (obviously, cant validate how accurate the article truly is). i personally dont see the ps3 being that expensive given the technology and everything else. how much was the ps2 back in '00? $300? $350? i dont remember honestly. that was six years ago. factor in things like inflation, economy and advancing technology and i really don't think it is expensive at all.

suprmallet · 07-08-2006, 01:40 AM

I'll bet Nintendo will win for one big reason: The Wii will be an easy second choice console for both PS3 AND 360 owners. For a select few, it will be a first-choice console, but most people will buy a PS3 or 360, and since the prices on both are so high, they'll go for a Wii second instead of buying the other high-priced system.

If Nintendo gets all the people buying both of the other systems, then they end up with the most system sales.

zombie · 07-08-2006, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by suprmallet

I'll bet Nintendo will win for one big reason: The Wii will be an easy second choice console for both PS3 AND 360 owners.

Yeah like you said, the second choice. I'm not a gamer so I ask this sincerely, do gamers normally settle for second best?

ProvenFlipper · 07-08-2006, 02:10 AM

The PS3 will sell out first day without a doubt... Here are a few of the people who are going to help it out...

1. The person who is purchasing solely to make a profit selling the system second hand.

2. The hardcore gamer.

3. The people who want a Blu-ray player, yet don't want to shell out $1000+ to purchase a standalone player.

4. The person who has to have anything and everything technology related.

5. The person buying the PS3 purely off of hype.

This is just a short and speculated list of the main people who are going to be purchasing the PS3 on the first day it releases.

I will not be purchasing a PS3 because I have no time to really get into video games. But I do hope it does extremely well for sake of the BR community.

Gamekid · 07-08-2006, 03:42 AM

Quote "i remember reading an article on ps3land (i believe) that talked about the price of the system historically. given what was said, the ps3 was actually cheaper than previous products given inflation and what not."

I read the same article so I know exactly what you mean. It's like this, "It's not what you pay, it what's you get out of what you pay." There is so much that you can do with the ps3, I think that what you can do justifies the price of it. I do wonder, since the ps3 will be easier to work with, if there will be any flopped games for the console in the console's lifecycle because there have been a lot of either flopped games or ones that just were'nt as good as they could have been for the ps2. I think that main reason why so many people are doubting the ps3, other then price, is because of the blu-ray drive, which at this time isn't very popular. Reguardless of everything that I have read, we should all believe postively in Sony because I think with a doubt, the ps3 will put Sony in first place although I could be wrong.

BTBuck1 · 07-08-2006, 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProvenFlipper

The PS3 will sell out first day without a doubt... Here are a few of the people who are going to help it out...

1. The person who is purchasing solely to make a profit selling the system second hand.

2. The hardcore gamer.

3. The people who want a Blu-ray player, yet don't want to shell out $1000+ to purchase a standalone player.

4. The person who has to have anything and everything technology related.

5. The person buying the PS3 purely off of hype.

This is just a short and speculated list of the main people who are going to be purchasing the PS3 on the first day it releases.

I will not be purchasing a PS3 because I have no time to really get into video games. But I do hope it does extremely well for sake of the BR community.

I fall under 3,4 & 5...not much of #2 anymore just because of time. & #3 Im willing to give it a shot as a secondary player/game machine as im fresh out of HDMI and this will have dual purpose. I will have a BDP-S1 for my main setup though =) I wish i had time & money to buy a few of these and make a profit. but thats for losers without a real job i guess. My time is worth more than sitting out front of walmart or BB for 2 days.

suprmallet · 07-08-2006, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by nyg

Yeah like you said, the second choice. I'm not a gamer so I ask this sincerely, do gamers normally settle for second best?

Um, yes, all the time. It's called buying any knock-off or rushed out game, of which there are far more than genuinely good games.

What I meant about second choice is that most gamers want more than one system. Most people will choose either a PS3 or 360, but not both. However, people who buy either will still probably buy a Wii.

For my own purposes, I think the Wii will give me the best gaming experience. When I want HD graphics, I will play on my 360. Simple as that.

As for the PS3, there will only be a million units in America this holiday season. They will all sell out, but at a loss to Sony. So of course Sony will trumpet it up that they sold out during the holidays, but the bigger winners will be Nintendo and Microsoft, who will have far more systems to sell.

BTBuck1 · 07-08-2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by suprmallet

For my own purposes, I think the Wii will give me the best gaming experience. When I want HD graphics, I will play on my 360. Simple as that.

I love Mario as much as the next guy, but at sometime im gonna want some 3rd party action and nintendo just hasn't been able to deliver since SNES. I know they can carry a console on first party titles...but they can't win a format war that way.

JTK · 07-08-2006, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

I love Mario as much as the next guy, but at sometime im gonna want some 3rd party action and nintendo just hasn't been able to deliver since SNES. I know they can carry a console on first party titles...but they can't win a format war that way.

I don't think they're even going to try. We've all read enough press from them.

They're content to let Sony and MS slug it out while they continue to do their own thing...to a fault.

Once again in the news yesterday, the glowing reports come out for Nintendo's fiscal conditions, almost solely due to DS and handhelds sales.

That's all they need. That's far and away their first priority and people are kidding themselves if they think that's going to change anytime soon, if ever.

The consoles are clearly a distant second priority to them.

Sure, the Wii will be nice and have some nice games like the GC before it, but I believe it's not going to be much more of a niche product than the GC was.

I personally would have paid an extra $50 on the MSRP to have Nintendo provide me, the customer, the choice of HD capability and Dolby 5.1.

Not having these on a so-called next gen system is inexcuseable.

Nintendo's problem since the N64 is operating with the mindset of: "We're going to do it our way whether you like it or not. Take it or leave it."

There are good reasons Nintendo sees AMAZING sales on their handhelds and games yet they can barely get any crossover to their consoles from that huge userbase.

BTBuck1 · 07-08-2006, 05:02 PM

I've heard many people already say, "if they aren't adding HD or DD and all we're getting is a new controller...then aren't we just getting another cube with a new controller?"

I love my DS-Lite, and it's probably the only place were my gaming dollars will continue to support nintendo. I can live without "Mario Galaxy"

Gamekid · 07-08-2006, 06:13 PM

Just to comment on a few things: I think that it's silly to have all three companies have the same kind of consoles. Both Microsoft and Sony are focused on high defination and Nintendo is doing things differently by making the Wii. Let me make a strong point. Nintendo's products have always been uniquie. The N64 alowed for true 3D, although Sony came up with the idea of 3D first. Next Nintendo make the Gamecube which was uniquie in it's own way because everything was small. Even though Sony later make the ps2, the only thing different about that was higher bits and a new color. Same idea with the XBox and now with the next generation, both the Xbox 360 and the ps3 focus on high defination, with the only difference being that the ps3 discs can hold more, but the same idea revolves around both systems which is the fact that we still use controllers. We have used controllers for 20 years. The whole point behind the Wii is that anyone can pick the remote and play, reguardless if the player has any experience or not. I doubt you can say the same thing with the Xbox 360 or the ps3. If you remember, Microsoft has console shortages on launch day, but console shortages are something that we want to avoid. I believe in Sony that they will have enough ps3's to hand out on launch date.

suprmallet · 07-09-2006, 05:24 AM

Enough PS3's to hand out on the launch date? Huh? They already said there will be one million PS3's in America during the holidays. That's less than the amount of 360's in America during its launch. Expect even bigger shortages on this console than you saw on the 360.

Gamekid · 07-09-2006, 05:35 AM

I hate to disagree with you on the console shortage. I'm wondering how Sony will handle this. I'm wondering if they will fall in the same boat that Microsoft did when they launched the XBox 360. All I know is that Sony has a lot of good ps3 games coming out, a very impressive console to everybody to play and a lot of fans that don't want to be disapointed with a console shortage. I do want to bring up a strong point. A while back, on ign.com, they talked about why you should wait for a ps3 and one of the reasons was because Sony would have preorders so that on launch day, they would know how many consoles to ship out. Preorders would elimate the long lines that Microsoft had for the XBox 360. To agree with E3, Sony would need at least 2million preorders to ship 2 million consoles on launch day.

Shadowself · 07-09-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by suprmallet

Enough PS3's to hand out on the launch date? Huh? They already said there will be one million PS3's in America during the holidays. That's less than the amount of 360's in America during its launch. Expect even bigger shortages on this console than you saw on the 360.

The last I read in any announcement from Sony (and this was a while back) was that they planned on having six million PS3s available before 31 December '06 and another six million available before 31 March '07. I have read of no official announcement to contradict this. While this will not preclude shortages it will make shortage much less significant than the 360 launch had.

Do you have a reference (hopefully some announcement from Sony rather than some dumb analyst's speculation) to support the statement of Sony only having one million available by 31 December '06?

Gamekid · 07-09-2006, 10:12 PM

I need to ask what caused the console shortage with the XBox 360? Sony needs to avoid having a shortage. If they have enough materials to make ps3 consoles then there's no problem. To answer your question, Sony wants to ship two million consoles every month for six months I think so the only thing that would stop them from doing this would be not having enough parts to make the console, but the ps3 should be in the manufactoring stage at least by early november to meet the deadline. Preorders for everything should happen by September at the earliest. Sony has to avoid whatever Microsoft did to be successful.

zombie · 07-09-2006, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowself

The last I read in any announcement from Sony (and this was a while back) was that they planned on having six million PS3s available before 31 December '06 and another six million available before 31 March '07.

Yup, 6 million PS3s is the figure I remember reading as well. I agree, if the figure is only 1 million now please back up that figure suprmallet.

suprmallet · 07-10-2006, 03:12 AM

I said one million PS3's for America. They're doing a worldwide launch. Every territory is getting consoles at the same time. So if they're getting out six million by December, that's six million for the world. I'll have to do some article digging to get exact quotes.

Gamekid · 07-10-2006, 03:45 AM

I think that the only thing that Sony hasn't done is a global launch before, but I think that if anyone can do a global launch and avoid a console shortage at the same time, Sony can.

suprmallet · 07-10-2006, 08:13 AM

Why do you have such blind faith in Sony? I would expect Nintendo to not have console shortages because it's easier to make a Wii than a PS3. If you really think you can walk into a retail store during launch week and just find PS3's shitting on the shelves waiting to be picked up, you will be sorely disappointed.

07-07-2006, 11:25 PM	#1
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	Bad times for Sony I have read numerous articles that make Sony look bad. Many think that Nintendo's Wii will do better then Sony. Many don't like the high price of the console. The list goes on and on. The meat of the ps3 is in the parts and the blu-ray disc drive. I refuse to believe that the ps3 will flop because there are a ton of launch games for the console, not to mention that the machine has everything that a developer could ask for. New technology to play around with and lots of space to use. What more could you want? I'm also wondering how the battle will be between the Nintendo Wii, the Sony Playstation 3 and the Microsoft XBox 360. Who will win?

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07-08-2006, 12:32 AM	#2
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	if i could tell you that, i wouldn't be working.... wherever you go, there are sites making one company/product look bad. the ps3 happens to be the new big industry thing. whether it is fudsters, reviewers, or who knows, you can't trust anyone until you use the product. yeah, the price is high, but it does so much more. i remember reading an article on ps3land (i believe) that talked about the price of the system historically. given what was said, the ps3 was actually cheaper than previous products given inflation and what not (obviously, cant validate how accurate the article truly is). i personally dont see the ps3 being that expensive given the technology and everything else. how much was the ps2 back in '00? $300? $350? i dont remember honestly. that was six years ago. factor in things like inflation, economy and advancing technology and i really don't think it is expensive at all.

07-08-2006, 01:40 AM	#3
suprmallet Active Member Member since:Jun 2006 Blu-ray collection:264	I'll bet Nintendo will win for one big reason: The Wii will be an easy second choice console for both PS3 AND 360 owners. For a select few, it will be a first-choice console, but most people will buy a PS3 or 360, and since the prices on both are so high, they'll go for a Wii second instead of buying the other high-priced system. If Nintendo gets all the people buying both of the other systems, then they end up with the most system sales.

07-08-2006, 02:10 AM	#5
ProvenFlipper Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Home Theater Gallery:4 4K collection:335 Blu-ray collection:901 Trading Score:1	The PS3 will sell out first day without a doubt... Here are a few of the people who are going to help it out... 1. The person who is purchasing solely to make a profit selling the system second hand. 2. The hardcore gamer. 3. The people who want a Blu-ray player, yet don't want to shell out $1000+ to purchase a standalone player. 4. The person who has to have anything and everything technology related. 5. The person buying the PS3 purely off of hype. This is just a short and speculated list of the main people who are going to be purchasing the PS3 on the first day it releases. I will not be purchasing a PS3 because I have no time to really get into video games. But I do hope it does extremely well for sake of the BR community.

07-08-2006, 03:42 AM	#6
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	Quote "i remember reading an article on ps3land (i believe) that talked about the price of the system historically. given what was said, the ps3 was actually cheaper than previous products given inflation and what not." I read the same article so I know exactly what you mean. It's like this, "It's not what you pay, it what's you get out of what you pay." There is so much that you can do with the ps3, I think that what you can do justifies the price of it. I do wonder, since the ps3 will be easier to work with, if there will be any flopped games for the console in the console's lifecycle because there have been a lot of either flopped games or ones that just were'nt as good as they could have been for the ps2. I think that main reason why so many people are doubting the ps3, other then price, is because of the blu-ray drive, which at this time isn't very popular. Reguardless of everything that I have read, we should all believe postively in Sony because I think with a doubt, the ps3 will put Sony in first place although I could be wrong.

07-08-2006, 05:02 PM	#11
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	I've heard many people already say, "if they aren't adding HD or DD and all we're getting is a new controller...then aren't we just getting another cube with a new controller?" I love my DS-Lite, and it's probably the only place were my gaming dollars will continue to support nintendo. I can live without "Mario Galaxy"

07-08-2006, 06:13 PM	#12
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	Just to comment on a few things: I think that it's silly to have all three companies have the same kind of consoles. Both Microsoft and Sony are focused on high defination and Nintendo is doing things differently by making the Wii. Let me make a strong point. Nintendo's products have always been uniquie. The N64 alowed for true 3D, although Sony came up with the idea of 3D first. Next Nintendo make the Gamecube which was uniquie in it's own way because everything was small. Even though Sony later make the ps2, the only thing different about that was higher bits and a new color. Same idea with the XBox and now with the next generation, both the Xbox 360 and the ps3 focus on high defination, with the only difference being that the ps3 discs can hold more, but the same idea revolves around both systems which is the fact that we still use controllers. We have used controllers for 20 years. The whole point behind the Wii is that anyone can pick the remote and play, reguardless if the player has any experience or not. I doubt you can say the same thing with the Xbox 360 or the ps3. If you remember, Microsoft has console shortages on launch day, but console shortages are something that we want to avoid. I believe in Sony that they will have enough ps3's to hand out on launch date.

07-09-2006, 05:24 AM	#13
suprmallet Active Member Member since:Jun 2006 Blu-ray collection:264	Enough PS3's to hand out on the launch date? Huh? They already said there will be one million PS3's in America during the holidays. That's less than the amount of 360's in America during its launch. Expect even bigger shortages on this console than you saw on the 360.

07-09-2006, 05:35 AM	#14
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	I hate to disagree with you on the console shortage. I'm wondering how Sony will handle this. I'm wondering if they will fall in the same boat that Microsoft did when they launched the XBox 360. All I know is that Sony has a lot of good ps3 games coming out, a very impressive console to everybody to play and a lot of fans that don't want to be disapointed with a console shortage. I do want to bring up a strong point. A while back, on ign.com, they talked about why you should wait for a ps3 and one of the reasons was because Sony would have preorders so that on launch day, they would know how many consoles to ship out. Preorders would elimate the long lines that Microsoft had for the XBox 360. To agree with E3, Sony would need at least 2million preorders to ship 2 million consoles on launch day.

07-09-2006, 10:12 PM	#16
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	I need to ask what caused the console shortage with the XBox 360? Sony needs to avoid having a shortage. If they have enough materials to make ps3 consoles then there's no problem. To answer your question, Sony wants to ship two million consoles every month for six months I think so the only thing that would stop them from doing this would be not having enough parts to make the console, but the ps3 should be in the manufactoring stage at least by early november to meet the deadline. Preorders for everything should happen by September at the earliest. Sony has to avoid whatever Microsoft did to be successful.

07-10-2006, 03:12 AM	#18
suprmallet Active Member Member since:Jun 2006 Blu-ray collection:264	I said one million PS3's for America. They're doing a worldwide launch. Every territory is getting consoles at the same time. So if they're getting out six million by December, that's six million for the world. I'll have to do some article digging to get exact quotes.

07-10-2006, 03:45 AM	#19
Gamekid Power Member Member since:Feb 2006	I think that the only thing that Sony hasn't done is a global launch before, but I think that if anyone can do a global launch and avoid a console shortage at the same time, Sony can.

07-10-2006, 08:13 AM	#20
suprmallet Active Member Member since:Jun 2006 Blu-ray collection:264	Why do you have such blind faith in Sony? I would expect Nintendo to not have console shortages because it's easier to make a Wii than a PS3. If you really think you can walk into a retail store during launch week and just find PS3's shitting on the shelves waiting to be picked up, you will be sorely disappointed.

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