Does "THX-certified" matter for a Receiver?

[Sir Terrence]

Originally Posted by 4Dblu

THX is not marketing BS. what THX do is allow u to listen to the movie the way it was meant to be heard. like there logos says b4 the film starts. in simple terms its basically, a movie is being re-equalized and sound u may not hear b4 can b heard. example: on my THX laser disc Jarassic Park in the begining when the forklift is coming thru the trees u can hear the sound of the leafves very clear. compared to the crappy DD 5.1 dvd. the dvd sound more muted even tuned up high. also, compared my THX Predator laser to blu-ray and my laser still has a slight edge in sound but PQ is blu .

So much you don't know . Lets start with "listen to the movie the way it was meant to be heard" comment. If we are talking about intentions, movies were not meant to be heard in homes. They were meant to be heard in large theaters, with very large speakers, and a surround array. No decorrolating curcuits, no two dipole speakers or any other electronic manipulation can mimick the effect of 12-16 loudspeakers in a surround array. No three speakers with dual five inch mid/woofers can sound like a three speakers with 4 15" drivers, a horn mid and tweeter. No room as small as a hometheater can mimick the acoustics of a room 20 times larger. So there is no way going THX is going to allow you to "listen to the movie the way it was meant to be heard", which makes the statement BS. Beta man is right on this.

but, i don't fall for that THX stuff yea its looks nice but whatever no one is coming to my house saying is all ur equipment THX. i did noticed the Raiders/lost ark in THX but the sound track didn't stand out so.

Don't confuse the quality of a sound mix with a certification process. They are not the same.

u can always chk out there site THX.com. they have a clip showing u their process on film enhancement PQ & SQ and HT equipment.. no, THX certified is NOT thee all of all theres other equipment out that match and exceed THX standards..

If you want to be BS'ed to death, go to THX.com.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by Sir Terrence

Beta man is right on this.

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[Driver_King]

[alphadec]

can you please count how many films is using thx. ?

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by alphadec

can you please count how many films is using thx. ?

not sure..... but you need these....

http://www.costore.com/THX/producten...=87&pid=930793

that's for sure

[Alkali]

To answer concisely, no.

Don't buy the reciever for the THX badge, if it has one great, but you should be more concerned with auditioning amplifiers and choosing the correct one from your audition and your pocket, not on the strength of a badge.

[MieDan4ever]

Isnt THX also based on room size to make this work? A regular living room or bedroom wont do it.

[Sad Turtle]

My question is if you have a THX reciever don't you still need THX speakers to get the full effect? Are there THX speakers?

[pancho]

Well THX is NOT a marketing thing. It is a legit performance standard. Now your ears is the telltale sign though, everyone on here is right and yet wrong at the same time on this one. THX is just a reference for audio and now video also of what the guys at THX have determined to be superior. Again it's just what the boys at THX determine what superior is and isn't is all. Now in Wichita, KS there is a movie theater called Warren Theater that is hands down in my 39 years of life and seeing 100's of movies at 100 different movie theaters, the Warren which is all THX certified just makes watching a movie ANYWHERE else absolutely a disappointment. THX in a movie theater set up by certified THX people in an approved THX environment is by far superior on audio and video PERIOD. Now what that means to home audio depends on so many variables... who calibrated it, was that person a THX calibration expert or joe schmoe who "thinks" they know what calibration is and isn't. So in your home really THX doesnt matter unless everything is THX and you know how to properly set THX gear for your home, that's why, correctly, so many here are saying well I've heard THX gear and it doesnt sound as good as my blah blah blah. Well who set it up? Was it being listened to in a THX environment. When it comes to home THX your mearly just getting that if it's set up correctly to THX standards it will give you in THX opions a superior performance is all.

[4Dblu]

Originally Posted by Sir Terrence

So much you don't know . Lets start with "listen to the movie the way it was meant to be heard" comment. If we are talking about intentions, movies were not meant to be heard in homes. They were meant to be heard in large theaters, with very large speakers, and a surround array. No decorrolating curcuits, no two dipole speakers or any other electronic manipulation can mimick the effect of 12-16 loudspeakers in a surround array. No three speakers with dual five inch mid/woofers can sound like a three speakers with 4 15" drivers, a horn mid and tweeter. No room as small as a hometheater can mimick the acoustics of a room 20 times larger. So there is no way going THX is going to allow you to "listen to the movie the way it was meant to be heard", which makes the statement BS. Beta man is right on this.



Don't confuse the quality of a sound mix with a certification process. They are not the same.



If you want to be BS'ed to death, go to THX.com.

so sad, i don't know where u live but THX have classes all around the country. they were just in New York & New Jersey. i have known about THX since 1993 so i know what i'm talking about. don't confuse my words i didn't say anything about their certification i'm talking about their equalization for movies which they do for PQ and SQ.

and i didn't say THX was meant for the home either. it's their quote "watch and listen to movies the way they meant to heard." and if u listen to a regular movie than listen to the same movie in THX u will c and hear the difference. at the IMAX theater where i work at they have 2 THX houses that were design and set up by THX cerified techs. but i have one more better then that.

When IMAX was being built the same time the THX houses there was a BIG feud going on on who has the best set-up. i tell u if i could find the film that i recorded that day you'll b laughing ur ass off. come to think off it i going to try and find that film. to be honest IMAX system is way better cause IMAX speakers are all over the theater while THX speakers are the same as any theater just more speakers. i have pics of both systems so i'll try and post them soon.

[bluseminole]

Originally Posted by 4Dblu

so sad, i don't know where u live but THX have classes all around the country. they were just in New York & New Jersey. i have known about THX since 1993 so i know what i'm talking about. don't confuse my words i didn't say anything about their certification i'm talking about their equalization for movies which they do for PQ and SQ.

and i didn't say THX was meant for the home either. it's their quote "watch and listen to movies the way they meant to heard." and if u listen to a regular movie than listen to the same movie in THX u will c and hear the difference. at the IMAX theater where i work at they have 2 THX houses that were design and set up by THX cerified techs. but i have one more better then that.

When IMAX was being built the same time the THX houses there was a BIG feud going on on who has the best set-up. i tell u if i could find the film that i recorded that day you'll b laughing ur ass off. come to think off it i going to try and find that film. to be honest IMAX system is way better cause IMAX speakers are all over the theater while THX speakers are the same as any theater just more speakers. i have pics of both systems so i'll try and post them soon.

Sir Terrence is a highly respected and valued member on this forum. Know why? It has a lot to do with the fact that he is an insider in the audio industry, and happens to be an expert on sound technology/mixing.

I just thought it might be worth pointing out that you're arguing against someone who most certainly knows exactly what he is talking about. Aside from "knowing about" THX since 1993, what professional experience in the industry are you basing your observations on?

Now for my opinion: THX is a thing of the past. They had their place, but when their eyes got bigger then their brains as the cash started to flow, their standards dropped like a rock, and now all we have is the Bose of certification standards. Terminator 2 is the only THX-certified Blu-ray disc...yet it is so incredibly far from reference quality that its embarassing. Not to mention the vast majority of real high-end equipment is not even submitted for THX evaluation--I think that alone says something.

[JasonR]

Give me a good THX intro every once and a while, and I'm good.

There is a lot of equipment out there that isn't THX certified that sounds better than anything that is could ever hope to.

I think THX is a good standard to meet, but they should be testing every product if they want to be a QA standard.

[DBlackGT]

Originally Posted by bluseminole

Now for my opinion: THX is a thing of the past. They had their place, but when their eyes got bigger then their brains as the cash started to flow, their standards dropped like a rock, and now all we have is the Bose of certification standards. Terminator 2 is the only THX-certified Blu-ray disc...yet it is so incredibly far from reference quality that its embarassing. Not to mention the vast majority of real high-end equipment is not even submitted for THX evaluation--I think that alone says something.

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Crystal Skull is THX certified and if Im not mistaken so is Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And both of those films especially Indiana look and sound fantastic!

[blu_world]

Thank you


this has a lot of useful information



THX - thing of the past,watered down years after,Adding More Cost then what your already paying for.



and it Looks like A lot of the Company's would Either put More of there Money In there Own Product then get A little THX stamp to show there product Works with the Scam of being "THX-certified"


interesting Post here,Should have had something like this asked here In a Home Audio Magazine and Get the word out that this whole THX thing isn't a real thing to worry about when purchasing your next Receiver.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by blu_world

Should have had something like this asked here In a Home Audio Magazine and Get the word out that this whole THX thing isn't a real thing to worry about when purchasing your next Receiver.

THX studios etc.... is usually a big sponsor of those magazines. They don't want to lose all of that money!!!!

they'll let Bose run full-page-color ads!!

[4Dblu]

Originally Posted by bluseminole

Sir Terrence is a highly respected and valued member on this forum. Know why? It has a lot to do with the fact that he is an insider in the audio industry, and happens to be an expert on sound technology/mixing.

I just thought it might be worth pointing out that you're arguing against someone who most certainly knows exactly what he is talking about. Aside from "knowing about" THX since 1993, what professional experience in the industry are you basing your observations on?

Now for my opinion: THX is a thing of the past. They had their place, but when their eyes got bigger then their brains as the cash started to flow, their standards dropped like a rock, and now all we have is the Bose of certification standards. Terminator 2 is the only THX-certified Blu-ray disc...yet it is so incredibly far from reference quality that its embarassing. Not to mention the vast majority of real high-end equipment is not even submitted for THX evaluation--I think that alone says something.

naw, i'm not arguing i'm just stating my opinion just because he is an insider in the audio industry doesn't mean he's is the know all is all. i'm quite sure he's knows a lot and i can learn from him just like he can learn from me. i just know what i know and its not wrong. i also know that THX is working on a 8.2 and 11.2 system for the home. which to me seems overkill unless ur rich with a lot of unuse space. i heard the 11.2 system and saw the equipment sound amazing but NO. its very easy to not know something like "T2 is the only THX Blu-ray." and i stated in my earlier statement that Raiders/Lost Ark was THX and u missed that. but, its all good its alot of peeps on this forum and everybody knows more than someone else, but it can never b one person who knows more than everybody and we all should focus on just one opinion. thats y its called a forum of discussion can say what they and learn from others.

[bluseminole]

Originally Posted by DBlackGT

Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of Crystal Skull is THX certified and if Im not mistaken so is Close Encounters of the Third Kind. And both of those films especially Indiana look and sound fantastic!

Originally Posted by 4Dblu

its very easy to not know something like "T2 is the only THX Blu-ray." and i stated in my earlier statement that Raiders/Lost Ark was THX and u missed that.

My mistake . Looks like my information was outdated by about a year. I should've known about Indy, what with George's involvement.

The point I was making still stands, though: THX has put their badge on many shameful products.

[RubberDucky]

Originally Posted by Driver_King

The thing is, most people know what THX is. Not so much Monster...

I Disagree more electronic consumers prob know more about monster cables then thx when ever you go to buy something from bb or any electronic store the idiot sales rep always talk about how much better it is to have monster cables I have gone to stores to buy receivers and I think maybe once someone has mentioned thx certified

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

In my opinion, it's all marketing B.S., and many many many of the best pieces of audio equipment and speakers aren't "THX CERTIFIED"

I agree with this 100%. If I buy a piece of equipment that's THX certified, fine, but I would prefer not to have to pay the extra money because it's been certified.

Originally Posted by 4Dblu

THX is not marketing BS. what THX do is allow u to listen to the movie the way it was meant to be heard.

I don't agree with this at all. If you're applying any special listening modes (such as THX processing), then you're altering the soundtrack from the original. They don't create these soundtracks in the studios, and anticipate that you'll listen at home with THX equipment applying its proprietary processing to make it sound the way they want it to. To hear it the way it was meant to be heard means hearing it with no "extra" processing at all.

Just my ¢2.

[mx2004]

I'm a THX owner (THX Ultra Denon AVC-A1D) - THX post-processing has been brilliant (for me) with older or brittle sounding soundtracks (VHS, TV-based stereo and those lousy DD 2.0 soundtracks on DVDs), anything modern is best put through with no processing at all. That said, being lazy, I have tended to use THX for movies & TV material, no THX for music (concerts, operas etc) - I quite enjoy that my system has two 'characters' - a bit lush with THX, a tad more zing with music. Now, any DSP modes on your receiver or indeed something like Audyssey is going to be at least as much a departure from the original soundtrack as THX is.

My amplifier is rapidly approaching a decade old, and has shown exceptional stability and reliability. I tend to think this has more to do with it being a Denon and built like a battleship, rather than anything to do with THX though.

Many people will tell you what you should do, dictate the correct way to watch and listen to movies. Listen, compare and, if you like it - buy it. That simple.