Upscaling dvd's to HD - Blu-ray Forum

Swift1246 · 11-19-2008, 07:52 PM

Hey, I've always wondered about this, and have searched for an answer and couldn't find one. Could someone explain to me how upscaling dvds works. I have a PS3 and about 12 blu-rays and a ton of dvds. When the PS3 upscales the dvds, what exactly does that mean? Does that make them hi-def, 1080p, as good as blu-ray quality? I never really understood that. Some clarity would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

RIPSeanTaylor21 · 11-19-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Swift1246

Hey, I've always wondered about this, and have searched for an answer and couldn't find one. Could someone explain to me how upscaling dvds works. I have a PS3 and about 12 blu-rays and a ton of dvds. When the PS3 upscales the dvds, what exactly does that mean? Does that make them hi-def, 1080p, as good as blu-ray quality? I never really understood that. Some clarity would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

NO IT WONT GIVE YOU a 1080p REsolution but it tries to transfer at a 1080p Signal to ultimately upconvert the pq, or something like that

kpkelley · 11-19-2008, 07:59 PM

They use algorithms to make educated guesses as to what compromises the additional pixels. Some of these methods are better than others.

prankster · 11-19-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Swift1246

Hey, I've always wondered about this, and have searched for an answer and couldn't find one. Could someone explain to me how upscaling dvds works. I have a PS3 and about 12 blu-rays and a ton of dvds. When the PS3 upscales the dvds, what exactly does that mean? Does that make them hi-def, 1080p, as good as blu-ray quality? I never really understood that. Some clarity would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

the resolution will be upscaled to 1080p but remember that it is impossible to and does not add additional detail to the picture (e.g. threading on clothes, skin pores, etc.).
so, the resolution will be the same as a blu-ray disc but the picture quality won't even be close.

Midnightsailor · 11-20-2008, 07:02 AM

Yeah... upscaling doesn't compare. I've gotten pretty decent results, but Blu-ray always wins in the end though.

SkillzthatKillz · 11-20-2008, 08:10 AM

when a player is upscaling a DVD it is basically taking the available pixels from the DVD and guessing what should go next to them in order to fill the screen. some players use different methods and will therefore give you better results in upscaling your DVD's, for example i have heard that Oppo makes a mean upscaling DVD player. however, the best result that upscaling a DVD will give you is that it will properly fill your screen without blurring and looking like a YouTube video does when you stretch it to full screen. with Blu-ray, you get a true HD picture and much higher levels of detail because the source (Blu-ray) is 1080p and it has a higher bitrate (more Megabyte's per second). So definately go with Blu-ray if you wanna take full advantage of your HDTV, as DVD will just look ok

TheTenth · 11-20-2008, 05:44 PM

Upscaling should be understood as "DVD was not made to be watched on a HD TV, so upscaling makes the DVD signal a bit better so you can watch it on a HD TV"

andyman1970 · 11-20-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by prankster

the resolution will be upscaled to 1080p but remember that it is impossible to and does not add additional detail to the picture (e.g. threading on clothes, skin pores, etc.).
so, the resolution will be the same as a blu-ray disc but the picture quality won't even be close.

Yea, I bet there are a lot of stars in Hollywood who hate Blu-ray, especially females, because often times you can see just how much make-up they have caked on, not to mention their little facial flaws that would otherwise go unnoticed.

Afrobean · 11-20-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by andyman1970

Yea, I bet there are a lot of stars in Hollywood who hate Blu-ray, especially females, because often times you can see just how much make-up they have caked on, not to mention their little facial flaws that would otherwise go unnoticed.

If such things were noticeable, they'd be on the master film and would have been seen when the film was in theatres anyway.

Marquoz · 11-20-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by andyman1970

Yea, I bet there are a lot of stars in Hollywood who hate Blu-ray, especially females, because often times you can see just how much make-up they have caked on, not to mention their little facial flaws that would otherwise go unnoticed.

That's where Blu make-up comes in!

prankster · 11-20-2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by andyman1970

Yea, I bet there are a lot of stars in Hollywood who hate Blu-ray, especially females, because often times you can see just how much make-up they have caked on, not to mention their little facial flaws that would otherwise go unnoticed.

yeah, i remember when hdtvs first came out on the market, the news anchors looked like monsters. apparently they had to change their make-up.

Midnightsailor · 11-20-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by prankster

yeah, i remember when hdtvs first came out on the market, the news anchors looked like monsters. apparently they had to change their make-up.

lol I thought this, too.

Dalese · 11-21-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SkillzthatKillz

when a player is upscaling a DVD it is basically taking the available pixels from the DVD and guessing what should go next to them in order to fill the screen. some players use different methods and will therefore give you better results in upscaling your DVD's, for example i have heard that Oppo makes a mean upscaling DVD player. however, the best result that upscaling a DVD will give you is that it will properly fill your screen without blurring and looking like a YouTube video does when you stretch it to full screen. with Blu-ray, you get a true HD picture and much higher levels of detail because the source (Blu-ray) is 1080p and it has a higher bitrate (more Megabyte's per second). So definately go with Blu-ray if you wanna take full advantage of your HDTV, as DVD will just look ok

Standard Definition = 345,600 pixals
1080 High Definition = 2,073,600 pixals

No amount of algorithms, guessing, or press releases from Toshiba that upscaling is as good as HD can make up for six times the video data.

Grubert · 11-21-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Swift1246

Hey, I've always wondered about this, and have searched for an answer and couldn't find one. Could someone explain to me how upscaling dvds works. I have a PS3 and about 12 blu-rays and a ton of dvds. When the PS3 upscales the dvds, what exactly does that mean? Does that make them hi-def, 1080p, as good as blu-ray quality? I never really understood that. Some clarity would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

It's like Photoshop.

You can take a VGA picture and resize it to 5 megapixels. But you aren't creating any new information, merely smoothing out the edges. For actual resolution improvement, you have to take a native 5 megapixel picture.

stevensiu · 11-21-2008, 02:27 PM

I have a lot of different regions DVD at home. Will blu ray player play all regions DVD?

Beta Man · 11-21-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stevensiu

I have a lot of different regions DVD at home. Will blu ray player play all regions DVD?

You should start a thread and ask..... but I'm not positive, but I think some will. some won't, what player do you have?

kefrank · 11-21-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Beta Man

You should start a thread and ask..... but I'm not positive, but I think some will. some won't, what player do you have?

The only player I know of that can play DVDs from any region is the LG BH200 combo player. There may be others now though. I haven't really kept up with that.

Alan A · 11-24-2008, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Swift1246

Hey, I've always wondered about this, and have searched for an answer and couldn't find one. Could someone explain to me how upscaling dvds works. I have a PS3 and about 12 blu-rays and a ton of dvds. When the PS3 upscales the dvds, what exactly does that mean? Does that make them hi-def, 1080p, as good as blu-ray quality? I never really understood that. Some clarity would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

up-converting a dvd is the same as taking a turd and spraying it with perfume
and saying how nice it smells, you take the 480 lines of resolution and keep repeating till you get up to 1080 lines of resolution, is it better of course not but it's better than nothing for things that were never recorded in HD

kefrank · 11-24-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan A

you take the 480 lines of resolution and keep repeating till you get up to 1080 lines of resolution

not really. i don't know of any upconverting technology that merely repeats scan lines.

Grand Bob · 11-24-2008, 06:04 PM

Until all DVD's become available as blu-rays, a good upconverting player is necessary to get the most out of DVD's. Someone mentioned the Oppo as a choice. I have a Toshiba XA2 (primarily use was as a "dreaded" HD-DVD player), which uses the Silicon Optix HQV chip to upconvert standard DVD's. From what I understand, it takes each pixel from a DVD, takes a look at the nearest 1024 pixels surrounding it, and interpolates how the pixels would appear on an HD display. I can tell you that it works pretty well. No, it does not make DVD's "blu-ray" quality, but it a big improvement. Samsung has the HQV chip in their (2550?) player. And until Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc. are released on blu-ray, it is the best option available.

11-19-2008, 07:52 PM	#1
Swift1246 Active Member Member since:Jun 2008 Location:San Antonio, TX 4K collection:276 Blu-ray collection:1026 DVD collection:5 Trading Score:7	Upscaling dvd's to HD Hey, I've always wondered about this, and have searched for an answer and couldn't find one. Could someone explain to me how upscaling dvds works. I have a PS3 and about 12 blu-rays and a ton of dvds. When the PS3 upscales the dvds, what exactly does that mean? Does that make them hi-def, 1080p, as good as blu-ray quality? I never really understood that. Some clarity would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

11-21-2008, 02:27 PM	#15
stevensiu New Member Member since:Nov 2008	Does blu ray players plays different regions DVD I have a lot of different regions DVD at home. Will blu ray player play all regions DVD?

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kpkelley Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Framingham, MA 4K collection:385 Blu-ray collection:2478 Digital collection:113 Blu-ray reviews: 152	They use algorithms to make educated guesses as to what compromises the additional pixels. Some of these methods are better than others.

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Midnightsailor Special Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Los Angeles, CA Blu-ray collection:32 Blu-ray reviews:1	Yeah... upscaling doesn't compare. I've gotten pretty decent results, but Blu-ray always wins in the end though.

11-20-2008, 08:10 AM	#6
SkillzthatKillz Special Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Cincinnati, OH Blu-ray collection:214 DVD collection:2 Trading Score:1	when a player is upscaling a DVD it is basically taking the available pixels from the DVD and guessing what should go next to them in order to fill the screen. some players use different methods and will therefore give you better results in upscaling your DVD's, for example i have heard that Oppo makes a mean upscaling DVD player. however, the best result that upscaling a DVD will give you is that it will properly fill your screen without blurring and looking like a YouTube video does when you stretch it to full screen. with Blu-ray, you get a true HD picture and much higher levels of detail because the source (Blu-ray) is 1080p and it has a higher bitrate (more Megabyte's per second). So definately go with Blu-ray if you wanna take full advantage of your HDTV, as DVD will just look ok

11-20-2008, 05:44 PM	#7
TheTenth Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Clermont-Ferrand, France Home Theater Gallery:9 4K collection:98 Blu-ray collection:681 DVD collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:11	Upscaling should be understood as "DVD was not made to be watched on a HD TV, so upscaling makes the DVD signal a bit better so you can watch it on a HD TV"

11-24-2008, 06:04 PM	#20
Grand Bob Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Seattle Area Home Theater Gallery:9 Blu-ray reviews:1	Until all DVD's become available as blu-rays, a good upconverting player is necessary to get the most out of DVD's. Someone mentioned the Oppo as a choice. I have a Toshiba XA2 (primarily use was as a "dreaded" HD-DVD player), which uses the Silicon Optix HQV chip to upconvert standard DVD's. From what I understand, it takes each pixel from a DVD, takes a look at the nearest 1024 pixels surrounding it, and interpolates how the pixels would appear on an HD display. I can tell you that it works pretty well. No, it does not make DVD's "blu-ray" quality, but it a big improvement. Samsung has the HQV chip in their (2550?) player. And until Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc. are released on blu-ray, it is the best option available.

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